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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Feb 23, 2023 11:43:05 GMT -5
I do not enjoy watching him play. I know before the season, a lot of people were saying he was more talented than Aminu, and I still have not seen that at all. I do believe Murray could be a much better player with real coaching, but between Ewing and Nickelberry, he's not getting it.
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Post by professorhoya on Feb 23, 2023 11:48:53 GMT -5
I do not enjoy watching him play. I know before the season, a lot of people were saying he was more talented than Aminu, and I still have not seen that at all. I do believe Murray could be a much better player with real coaching, but between Ewing and Nickelberry, he's not getting it. Murray has a great skill set but doesn’t have the quick twitch athleticism or lateral movement of Aminu or the work ethic or concentration or BB IQ or leadership of Aminu. If you could combine the best attributes of both players then you would have a McDonald’s high five star but then we probably would not have been able to get them as they would go to KU/UK/UNC/Duke/Texas.
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Post by bostonfan on Feb 23, 2023 12:00:08 GMT -5
I do not enjoy watching him play. I know before the season, a lot of people were saying he was more talented than Aminu, and I still have not seen that at all. I do believe Murray could be a much better player with real coaching, but between Ewing and Nickelberry, he's not getting it. Murray is a good player with a good skill set, but not a great player. He would be more effective with better talent around him, and better coaching that focused on his strengths and didn't ask/allow him to do things that are beyond his skill level. He could be a strong complimentary player on a really good team, but if he is the #1 guys for your team, then your not a very good team.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Feb 23, 2023 12:01:08 GMT -5
The athleticism is there, the head & heart are not. It is very frustrating to watch. He continually needs to see the bench but for some reason coach let's him stay in and do the same garbage. Turnover after turnover. It's awful
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Post by footahh on Feb 23, 2023 12:07:29 GMT -5
Any competent program or staff would have glued the kid to the bench to make a point months ago. The body language was punishable from the jump. The carelessness with the ball is at a middle school level.
He played the most minutes as a freshman on a 6 seed that was a top 10 defensive team in the country. It is well within his ability to be a functional to very good player in a competent system. To me, it looks like he's made the decision that he'd rather be the guy or act like the guy than commit to winning plays.
The only way this team was going to be any good was if he was an alpha dog leader - a guy that guarded the opponents best player and scored 12-15 points in an efficient manner. He's been the opposite. A lazy, pouty, selfish player that is happy taking 10 ill advised shots a game and walking up and down the court.
That's about as harsh of criticism I'll ever give a Hoya but it's reality
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Post by hoyaatheart55 on Feb 23, 2023 12:13:18 GMT -5
Least like-able Hoya of the last 20 years at least
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Post by hoya9797 on Feb 23, 2023 13:05:12 GMT -5
He seems unhappy out there. He’s looked unhappy from the minute he saw the kind of coach he bet his future on. He’s known for a long time what a huge mistake he made.
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Post by kghoya on Feb 23, 2023 15:08:44 GMT -5
Absurdly big for Pat. Prob best 2-guard prospect in nation. Land Huntley Hatfield and keep Dante and Aminu, and GU would have a full deck next season. I don't think Pat is the answer, but Murray is the most talented GU player since Monroe. Yes, sorry Otto. I hope to one day have this level of optimism again.
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Post by practice on Feb 23, 2023 15:12:36 GMT -5
Despite Brandon Murray's face and body language, I tend to blame Ewing for this debacle. The kid was good last year at LSU. He was great as a HS baller in Baltimore. He was sold a bill of goods by Nickelberry and likely promised 30 mins+, starting job, being called "the best player", and unlimited shots ... but for a coach who can't coach and for a team that is TERRIBLE. I would like to place a bet today for the headline this time next year, "Brandon Murray most improved player".
That being said, someone need to pull him aside and show him tape of what an a$$ he looks like repeatedly during games with his crying face, pouting, and gesturing. He appears to be a crybaby and a terrible teammate. Maybe - and I say probably -- just a symptom of Ewing's coaching/coddling.
