prhoya
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Post by prhoya on Mar 15, 2022 14:19:33 GMT -5
Yes, I agree! He’s an experienced NBA assistant coach. It would put him one step away from his dream job.
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kbones17
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Post by kbones17 on Mar 15, 2022 14:51:23 GMT -5
Yes, I agree! He’s an experienced NBA assistant coach. It would put him one step away from his dream job. Yes, and offer him 4.5mil to be an assistant. Seems likely (sarcasm).
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hoya9797
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Post by hoya9797 on Mar 15, 2022 14:51:37 GMT -5
These are the kind of miracles Georgetown doesn’t get.
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Post by hoyaguy on Mar 15, 2022 15:00:11 GMT -5
Is it known how long the extension is for? In terms of spending more money, if they fired coach they would have had to pay his salary and the new coach and assistants salaries. So if you look at it from that perspective there should be money to hire expensive assistants. Extension is for another 3 years, which when tacked on to the end of the 6th year of his initial 6-year contract, runs through 2026. From what I've read, it looks like this: 2022-2023: $3.6M 2023-2024: $3.95M 2024-2025: $3.95M 2025-2026: $3.95M Damn do you think I could get the job $2M cuz if all we need is 0 conference wins and a few cupcake wins then I got this guys
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prhoya
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Post by prhoya on Mar 15, 2022 16:56:36 GMT -5
Yes, I agree! He’s an experienced NBA assistant coach. It would put him one step away from his dream job. Yes, and offer him 4.5mil to be an assistant. Seems likely (sarcasm). For Pat, it’s not about the money.
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Post by Buckets on Mar 15, 2022 19:30:24 GMT -5
I was trying to put together a list of realistic candidates so I went to the most logical spot, the roster of the 87-88 New York Knicks. - Louis Orr - already on staff, reason I started on this journey
- Billy Donovan - wow! This would be a great option. Ewing's $3.95M salary can get you an NBA head coach, but Donovan's on a 4-year/$24M deal. Unlikely to get fired any time soon
- Rick Carlisle - mostly the same as above, signed with the Pacers for 4-year/$29M this past offseason
- Mark Jackson - this whole point guard depth chart coached in the NBA?! Wasn't a great coach, currently the world's worst announcer. Could be available if he gets rightfully canned from his announcing job. Loves reminiscing about the Knicks with JVG, might be down for a nostalgia tour
- Johnny Newman - 1984 CAA Player of the Year, long NBA career. No coaching experience, but 1984 lasts forever around here. At 58, somehow on the younger end of some of the retreads that have been discussed
- Gerald Henderson Sr. - son played for Duke and retired from the NBA in 2017. No coaching experience, but "played for Duke" might be the closest to a qualified assistant we'll actually be able to hire
Hope this helps as we move forward on this inexplicable journey with Ewing in charge.
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EtomicB
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Post by EtomicB on Mar 15, 2022 20:08:21 GMT -5
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Post by hoya9797 on Mar 15, 2022 20:37:40 GMT -5
Why would someone who is unquestionably a better coach than Ewing want to work for him? It doesn’t make a lot of sense.
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hoyaroc
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Post by hoyaroc on Mar 15, 2022 21:07:05 GMT -5
Why would someone who is unquestionably a better coach than Ewing want to work for him? It doesn’t make a lot of sense. Nothing you say make sense.
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Post by 3xhoya on Mar 15, 2022 21:25:50 GMT -5
Why would someone who is unquestionably a better coach than Ewing want to work for him? It doesn’t make a lot of sense. Nothing you say make sense. You are obviously in the camp that thinks Ewing is a good coach. Can you please give us examples of his coaching aptitude that you have seen? Concrete things you have seen in games. He is clearly here to stay and I would like to look for these positives throughout the season next year.
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Post by RockawayHoya on Mar 16, 2022 13:26:14 GMT -5
Connecting the dots...
Jordan Brooks played his collegiate career at Hampton (2007-2011), including the first three season under former Howard Men's Basketball head coach Kevin Nickelberry.
