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Post by professorhoya on Feb 23, 2023 21:29:15 GMT -5
His stats are actually better and his percentages are almost identical. www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/stats/_/id/4684166/brandon-murrayThe common factor at LSU and here is Nickleberry. It does not seem that Nickleberry can reign him in or control him from being out of control or taking ownership. This is why it doesn’t matter who the coach is next year. We need to get rid of him. For what it's worth, advanced stats do show that Murray was a good bit better last year. His offensive efficiency at LSU was 102.6, this year it is 93.7. That's a huge difference. He shot twos last year at 48.8%, declined to 44.2% this year. His three point shooting is largely the same (33%), though slightly better last year. The fact that he takes so many long twos, like Spears, basically makes it impossible for him to be efficient. I am sure long-time fans remember Mikael Hopkins, and the fact that he struggled mightily to finish at the rim or score at all. His efficiency his last two years was 92.3 and 92.9. So basically, Murray's efficiency is that of Mikael Hopkins. Yet, Hopkins was a big, and Murray is supposed to be our star. At least Hopkins was an excellent defender and always had a good attitude and motor. Murray doesn't share those attributes. Curious what was Lubicks efficiency. Do the advanced analytics account for him being scared to shoot and not shooting at all (and making it 4-5 on offense) or is he considered efficient because he had high fg% and assists.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Feb 23, 2023 22:45:56 GMT -5
For what it's worth, advanced stats do show that Murray was a good bit better last year. His offensive efficiency at LSU was 102.6, this year it is 93.7. That's a huge difference. He shot twos last year at 48.8%, declined to 44.2% this year. His three point shooting is largely the same (33%), though slightly better last year. The fact that he takes so many long twos, like Spears, basically makes it impossible for him to be efficient. I am sure long-time fans remember Mikael Hopkins, and the fact that he struggled mightily to finish at the rim or score at all. His efficiency his last two years was 92.3 and 92.9. So basically, Murray's efficiency is that of Mikael Hopkins. Yet, Hopkins was a big, and Murray is supposed to be our star. At least Hopkins was an excellent defender and always had a good attitude and motor. Murray doesn't share those attributes. Curious what was Lubicks efficiency. Do the advanced analytics account for him being scared to shoot and not shooting at all (and making it 4-5 on offense) or is he considered efficient because he had high fg% and assists. From freshman year to senior year: 108.9, 109.4, 104.4, and 106.7. His usage was very low though and he took few shots. Murray’s usage is significantly higher. I’m sure if Lubick took as many shots a Murray he would have been less efficient but that’s part of the point. Murray takes a lot of really bad shots. If he chose better and took fewer shots, but better ones, he’d almost certainly be more efficient. They are kind of the extremes. Lubick took too few shots (to be fair he played with some pretty good offensive players like Porter, which was also part of it), whereas Murray shoots too much and takes bad shots on top of it. At LSU, Murray’s usage was lower and efficiency higher.
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Post by professorhoya on Feb 23, 2023 22:52:52 GMT -5
Curious what was Lubicks efficiency. Do the advanced analytics account for him being scared to shoot and not shooting at all (and making it 4-5 on offense) or is he considered efficient because he had high fg% and assists. From freshman year to senior year: 108.9, 109.4, 104.4, and 106.7. His usage was very low though and he took few shots. Murray’s usage is significantly higher. I’m sure if Lubick took as many shots a Murray he would have been less efficient but that’s part of the point. Murray takes a lot of really bad shots. If he chose better and took fewer shots, but better ones, he’d almost certainly be more efficient. They are kind of the extremes. Lubick took too few shots (to be fair he played with some pretty good offensive players like Porter, which was also part of it), whereas Murray shoots too much and takes bad shots on top of it. At LSU, Murray’s usage was lower and efficiency higher. Is there a stat for usage times efficiency? I don’t know if that would completely take care of the problem but it would take care of someone like Lubick who looks good on paper. By his senior year people figured out that he was afraid to shoot and so we’re playing off him and doubling others since he wasn’t going to shoot from outside but was only going to pass.
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Post by miracles87 on Feb 23, 2023 23:29:32 GMT -5
Dang, I know last night was a mess, but Brandon fought hard, and really rallied the team from way back to the cusp of victory. I was there, and he was fun to watch.
