hoyazeke
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Post by hoyazeke on Mar 14, 2022 11:06:32 GMT -5
There is no excuse that justifies an 0-20 season. This. From someone who's not caught up in speculating about Ronny's role , in that anonymous rant supposedly by a player, so, from someone who's not a hater, by any measure. And, I've watched games closely and tried my best to give Ewing credit for certain coaching in-game actions. There is no excuse and it's unbelievable that Ewing is still here. No wins in 2022 can't be explained away by tribulations that other teams get past.
I have never made this statement. I have always said that Ewing deserves the majority of the blame. 70+%. But if you can't see the perfect f storm that happened this season you have been gaslighted into The Ewing Hate Mob.....you fill in the blank with whatever coach and you may get 5 more Ws. That's it. The combination of inexperience in some places and lack of talent in others couldn't have been overcome by coaching alone in this Covid plus season.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Mar 14, 2022 11:25:42 GMT -5
This. From someone who's not caught up in speculating about Ronny's role , in that anonymous rant supposedly by a player, so, from someone who's not a hater, by any measure. And, I've watched games closely and tried my best to give Ewing credit for certain coaching in-game actions. There is no excuse and it's unbelievable that Ewing is still here. No wins in 2022 can't be explained away by tribulations that other teams get past.
I have never made this statement. I have always said that Ewing deserves the majority of the blame. 70+%. But if you can't see the perfect f storm that happened this season you have been gaslighted into The Ewing Hate Mob.....you fill in the blank with whatever coach and you may get 5 more Ws. That's it. The combination of inexperience in some places and lack of talent in others couldn't have been overcome by coaching alone in this Covid plus season. We were one of the worst programs in all of Division 1. There was no perfect storm. Yes, we lost Tre King and I do not even fully blame Ewing for that (obviously, Ewing did not want King to get tossed either). But, you forget that Tre King isn't even in the conversation if Wahab did not unexpectedly transfer. Ewing has been unable to maintain his roster and lost multiple starts to transfer. There would have been no "perfect storm," if Ewing kept his players on board. The COVID excuse is really not a good one either. Every single program in Division I had to deal with COVID in one form or another. Other programs had pauses like ours, too, and did not finish among the worst in Division I, either. I do agree that it is unlikely any coach would have turned this roster into a tournament team this year, but, I actually do think that a good quality coach would have done a lot better. We had among the worst defenses in all of high-major basketball, I think a coach that could teach defense better could have easily won a few more games, at least. There is no Ewing Hate Mob. Rather, there are a bunch of us fans of the program who want to see success and realize Ewing will not get us there. After an 0-20 season, I think that's a fair position.
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Post by professorhoya on Mar 14, 2022 11:34:13 GMT -5
At least we got the #1 overall pick. NBA tanking strategy is key. Don't want to be mediocre forever like the Wizards or Washington CommandSkins.
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GUMBA
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Post by GUMBA on Mar 14, 2022 22:22:03 GMT -5
It’s Ewing’s roster. Full stop. Can’t blame it on III or the assistants. He needs to recruit and retain players. If someone leaves because of tough love or they don’t feel respected, it’s on the head coach. It was many of his stars and starters that left. That should tell you something right there. Every school in the Big East and Division I had to deal with COVID-19. That’s not an real excuse or a perfect storm. It merely shows our program couldn’t/didn’t adapt to the challenges that all the other programs were also facing. Pat recruited one his highest ranked classes last year. Apologists here say the are young pups. Give them another year. Yet Creighton starts three freshman and made it to the BE final and Tournament. Why? They have a system. They have a strong head coach. They also have great fan support. Our program has none of these things because of the way it is run. Good luck next year at home games with no Hoya fans left in the stands. Good luck with more transfer players nobody knows or cares about because young players don’t stick around on the Hilltop anymore. Good luck with Ewing, Orr and Thompson still heading up an irrelevant program that ranks at or near the bottom of the NCAA Division I. Winning the BET didn’t deserve the extension. Anyone in their right mind knew he had no leverage. He wasn’t going anywhere. The reason it wasn’t announced was because we would have all howled at how stupid it was. Cronyism, nepotism, favoritism. Whatever you want to call it. It’s malpractice. Plain and simple. I’m out. Again. I will be back in a year to see if the apologists and eternal optimists are still here saying Ewing deserves yet another year after winning a handful for conference games. I hope the money makes him feel better. It’s clear from his pressers that his ego is all that matters. Ewing is destroying his well earned reputation and all the incredible goodwill he had with me and many hardcore Hoya fans/alums I speak with. If losing 21 straight didn’t convince him he is not the right guy for the job. Nothing will.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Mar 14, 2022 23:16:45 GMT -5
No of course not. I desperately hoped I was misreading things and just discouraged after a bad game. Unfortunately my sense of the many deficiencies of this particular collection of players was not wrong. Its partly on the players but the bulk of the blame has to fall on the staff in my view.. Watching the games over the past two weeks really drives home how poorly coached, prepared & developed Gtown is right now. I certainly did not mean to excuse the many failings of the staff, which of course fall on the man in charge. I was just referring to the many one-dimensional players, the lack of balance, and the disjointed way the team was put together and therefore performed together.
