SSHoya
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Post by SSHoya on May 19, 2022 16:02:57 GMT -5
Heraclitus said, "You cannot step into the same river twice, for other waters are continually flowing on."
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Wahab
May 19, 2022 16:16:20 GMT -5
Post by hoyalove4ever on May 19, 2022 16:16:20 GMT -5
POST OF THE YEAR!!!
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Wahab
May 19, 2022 21:35:32 GMT -5
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Post by DownTownJoeyBrown on May 19, 2022 21:35:32 GMT -5
Maryland fans and insiders seem to think he’s returning to Georgetown. More info (rumors) please. I’m all for second chances and I’d personally welcome him back at this point in the game. A better stretch shooting, pick and roll defender would have been great, but Q provides skill and needed depth at the 5 and I think makes us a legit tourney threat. Would have been nice to see more small ball though. You would have to figure with Ryan and Q on the team a true five is on the court for 35 mins a game.
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Wahab
May 20, 2022 8:52:26 GMT -5
Post by wyattrox on May 20, 2022 8:52:26 GMT -5
Maryland fans and insiders seem to think he’s returning to Georgetown. Is this the 247 information from their UMD writers?
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on May 20, 2022 9:53:52 GMT -5
I would welcome him back. While I don't love Ewing's style of focusing attention on the big/post, if Ewing is going to do that, we aren't going to get anybody better than Wahab in that role. And, while people piled on Wahab for his defense, without him, our defense got a lot worse.
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Post by professorhoya on May 20, 2022 10:04:54 GMT -5
I would welcome him back. While I don't love Ewing's style of focusing attention on the big/post, if Ewing is going to do that, we aren't going to get anybody better than Wahab in that role. And, while people piled on Wahab for his defense, without him, our defense got a lot worse. Both teams in the national championship game (Baycot and David McCormack) we’re exclusive low post guys who didn’t shoot threes, pass or dribble drive.
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prhoya
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Post by prhoya on May 20, 2022 10:04:57 GMT -5
I would welcome him back. While I don't love Ewing's style of focusing attention on the big/post, if Ewing is going to do that, we aren't going to get anybody better than Wahab in that role. And, while people piled on Wahab for his defense, without him, our defense got a lot worse. Are there any other proven alternatives? If not, take him. I’m always surprised how unattractive Pat is as a coach to his big recruiting targets. Hopefully Nickelberry can help him and Akok stays healthy.
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Post by Retro_hoya on May 20, 2022 10:20:50 GMT -5
I would be excited about Q coming back. Duval Simmons (or is it Simmonds?) poor advice and pressure likely led to the exit or maybe Q wasn’t happy at the time. Either way - if he wants to be here, he’s welcome back in my book! As a student during the BE run, you gotta appreciate the impact of Q. And he was only a sophomore - people will say he didn’t develop at all since then but it’s also not too late to commit to learning new skills - passing out of the post, a shot a little bit away from the basket, etc.
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conshyhoya
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Post by conshyhoya on May 20, 2022 10:43:54 GMT -5
I would welcome him back. While I don't love Ewing's style of focusing attention on the big/post, if Ewing is going to do that, we aren't going to get anybody better than Wahab in that role. And, while people piled on Wahab for his defense, without him, our defense got a lot worse. Are there any other proven alternatives? If not, take him. I’m always surprised how unattractive Pat is as a coach to his big recruiting targets. Hopefully Nickelberry can help him and Akok stays healthy. A few depending who stays in the Draft and who returns and picks a new school. Efe and Gueye both from WSU but we weren't listed as someone in the hunt for Efe at least. Gueye I haven't seen anything on. Out of all the realistic players he is probably the best left but there are definitely a handful if they return to college I would prefer over him.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on May 20, 2022 10:48:37 GMT -5
I would welcome him back. While I don't love Ewing's style of focusing attention on the big/post, if Ewing is going to do that, we aren't going to get anybody better than Wahab in that role. And, while people piled on Wahab for his defense, without him, our defense got a lot worse. Both teams in the national championship game (Baycot and David McCormack) we’re exclusive low post guys who didn’t shoot threes, pass or dribble drive. Yes, that's right. I know I probably give off the perception that I don't think bigs are useful, but I do think that in the college game, that high efficiency bigs like Baycot and McCormack are very useful. Wahab, I think, fits into that category. My problem isn't that Wahab plays in the low post, I just don't like an offensive scheme that is premised on that as the primary option or a main option. Based on the roster composition, as it currently stands, if Wahab were to return, I do think he'd be surrounded by better shooters than we had when he left the team, and I think having better guards would help Wahab out, and spread the offense a bit better than when Wahab was previously with Georgetown. As I said, he's clearly the best center we are going to get, Akok is really more of a 4 than a 5, and so I think it's really a no brainer for Wahab to come back. I really do not harbor ill will against Wahab at all. He played really hard, we would not have won the BET in 2021 without him, and I assume he made the move to Maryland because his handler or others convinced him it was for the better. If he now realizes that he made a mistake, and is willing to come back, I think both Ewing and Wahab need to swallow any pride/awkwardness associated with him coming back. I think this is an instance where it's a win-win for both Ewing and Wahab.