All of these personal attacks on Brandon, people who don't "enjoy" watching him, say he's got no heart, he's unlikeable, say they won't miss him when he's gone, such loser talk, pathetic. Make no mistake, it doesn't matter if you are an alum, or if you have season tickets, or even if you have the wherewithal to contribute financially to Georgetown, you are not entitled to belittle Brandon Murray on HoyaTalk. Even if any of what people say when they throw their little tantrums was true, which it isn't, you should know better, you should hold yourself to a higher standard than a colicky 6 month old.
And please, spare me the "when Georgetown wins again I will stop being a miserable sack of *&%*" nonsense, no one with any sense would want to be on an elevator when it breaks down with any of you, let alone a foxhole, what a bunch of slope shouldered spineless pieces of luggage, embarrassing.
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Post by 617hoya on Feb 24, 2023 1:41:40 GMT -5
Dang, I know last night was a mess, but Brandon fought hard, and really rallied the team from way back to the cusp of victory. I was there, and he was fun to watch. All of these personal attacks on Brandon, people who don't "enjoy" watching him, say he's got no heart, he's unlikeable, say they won't miss him when he's gone, such loser talk, pathetic. Make no mistake, it doesn't matter if you are an alum, or if you have season tickets, or even if you have the wherewithal to contribute financially to Georgetown, you are not entitled to belittle Brandon Murray on HoyaTalk. Even if any of what people say when they throw their little tantrums was true, which it isn't, you should know better, you should hold yourself to a higher standard than a colicky 6 month old. And please, spare me the "when Georgetown wins again I will stop being a miserable sack of *&%*" nonsense, no one with any sense would want to be on an elevator when it breaks down with any of you, let alone a foxhole, what a bunch of slope shouldered spineless pieces of luggage, embarrassing. I enjoy the irony of someone making personal attacks on other posters after lamenting earlier in the same post about personal attacks being made on a player.
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Post by hoyaroc on Feb 24, 2023 9:01:36 GMT -5
Dang, I know last night was a mess, but Brandon fought hard, and really rallied the team from way back to the cusp of victory. I was there, and he was fun to watch. All of these personal attacks on Brandon, people who don't "enjoy" watching him, say he's got no heart, he's unlikeable, say they won't miss him when he's gone, such loser talk, pathetic. Make no mistake, it doesn't matter if you are an alum, or if you have season tickets, or even if you have the wherewithal to contribute financially to Georgetown, you are not entitled to belittle Brandon Murray on HoyaTalk. Even if any of what people say when they throw their little tantrums was true, which it isn't, you should know better, you should hold yourself to a higher standard than a colicky 6 month old. And please, spare me the "when Georgetown wins again I will stop being a miserable sack of *&%*" nonsense, no one with any sense would want to be on an elevator when it breaks down with any of you, let alone a foxhole, what a bunch of slope shouldered spineless pieces of luggage, embarrassing. Brandon played well I was happy to see the kid play with a sense urgency.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Feb 24, 2023 9:02:11 GMT -5
Dang, I know last night was a mess, but Brandon fought hard, and really rallied the team from way back to the cusp of victory. I was there, and he was fun to watch. All of these personal attacks on Brandon, people who don't "enjoy" watching him, say he's got no heart, he's unlikeable, say they won't miss him when he's gone, such loser talk, pathetic. Make no mistake, it doesn't matter if you are an alum, or if you have season tickets, or even if you have the wherewithal to contribute financially to Georgetown, you are not entitled to belittle Brandon Murray on HoyaTalk. Even if any of what people say when they throw their little tantrums was true, which it isn't, you should know better, you should hold yourself to a higher standard than a colicky 6 month old. And please, spare me the "when Georgetown wins again I will stop being a miserable sack of *&%*" nonsense, no one with any sense would want to be on an elevator when it breaks down with any of you, let alone a foxhole, what a bunch of slope shouldered spineless pieces of luggage, embarrassing. Miracles, generally in the past I would have agreed with you but my tolerance has changed. What has changed is these kids no longer are committed to getting a degree. They are no longer committed to development, constructive criticism, and most importantly, coaching. Now maybe Brandon is being unfairly lumped in with the masses of players that preceded him who fit my definition. If so, I apologize to Brandon. I really hope he is open to coaching, he is open to bettering himself and getting a degree for his efforts at Georgetown. Unfortunately, with past as prologue, my suspicion is he is more like James Akinjo then Jahvon Blair. More like Josh LeBlanc then Malcolm Wilson, More like Galen Alexander then Jagan Mosely, more like Tre King then DSR, more like Qudus Wahab then Roy Hibbert. You get my point. Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me. I for one, am not going to be fooled again. From what he shows on the court time and again, he isn't being coached up and isn't improving. Either that's on the coach or the player but it is untenable.