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Post by professorhoya on Feb 23, 2023 15:45:02 GMT -5
Despite Brandon Murray's face and body language, I tend to blame Ewing for this debacle. The kid was good last year at LSU. He was great as a HS baller in Baltimore. He was sold a bill of goods by Nickelberry and likely promised 30 mins+, starting job, being called "the best player", and unlimited shots ... but for a coach who can't coach and for a team that is TERRIBLE. I would like to place a bet today for the headline this time next year, "Brandon Murray most improved player". That being said, someone need to pull him aside and show him tape of what an a$$ he looks like repeatedly during games with his crying face, pouting, and gesturing. He appears to be a crybaby and a terrible teammate. Maybe - and I say probably -- just a symptom of Ewing's coaching/coddling. His stats are actually better and his percentages are almost identical. www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/stats/_/id/4684166/brandon-murrayThe common factor at LSU and here is Nickleberry. It does not seem that Nickleberry can reign him in or control him from being out of control or taking ownership. This is why it doesn’t matter who the coach is next year. We need to get rid of him.
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Post by practice on Feb 23, 2023 15:50:10 GMT -5
Despite Brandon Murray's face and body language, I tend to blame Ewing for this debacle. The kid was good last year at LSU. He was great as a HS baller in Baltimore. He was sold a bill of goods by Nickelberry and likely promised 30 mins+, starting job, being called "the best player", and unlimited shots ... but for a coach who can't coach and for a team that is TERRIBLE. I would like to place a bet today for the headline this time next year, "Brandon Murray most improved player". That being said, someone need to pull him aside and show him tape of what an a$$ he looks like repeatedly during games with his crying face, pouting, and gesturing. He appears to be a crybaby and a terrible teammate. Maybe - and I say probably -- just a symptom of Ewing's coaching/coddling. His stats are actually better and his percentages are almost identical. www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/stats/_/id/4684166/brandon-murrayThe common factor at LSU and here is Nickleberry. It does not seem that Nickleberry can reign him in or control him from being out of control or taking ownership. This is why it doesn’t matter who the coach is next year. We need to get rid of him. You always hope that players improve from Freshman to Sophomore years ... But more importantly, if by "him" you mean Ewing and Nickelberry .. we finally agree on something!
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Post by prhoya on Feb 23, 2023 15:53:02 GMT -5
Despite Brandon Murray's face and body language, I tend to blame Ewing for this debacle. The kid was good last year at LSU. He was great as a HS baller in Baltimore. He was sold a bill of goods by Nickelberry and likely promised 30 mins+, starting job, being called "the best player", and unlimited shots ... but for a coach who can't coach and for a team that is TERRIBLE. I would like to place a bet today for the headline this time next year, "Brandon Murray most improved player". That being said, someone need to pull him aside and show him tape of what an a$$ he looks like repeatedly during games with his crying face, pouting, and gesturing. He appears to be a crybaby and a terrible teammate. Maybe - and I say probably -- just a symptom of Ewing's coaching/coddling. His stats are actually better and his percentages are almost identical. www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/stats/_/id/4684166/brandon-murrayThe common factor at LSU and here is Nickleberry. It does not seem that Nickleberry can reign him in or control him from being out of control or taking ownership. This is why it doesn’t matter who the coach is next year. We need to get rid of him. Nickelberry would be gone if Pitino comes in. If the kid sticks to Nickelberry, good riddance. Now, if the kid recognizes that playing under Pitino and following his instructions is a dream come true, then keep him.
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Post by SDHoya on Feb 23, 2023 16:06:00 GMT -5
I get the frustrations with Murray, but I think they are overblown. Yesterday's game was great example of how I perceive him. 25 points on 10/17 shooting and 3/6 from deep. Which would be very impressive, but for the 7 turnovers. He made several very good defensive plays, particularly in one-on-one situations, but other times was out of position or showed lack of hustle. Basically, when Murray is engaged, he has the potential to be excellent, but he too often loses focus or lets frustration dictate his play. Aside from the obsession with his "body language", I haven't heard anything indicating that he is disliked by his teammates. Maybe those posters are correct that he is an irredeemable cancer. But I see a kid who is frustrated with losing and its unfortunately affecting his game. I think with the right coaching staff and a more defined role, he has huge potential.