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calhoya
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Post by calhoya on May 20, 2022 11:06:30 GMT -5
Passing and ball movement is a challenge for Ewing's recent teams with and without Wahab. My only concern with bringing him back at this late time is not wanting to see another player lose a spot on the roster. I know there are rumors about someone else leaving and since it is Georgetown we only have rumors, but at this point with a full roster I do not feel comfortable forcing someone off the roster for someone who chose to leave a year ago.
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Post by DownTownJoeyBrown on May 20, 2022 11:43:51 GMT -5
Passing and ball movement is a challenge for Ewing's recent teams with and without Wahab. My only concern with bringing him back at this late time is not wanting to see another player lose a spot on the roster. I know there are rumors about someone else leaving and since it is Georgetown we only have rumors, but at this point with a full roster I do not feel comfortable forcing someone off the roster for someone who chose to leave a year ago. Is there any decent evidence at this point that Ewing forced or would force anyone out? If not, why don’t we just assume the best and if Wahab were to come it’s because a scholarship opens up due to a mutual agreement or, as others have cited, perhaps we have some good knowledge that the scholarship limit will be removed entirely
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iowa80
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Post by iowa80 on May 20, 2022 12:01:38 GMT -5
Passing and ball movement is a challenge for Ewing's recent teams with and without Wahab. My only concern with bringing him back at this late time is not wanting to see another player lose a spot on the roster. I know there are rumors about someone else leaving and since it is Georgetown we only have rumors, but at this point with a full roster I do not feel comfortable forcing someone off the roster for someone who chose to leave a year ago. Is there any decent evidence at this point that Ewing forced or would force anyone out? If not, why don’t we just assume the best and if Wahab were to come it’s because a scholarship opens up due to a mutual agreement or, as others have cited, perhaps we have some good knowledge that the scholarship limit will be removed entirely That’s reasonable, but it’s also reasonable to assume, without word from the program, that a player expected to be on the roster is on the roster. At this late date, if the player has other plans, the usual silence serves no purpose but to fuel speculation. My assumption is that those listed on the main page are on the team—hence no remaining scholys. If, like magic, Q arrives and someone else “decides to move on,” the conclusion that will be drawn should not surprise.
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hoyazeke
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Post by hoyazeke on May 20, 2022 12:21:47 GMT -5
So if this actually happens do we give him a new welcome thread of do we dig up the old one? LOL
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calhoya
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Wahab
May 20, 2022 12:50:35 GMT -5
Post by calhoya on May 20, 2022 12:50:35 GMT -5
Passing and ball movement is a challenge for Ewing's recent teams with and without Wahab. My only concern with bringing him back at this late time is not wanting to see another player lose a spot on the roster. I know there are rumors about someone else leaving and since it is Georgetown we only have rumors, but at this point with a full roster I do not feel comfortable forcing someone off the roster for someone who chose to leave a year ago. Is there any decent evidence at this point that Ewing forced or would force anyone out? If not, why don’t we just assume the best and if Wahab were to come it’s because a scholarship opens up due to a mutual agreement or, as others have cited, perhaps we have some good knowledge that the scholarship limit will be removed entirely As usual, there is no evidence of anything either way. Not assuming the worst or the best, but as I said, my only concern with Wahab coming, "assuming" he wants to and is wanted is that it should not be at the expense of another player. If it is not then great.
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Post by DownTownJoeyBrown on May 20, 2022 13:26:01 GMT -5
Is there any decent evidence at this point that Ewing forced or would force anyone out? If not, why don’t we just assume the best and if Wahab were to come it’s because a scholarship opens up due to a mutual agreement or, as others have cited, perhaps we have some good knowledge that the scholarship limit will be removed entirely As usual, there is no evidence of anything either way. Not assuming the worst or the best, but as I said, my only concern with Wahab coming, "assuming" he wants to and is wanted is that it should not be at the expense of another player. If it is not then great. Fair enough to both you and Iowa80. I agree that it's not the right way to run the team and treat loyal players
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Post by FrazierFanatic on May 20, 2022 14:12:07 GMT -5
So if this actually happens do we give him a new welcome thread of do we dig up the old one? LOL A Welcome Back thread of course!
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Post by hoyalove4ever on May 20, 2022 14:28:37 GMT -5
With ample references to Heraclitus...
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hoyarooter
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Post by hoyarooter on May 20, 2022 18:35:50 GMT -5
Maryland fans and insiders seem to think he’s returning to Georgetown. More info (rumors) please. I’m all for second chances and I’d personally welcome him back at this point in the game. A better stretch shooting, pick and roll defender would have been great, but Q provides skill and needed depth at the 5 and I think makes us a legit tourney threat. Would have been nice to see more small ball though. You would have to figure with Ryan and Q on the team a true five is on the court for 35 mins a game. A legit tourney threat? I'm more inclined to think that adding Doncic and Jokic MIGHT make us a legit tourney threat.
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hoyaroc
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Wahab
May 20, 2022 21:06:25 GMT -5
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Post by hoyaroc on May 20, 2022 21:06:25 GMT -5
Do anyone know if Wahab really wants to rejoin the Hoyas team? There’s a lot of speculation about the UMD fans saying they believe Wahab will return to Georgetown.
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