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Post by professorhoya on Feb 24, 2023 9:12:49 GMT -5
Dang, I know last night was a mess, but Brandon fought hard, and really rallied the team from way back to the cusp of victory. I was there, and he was fun to watch. All of these personal attacks on Brandon, people who don't "enjoy" watching him, say he's got no heart, he's unlikeable, say they won't miss him when he's gone, such loser talk, pathetic. Make no mistake, it doesn't matter if you are an alum, or if you have season tickets, or even if you have the wherewithal to contribute financially to Georgetown, you are not entitled to belittle Brandon Murray on HoyaTalk. Even if any of what people say when they throw their little tantrums was true, which it isn't, you should know better, you should hold yourself to a higher standard than a colicky 6 month old. And please, spare me the "when Georgetown wins again I will stop being a miserable sack of *&%*" nonsense, no one with any sense would want to be on an elevator when it breaks down with any of you, let alone a foxhole, what a bunch of slope shouldered spineless pieces of luggage, embarrassing. Miracles, generally in the past I would have agreed with you but my tolerance has changed. What has changed is these kids no longer are committed to getting a degree. They are no longer committed to development, constructive criticism, and most importantly, coaching. Now maybe Brandon is being unfairly lumped in with the masses of players that preceded him who fit my definition. If so, I apologize to Brandon. I really hope he is open to coaching, he is open to bettering himself and getting a degree for his efforts at Georgetown. Unfortunately, with past as prologue, my suspicion is he is more like James Akinjo then Jahvon Blair. More like Josh LeBlanc then Malcolm Wilson, More like Galen Alexander then Jagan Mosely, more like Tre King then DSR, more like Qudus Wahab then Roy Hibbert. You get my point. Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me. I for one, am not going to be fooled again. From what he shows on the court time and again, he isn't being coached up and isn't improving. Either that's on the coach or the player but it is untenable. My problem with him is that he is the annointed leader of this team, yet he points fingers and vocally blames them when his pass isn’t caught or fumbled. As a leader or point guard a bad pass is always the passer’s fault and they need to take ownership of it. As a leader it also is not a good example. That is an area that it is critical that he has to improve on as the team leader. If he can’t do that, then it’s best to move on.
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Post by Highsmith on Feb 24, 2023 9:33:58 GMT -5
Dang, I know last night was a mess, but Brandon fought hard, and really rallied the team from way back to the cusp of victory. I was there, and he was fun to watch. All of these personal attacks on Brandon, people who don't "enjoy" watching him, say he's got no heart, he's unlikeable, say they won't miss him when he's gone, such loser talk, pathetic. Make no mistake, it doesn't matter if you are an alum, or if you have season tickets, or even if you have the wherewithal to contribute financially to Georgetown, you are not entitled to belittle Brandon Murray on HoyaTalk. Even if any of what people say when they throw their little tantrums was true, which it isn't, you should know better, you should hold yourself to a higher standard than a colicky 6 month old. And please, spare me the "when Georgetown wins again I will stop being a miserable sack of *&%*" nonsense, no one with any sense would want to be on an elevator when it breaks down with any of you, let alone a foxhole, what a bunch of slope shouldered spineless pieces of luggage, embarrassing. Unlike players of the past (at least officially), Murray is raking in some pretty good NIL money to play. To me, that's the other side of the bargain. If you are going to get paid to play at a school, then you are open to more criticism. There is nothing that says every player has to be liked by everyone. If a player exhibits characteristics that are antithetical to the way the fans expect players to be, then those fans are going to express that....especially if that player is making some good money doing it. And by the way, your insults are much worse than anything anyone has said about any player. How are you "entitled" to belittle everyone here?