Both guys just saw their respective HCs at Xavier and LSU get fired. Both guys were their schools' respective leads on Tyrell Ward.
Seems to me if you brought both of them in as assistants, it could drastically improve local recruiting in a hurry and really put us in a good position if Ward decides to look elsewhere.
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Post by daveg023 on Mar 16, 2022 14:03:05 GMT -5
I honestly am not very engaged in our assistant coach search because at the end of the day our head coach remains and our roster can’t really improve too much (if at all) this year. This literally feels like we have to wait a year for another 10-22 season and then JD can pull the plug with one less year to buyout. And likely whatever assistants come in go with Ewing then.
If by some miracle we are better, then you could argue maybe Ewing should still be fired and the top assistant should be given the job as he would be the main variable in the change.
Honestly we all know Ewing is not the guy we want for the next 3-4 years, so whatever it takes to clean house quickest is what I’m rooting for. The last thing I want to see is them bring in new assistants, we sign a good kid for 2024, we go like 14-18 and that’ll be grounds for running it back. In that scenario we are never getting away from the Ewing regime, which has to be the end goal as a fan of this program.
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Post by CTHoya08 on Mar 16, 2022 14:25:46 GMT -5
I honestly am not very engaged in our assistant coach search because at the end of the day our head coach remains and our roster can’t really improve too much (if at all) this year. This literally feels like we have to wait a year for another 10-22 season and then JD can pull the plug with one less year to buyout. And likely whatever assistants come in go with Ewing then. If by some miracle we are better, then you could argue maybe Ewing should still be fired and the top assistant should be given the job as he would be the main variable in the change. Honestly we all know Ewing is not the guy we want for the next 3-4 years, so whatever it takes to clean house quickest is what I’m rooting for. The last thing I want to see is them bring in new assistants, we sign a good kid for 2024, we go like 14-18 and that’ll be grounds for running it back. In that scenario we are never getting away from the Ewing regime, which has to be the end goal as a fan of this program. I'd almost rather strike out with the top assistants this year, because that might give us a better shot at them when we do start over, which hopefully is as soon as next year. (Yes, I'm holding onto the delusional hope that the admin caves and moves on after next year. I don't know why 3-36 over two years would get it done if 0-19 in a single year doesn't, but there has to be something to hope for.)
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Post by kbones17 on Mar 16, 2022 16:56:28 GMT -5
Connecting the dots... Jordan Brooks played his collegiate career at Hampton (2007-2011), including the first three season under former Howard Men's Basketball head coach Kevin Nickelberry. Both guys just saw their respective HCs at Xavier and LSU get fired. Both guys were their schools' respective leads on Tyrell Ward. Seems to me if you brought both of them in as assistants, it could drastically improve local recruiting in a hurry and really put us in a good position if Ward decides to look elsewhere. Don’t think too rationally. Keeping it in the family…
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Post by boxout05 on Mar 16, 2022 22:04:21 GMT -5
Preface this by saying I hope we got 20-0 next year and win the title…but that doesn’t seem likely based on past results and current rumors. CTHoya08, Are we at the point where Pat’s salary keeps him around for 2-3 years regardless of results, so may as well get some good assistants and recruits to end up with a “respectable” 7-13 each year until his contract runs out? If the alternative is hoping for a 1-19 record to doom him only to be disappointed when he sticks around year after year…that’s worse, right?
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Mar 16, 2022 22:39:30 GMT -5
Preface this by saying I hope we got 20-0 next year and win the title…but that doesn’t seem likely based on past results and current rumors. CTHoya08, Are we at the point where Pat’s salary keeps him around for 2-3 years regardless of results, so may as well get some good assistants and recruits to end up with a “respectable” 7-13 each year until his contract runs out? If the alternative is hoping for a 1-19 record to doom him only to be disappointed when he sticks around year after year…that’s worse, right? I think if Ewing went 7-13 every year, Georgetown would never fire him. Really, both scenarios are similarly bad, as it would mean the program is not competitive and fine with mediocrity. If the program keeps going 0-20 or something similar each year, eventually change will happen. I am not so sure that would be the case if we went 7-13 every year, especially since 7-13 would be spun as a huge improvement over this past year (see, Patrick has finally figured it out!). Ewing will get a few more OOC wins next year, because he will schedule 300+ level opponents that a good high school team could beat. But, at this point, with this roster, it's hard to see drastic improvement next year, unless Ewing hands the reigns over to some new assistant and Ewing becomes a figure-head. And that's not going to happen.