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Post by hoyaboya on Feb 23, 2023 17:31:56 GMT -5
Absurdly big for Pat. Prob best 2-guard prospect in nation. Land Huntley Hatfield and keep Dante and Aminu, and GU would have a full deck next season. I don't think Pat is the answer, but Murray is the most talented GU player since Monroe. Yes, sorry Otto. I hope to one day have this level of optimism again. Lol on Smokeyjack assessment.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Feb 23, 2023 17:58:04 GMT -5
Despite Brandon Murray's face and body language, I tend to blame Ewing for this debacle. The kid was good last year at LSU. He was great as a HS baller in Baltimore. He was sold a bill of goods by Nickelberry and likely promised 30 mins+, starting job, being called "the best player", and unlimited shots ... but for a coach who can't coach and for a team that is TERRIBLE. I would like to place a bet today for the headline this time next year, "Brandon Murray most improved player". That being said, someone need to pull him aside and show him tape of what an a$$ he looks like repeatedly during games with his crying face, pouting, and gesturing. He appears to be a crybaby and a terrible teammate. Maybe - and I say probably -- just a symptom of Ewing's coaching/coddling. His stats are actually better and his percentages are almost identical. www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/stats/_/id/4684166/brandon-murrayThe common factor at LSU and here is Nickleberry. It does not seem that Nickleberry can reign him in or control him from being out of control or taking ownership. This is why it doesn’t matter who the coach is next year. We need to get rid of him. For what it's worth, advanced stats do show that Murray was a good bit better last year. His offensive efficiency at LSU was 102.6, this year it is 93.7. That's a huge difference. He shot twos last year at 48.8%, declined to 44.2% this year. His three point shooting is largely the same (33%), though slightly better last year. The fact that he takes so many long twos, like Spears, basically makes it impossible for him to be efficient. I am sure long-time fans remember Mikael Hopkins, and the fact that he struggled mightily to finish at the rim or score at all. His efficiency his last two years was 92.3 and 92.9. So basically, Murray's efficiency is that of Mikael Hopkins. Yet, Hopkins was a big, and Murray is supposed to be our star. At least Hopkins was an excellent defender and always had a good attitude and motor. Murray doesn't share those attributes.
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Post by hoya18 on Feb 23, 2023 18:12:04 GMT -5
He score 20 and gives up 30. Horrible passer, throws balls at feet of teammates or behind them Sulks when he misses a shot allowing the other team a break away score When passes are missed he shakes his head at teammates, when fouled he shows up the refs.
A long to go as a player. Throw in those clueless inbounds sequences against St Johns
The challenge with Georgetown, they just do not have the talent to compete.
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Post by calhoya on Feb 23, 2023 18:48:52 GMT -5
I think he is exactly the same player as Aminu was in that he is a ball stopper who tries to drive into the lane and force shots. Different shots but same results with high volume and low return. Better outside shooter than Aminu, much worse in terms of defense and certainly does not appear to have the motor of Aminu. Ultimately as maddening as it is to watch and realizing that Nickleberry clearly has some influence here, it is still true that the entire Ewing tenure has featured out of control "stars" who get much longer leashes than other players on the team. Primo and Brandon (perhaps Heath though not certain), Aminu, Dante, McClung, and Akinjo. Blair was regularly pulled when he went rogue. Pickett was benched for games when he went rogue or did not put in the effort. Derrickson was embarrassed ("Do you practice that shot?") for taking a shot in the lane falling away from the basket and yet how many shots falling away from the basket have we seen each game this year. I would like to find out if Murray and Primo and Heath are coach-able and can be taught to play team ball, slow down and think before passing or shooting or driving into the crowded lane. I just do not believe it will be at Georgetown.
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Post by Elvado on Feb 23, 2023 19:01:27 GMT -5
Will not miss him when he leaves, be it now or in another year.
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Post by kghoya on Feb 23, 2023 19:37:22 GMT -5
I hope to one day have this level of optimism again. Lol on Smokeyjack assessment. I'm not even mad at the assessment. We all get stuff wrong. I'm just hoping that one day I will get that level of confidence back in Georgetown basketball
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Post by HoyaRejuveNation85 on Feb 23, 2023 20:24:56 GMT -5
I think he is exactly the same player as Aminu was in that he is a ball stopper who tries to drive into the lane and force shots. Different shots but same results with high volume and low return. Better outside shooter than Aminu, much worse in terms of defense and certainly does not appear to have the motor of Aminu. Ultimately as maddening as it is to watch and realizing that Nickleberry clearly has some influence here, it is still true that the entire Ewing tenure has featured out of control "stars" who get much longer leashes than other players on the team. Primo and Brandon (perhaps Heath though not certain), Aminu, Dante, McClung, and Akinjo. Blair was regularly pulled when he went rogue. Pickett was benched for games when he went rogue or did not put in the effort. Derrickson was embarrassed ("Do you practice that shot?") for taking a shot in the lane falling away from the basket and yet how many shots falling away from the basket have we seen each game this year. I would like to find out if Murray and Primo and Heath are coach-able and can be taught to play team ball, slow down and think before passing or shooting or driving into the crowded lane. I just do not believe it will be at Georgetown. Couldn’t agree more.
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