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Feb 24, 2023 9:40:37 GMT -5
Dang, I know last night was a mess, but Brandon fought hard, and really rallied the team from way back to the cusp of victory. I was there, and he was fun to watch. All of these personal attacks on Brandon, people who don't "enjoy" watching him, say he's got no heart, he's unlikeable, say they won't miss him when he's gone, such loser talk, pathetic. Make no mistake, it doesn't matter if you are an alum, or if you have season tickets, or even if you have the wherewithal to contribute financially to Georgetown, you are not entitled to belittle Brandon Murray on HoyaTalk. Even if any of what people say when they throw their little tantrums was true, which it isn't, you should know better, you should hold yourself to a higher standard than a colicky 6 month old. And please, spare me the "when Georgetown wins again I will stop being a miserable sack of *&%*" nonsense, no one with any sense would want to be on an elevator when it breaks down with any of you, let alone a foxhole, what a bunch of slope shouldered spineless pieces of luggage, embarrassing. Unlike players of the past (at least officially), Murray is raking in some pretty good NIL money to play. To me, that's the other side of the bargain. If you are going to get paid to play at a school, then you are open to more criticism. There is nothing that says every player has to be liked by everyone. If a player exhibits characteristics that are antithetical to the way the fans expect players to be, then those fans are going to express that....especially if that player is making some good money doing it. And by the way, your insults are much worse than anything anyone has said about any player. How are you "entitled" to belittle everyone here? Highsmith, what NIL deals does he have you are aware of? Those can't be good investments by the companies considering our low attendance & visibility. I kind of think most NIL is a joke. Yes, there are kids that can drive business in crazy football SEC country or at like and Ohio State or Penn State. But who is going to Audi of Alexandria because Brandon Murray endorses them? I just don't see it.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Feb 24, 2023 10:04:12 GMT -5
Highsmith, what NIL deals does he have you are aware of? Those can't be good investments by the companies considering our low attendance & visibility. I kind of think most NIL is a joke. Yes, there are kids that can drive business in crazy football SEC country or at like and Ohio State or Penn State. But who is going to Audi of Alexandria because Brandon Murray endorses them? I just don't see it. NIL is a not a free market system, where players are given deals commensurate with their value in pure terms of driving sales, etc. Instead, it's a legal way for fans/alumni/boosters to funnel money toward kids. Especially at these huge footballs schools, you have ridiculously wealthy alumni or fans who are willing to throw money around simply to get players. Like the Miami booster who offered $540,000 ($500 per player, per month) to the 90-member Miami football team. In any real capitalistic system, that would never happen. NIL really is a joke, in that it's a way to legally give kids money for attending a university.
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Post by SSHoya on Feb 24, 2023 10:10:30 GMT -5
Highsmith, what NIL deals does he have you are aware of? Those can't be good investments by the companies considering our low attendance & visibility. I kind of think most NIL is a joke. Yes, there are kids that can drive business in crazy football SEC country or at like and Ohio State or Penn State. But who is going to Audi of Alexandria because Brandon Murray endorses them? I just don't see it. NIL is a not a free market system, where players are given deals commensurate with their value in pure terms of driving sales, etc. Instead, it's a legal way for fans/alumni/boosters to funnel money toward kids. Especially at these huge footballs schools, you have ridiculously wealthy alumni or fans who are willing to throw money around simply to get players. Like the Miami booster who offered $540,000 ($500 per player, per month) to the 90-member Miami football team. In any real capitalistic system, that would never happen. NIL really is a joke, in that it's a way to legally give kids money for attending a university. I won't pretend to know exactly what this is but it appears to be an attempt to evaluate players in a free market system? www.on3.com/db/brandon-murray-12873/nil/
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Post by professorhoya on Feb 24, 2023 10:15:15 GMT -5
NIL is a not a free market system, where players are given deals commensurate with their value in pure terms of driving sales, etc. Instead, it's a legal way for fans/alumni/boosters to funnel money toward kids. Especially at these huge footballs schools, you have ridiculously wealthy alumni or fans who are willing to throw money around simply to get players. Like the Miami booster who offered $540,000 ($500 per player, per month) to the 90-member Miami football team. In any real capitalistic system, that would never happen. NIL really is a joke, in that it's a way to legally give kids money for attending a university. I won't pretend to know exactly what this is but it appears to be an attempt to evaluate players in a free market system? www.on3.com/db/brandon-murray-12873/nil/He went from 93k to 16k over this season