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Post by LCPolo18 on Mar 16, 2022 23:25:11 GMT -5
Connecting the dots... Jordan Brooks played his collegiate career at Hampton (2007-2011), including the first three season under former Howard Men's Basketball head coach Kevin Nickelberry. Both guys just saw their respective HCs at Xavier and LSU get fired. Both guys were their schools' respective leads on Tyrell Ward. Seems to me if you brought both of them in as assistants, it could drastically improve local recruiting in a hurry and really put us in a good position if Ward decides to look elsewhere. Pegues also recruited Tyrell Ward for Louisville. I know I shouldn’t get my hopes up about who is liking the tweets from Pegues, but I’m going to get my hopes up about who is liking the tweets from Pegues.
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Post by boxout05 on Mar 17, 2022 0:05:21 GMT -5
Preface this by saying I hope we got 20-0 next year and win the title…but that doesn’t seem likely based on past results and current rumors. CTHoya08, Are we at the point where Pat’s salary keeps him around for 2-3 years regardless of results, so may as well get some good assistants and recruits to end up with a “respectable” 7-13 each year until his contract runs out? If the alternative is hoping for a 1-19 record to doom him only to be disappointed when he sticks around year after year…that’s worse, right? I think if Ewing went 7-13 every year, Georgetown would never fire him. Really. Legitimate concern but I hope that isn’t the case because it’d mean the administration and I have wildly different expectations for the program and my world changes. But even if they don’t want to compete, they should still fire him and bring in a new coach for 1/4th the price (unless this really is an unholy money grab for a bunch of cronies, which represents an even bigger issue). Then again, I’m the guy who sat on my hands the past 6 weeks assuming there was no way he’d be back after 0-20, so why bother? Now I have to decide whether he’s got another 3 years regardless (so why make a scene at CapOne) or should things become…unpleasant?
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Post by hoyaroc on Mar 17, 2022 0:12:02 GMT -5
I think if Ewing went 7-13 every year, Georgetown would never fire him. Really. Legitimate concern but I hope that isn’t the case because it’d mean the administration and I have wildly different expectations for the program and my world changes. But even if they don’t want to compete, they should still fire him and bring in a new coach for 1/4th the price (unless this really is an unholy money grab for a bunch of cronies, which represents an even bigger issue). Then again, I’m the guy who sat on my hands the past 6 weeks assuming there was no way he’d be back after 0-20, so why bother? Now I have to decide whether he’s got another 3 years regardless (so why make a scene at CapOne) or do should things become…unpleasant? Keep sitting on your hands. Who hell are you people talking about money grab and cronies.
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Post by boxout05 on Mar 17, 2022 0:56:04 GMT -5
Legitimate concern but I hope that isn’t the case because it’d mean the administration and I have wildly different expectations for the program and my world changes. But even if they don’t want to compete, they should still fire him and bring in a new coach for 1/4th the price (unless this really is an unholy money grab for a bunch of cronies, which represents an even bigger issue). Then again, I’m the guy who sat on my hands the past 6 weeks assuming there was no way he’d be back after 0-20, so why bother? Now I have to decide whether he’s got another 3 years regardless (so why make a scene at CapOne) or do should things become…unpleasant? Keep sitting on your hands. Who hell are you people talking about money grab and cronies. An alum who’s had season tix for 20 years, donates to the university’s scholarship fund and athletic fund every year, interviews prospective students for admission and graduating students for jobs, and who is genuinely concerned about the way this program he invests his time, money, and emotions in is being run. If you don’t think being an alum, customer,, and volunteer gives me the right to voice my concerns on a message board for fans and alums … than you can ESAD because I really don’t care. So who the hell are you to call out posters day after day?
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