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Post by EtomicB on Feb 24, 2023 10:50:43 GMT -5
Highsmith, what NIL deals does he have you are aware of? Those can't be good investments by the companies considering our low attendance & visibility. I kind of think most NIL is a joke. Yes, there are kids that can drive business in crazy football SEC country or at like and Ohio State or Penn State. But who is going to Audi of Alexandria because Brandon Murray endorses them? I just don't see it. NIL is a not a free market system, where players are given deals commensurate with their value in pure terms of driving sales, etc. Instead, it's a legal way for fans/alumni/boosters to funnel money toward kids. Especially at these huge footballs schools, you have ridiculously wealthy alumni or fans who are willing to throw money around simply to get players. Like the Miami booster who offered $540,000 ($500 per player, per month) to the 90-member Miami football team. In any real capitalistic system, that would never happen. NIL really is a joke, in that it's a way to legally give kids money for attending a university. Pretty sure the boosters are trying to drive the sales for the program they root for, just because it may not affect their personal pockets doesn't make NIL a non free market system. The joke has always been Universities & Colleges pretending a multi-billion dollar system was amateurism
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Post by rhw485 on Feb 24, 2023 11:19:17 GMT -5
From freshman year to senior year: 108.9, 109.4, 104.4, and 106.7. His usage was very low though and he took few shots. Murray’s usage is significantly higher. I’m sure if Lubick took as many shots a Murray he would have been less efficient but that’s part of the point. Murray takes a lot of really bad shots. If he chose better and took fewer shots, but better ones, he’d almost certainly be more efficient. They are kind of the extremes. Lubick took too few shots (to be fair he played with some pretty good offensive players like Porter, which was also part of it), whereas Murray shoots too much and takes bad shots on top of it. At LSU, Murray’s usage was lower and efficiency higher. Is there a stat for usage times efficiency? I don’t know if that would completely take care of the problem but it would take care of someone like Lubick who looks good on paper. By his senior year people figured out that he was afraid to shoot and so we’re playing off him and doubling others since he wasn’t going to shoot from outside but was only going to pass. Very good question, and the right question. One of my consistent complaints about efficiency numbers being thrown around is failure to consider usage. Appreciate that point was highlighted up front here by both posters but have seen usage largely be ignored in other discussions. TRank has it's own metric which is meant to give adjustments for high usage players to offset how much more difficult it is to be efficient as usage increases. It is a cumulative stat over the course of a season but I think we're far enough along at this point: Murray: freshman year 1.9 / sophomore year 1.7. Also interesting, by this metric Murray is our 4th most valuable player, behind Heath / Spears / Q Lubick (over the 4 years): 1.2/ 1.2 / 1.9 / 1.0. So I actually think the stat does a reasonable job of normalizing Murray's high usage / inefficient stats with Lubick being highly efficient but such low usage. Here's the explainer on the formula but appreciate this is too much math even for me barttorvik.com/porpagatu.html
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Post by SDHoya on Feb 24, 2023 11:41:46 GMT -5
NIL is a not a free market system, where players are given deals commensurate with their value in pure terms of driving sales, etc. Instead, it's a legal way for fans/alumni/boosters to funnel money toward kids. Especially at these huge footballs schools, you have ridiculously wealthy alumni or fans who are willing to throw money around simply to get players. Like the Miami booster who offered $540,000 ($500 per player, per month) to the 90-member Miami football team. In any real capitalistic system, that would never happen. NIL really is a joke, in that it's a way to legally give kids money for attending a university. Pretty sure the boosters are trying to drive the sales for the program they root for, just because it may not affect their personal pockets doesn't make NIL a non free market system. The hoke has always been scools pretending a multi-billion dollar system was amateurism Its more of a semi-free market. I agree that in a free market, value is determined by how much the participants are willing to buy/sell for--the motivations for why they wish to spend that money is mostly irrelevant. However, I'd say the better analogy to the current status of major college athletics would be to a tolerated black market. The transaction the market participants really want to participate in-- i.e. pay for play--remains technically prohibited. NIL in theory is an unrelated transaction in which a party not affiliated with the academic institution purchases the marketing/PR services of a 20 year old who coincidentally is a student athlete at State U. In practice, the NCAA has tolerated the use of NIL as a back door for pay-for-play. But because "pay for play" remains technically prohibited, it creates substantial market inefficiencies and weird results, particularly when combined with the free transfer changes (see e.g., Jalen Rashada).
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Post by CTHoya08 on Feb 24, 2023 12:05:45 GMT -5
NIL is nothing more than a fig leaf for pay-for-play. Most players' NIL rights, qua NIL rights, have basically no market value. They are valuable only insofar as they are something that can be legally sold for money as a proxy for what the buyer really wants: the players' services at his school of choice. There is no rule (to my knowledge), that purchasers of NIL rights must actually deploy the players' NIL once purchased.
To be clear, I don't think there's anything morally wrong with the players being paid. NIL-as-proxy-for-pay-to-play is kind of clunky and dumb, but I think it's silly when people ask "what is the actual value of Player X's NIL?" The buyer almost never will actually care whether having Player X as a brand representative will boost sales. He cares that Player X is suiting up for his alma mater. NIL is the conduit to pay for that.
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Post by EtomicB on Feb 24, 2023 13:43:51 GMT -5
NIL is nothing more than a fig leaf for pay-for-play. Most players' NIL rights, qua NIL rights, have basically no market value. They are valuable only insofar as they are something that can be legally sold for money as a proxy for what the buyer really wants: the players' services at his school of choice. There is no rule (to my knowledge), that purchasers of NIL rights must actually deploy the players' NIL once purchased. To be clear, I don't think there's anything morally wrong with the players being paid. NIL-as-proxy-for-pay-to-play is kind of clunky and dumb, but I think it's silly when people ask "what is the actual value of Player X's NIL?" The buyer almost never will actually care whether having Player X as a brand representative will boost sales. He cares that Player X is suiting up for his alma mater. NIL is the conduit to pay for that. 1st players have to perform some type of service to get the loot, it could be an autograph session or book reading or endorsement but something has to be done. awmcap.com/blog/nil-rules
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Post by hoyaguy on Feb 24, 2023 14:29:23 GMT -5
Personally I like the NIL stuff being out in the open which definitely gets more players money and are more fairly evaluated instead of the dark market which capped the money players would get. Also it’s been fun to watch the fossils squirm and whine about how they can’t low ball players anymore because it was a limited market. It always felt like a bad joke that players can’t/shouldn’t be paid when billion dollars worth of tv deals occur and schools rake it in and they’ll stick some players in fake classes so they basically just get housing. Murray seemed like a great get at the time and maybe with a better coach he’d be an efficient player but alas
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Post by jackofjoy on Feb 24, 2023 18:16:42 GMT -5
Highsmith, what NIL deals does he have you are aware of? Those can't be good investments by the companies considering our low attendance & visibility. I kind of think most NIL is a joke. Yes, there are kids that can drive business in crazy football SEC country or at like and Ohio State or Penn State. But who is going to Audi of Alexandria because Brandon Murray endorses them? I just don't see it. NIL is a not a free market system, where players are given deals commensurate with their value in pure terms of driving sales, etc. Instead, it's a legal way for fans/alumni/boosters to funnel money toward kids. Especially at these huge footballs schools, you have ridiculously wealthy alumni or fans who are willing to throw money around simply to get players. Like the Miami booster who offered $540,000 ($500 per player, per month) to the 90-member Miami football team. In any real capitalistic system, that would never happen. NIL really is a joke, in that it's a way to legally give kids money for attending a university. Let me ask the question again or another way ... what NIL would Murray be getting? Georgetown doesn't have a collective, as far as I know of or at least not "over the table". I guess a rabid fan with money could be giving him something (bad investment). Does NIL have to be structured at the outset of the season and guaranteed? In that case I'd understand - he got guaranteed $x at the start of the season. Seems to me the NCAA shouldn't be able to have it both ways (of course it's the NCAA) - I'm Ok with players getting paid, but shouldn't there be a public resource where it's disclosed how much, by whom and what for - as opposed to either rumors or only big deals (or weird/cutesy like the air conditioning kid at Nebraska) being made known?
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