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Mar 15, 2022 12:03:09 GMT -5
It’s Ewing’s roster. Full stop. Can’t blame it on III or the assistants. He needs to recruit and retain players. If someone leaves because of tough love or they don’t feel respected, it’s on the head coach. It was many of his stars and starters that left. That should tell you something right there. Every school in the Big East and Division I had to deal with COVID-19. That’s not an real excuse or a perfect storm. It merely shows our program couldn’t/didn’t adapt to the challenges that all the other programs were also facing. Pat recruited one his highest ranked classes last year. Apologists here say the are young pups. Give them another year. Yet Creighton starts three freshman and made it to the BE final and Tournament. Why? They have a system. They have a strong head coach. They also have great fan support. Our program has none of these things because of the way it is run. Good luck next year at home games with no Hoya fans left in the stands. Good luck with more transfer players nobody knows or cares about because young players don’t stick around on the Hilltop anymore. Good luck with Ewing, Orr and Thompson still heading up an irrelevant program that ranks at or near the bottom of the NCAA Division I. Winning the BET didn’t deserve the extension. Anyone in their right mind knew he had no leverage. He wasn’t going anywhere. The reason it wasn’t announced was because we would have all howled at how stupid it was. Cronyism, nepotism, favoritism. Whatever you want to call it. It’s malpractice. Plain and simple. I’m out. Again. I will be back in a year to see if the apologists and eternal optimists are still here saying Ewing deserves yet another year after winning a handful for conference games. I hope the money makes him feel better. It’s clear from his pressers that his ego is all that matters. Ewing is destroying his well earned reputation and all the incredible goodwill he had with me and many hardcore Hoya fans/alums I speak with. If losing 21 straight didn’t convince him he is not the right guy for the job. Nothing will. GUMBA, otherwise okay? (with apologies to John Cleese as Basil Fawlty).
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Post by lichoya68 on Apr 4, 2022 21:38:34 GMT -5
This. From someone who's not caught up in speculating about Ronny's role , in that anonymous rant supposedly by a player, so, from someone who's not a hater, by any measure. And, I've watched games closely and tried my best to give Ewing credit for certain coaching in-game actions. There is no excuse and it's unbelievable that Ewing is still here. No wins in 2022 can't be explained away by tribulations that other teams get past.
I have never made this statement. I have always said that Ewing deserves the majority of the blame. 70+%. But if you can't see the perfect f storm that happened this season you have been gaslighted into The Ewing Hate Mob.....you fill in the blank with whatever coach and you may get 5 more Ws. That's it. The combination of inexperience in some places and lack of talent in others couldn't have been overcome by coaching alone in this Covid plus season. . Agree perfect storm
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Post by lichoya68 on Apr 4, 2022 21:39:12 GMT -5
It is not the critic that counts;the man in the arena trying to do great things while stumbling and suffering defeat; the man on the sidelines crticizing the strong man, stating how the man in the arena could have done better..... I applaud the Hoyas! In such a season, they gave it their all! Agree.
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Post by hoyaboya on May 16, 2022 12:59:27 GMT -5
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Post by FromTheBeginning on May 16, 2022 13:48:18 GMT -5
Not excusing anything or anyone for this mess but saying "There is no Ewing Hate Mob" is as delusional as thinking there are no real problems with the program.
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Post by bigskyhoya on May 16, 2022 14:44:33 GMT -5
Not excusing anything or anyone for this mess but saying "There is no Ewing Hate Mob" is as delusional as thinking there are no real problems with the program. No hate and nothing personal from most of us who have been critical. Not sure a few posters make a mob.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on May 16, 2022 15:00:51 GMT -5
When your team goes 0-20 it’s not hate, it’s just gross incompetence. We could debate the merits of a coach who goes 10-10, but 0-20 is case closed.
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Post by hoyarooter on May 16, 2022 18:37:36 GMT -5
I take umbrage at that. How dare they say that our team was inept? What could possibly cause them to conclude that. What? 0-20? Never mind.
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Post by seaweed on May 17, 2022 4:31:19 GMT -5
When your team goes 0-20 it’s not hate, it’s just gross incompetence. We could debate the merits of a coach who goes 10-10, but 0-20 is case closed. Given the talent on our roster and the comparatively old BEast last year, how many wins would the best coaching have yielded?
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on May 17, 2022 6:48:35 GMT -5
When your team goes 0-20 it’s not hate, it’s just gross incompetence. We could debate the merits of a coach who goes 10-10, but 0-20 is case closed. Given the talent on our roster and the comparatively old BEast last year, how many wins would the best coaching have yielded? It’s a trick question in that a better coaching staff would have pieced together a more talented roster and retained players at a higher rate.
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Post by bigskyhoya on May 17, 2022 7:19:27 GMT -5
With a better coaching staff, our offensive and defensive schemes would have had some semblance of coherence, even if the roster was the same. That would translate to more wins.
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Post by prhoya on May 17, 2022 7:32:50 GMT -5
With a better coaching staff, our offensive and defensive schemes would have had some semblance of coherence, even if the roster was the same. That would translate to more wins. Exactly. I remember how excited the students and fans were before the Dartmouth game. It went downhill from there.
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Post by prhoya on May 17, 2022 7:42:12 GMT -5
Given the talent on our roster and the comparatively old BEast last year, how many wins would the best coaching have yielded? It’s a trick question in that a better coaching staff would have pieced together a more talented roster and retained players at a higher rate. Good catch. A better coaching staff than the one we had the previous 5 years wouldn’t have lost so much the previous two years, which led to Q’s handler’s making the transfer deal early in Q’s second semester.
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Post by bluegray79 on May 17, 2022 8:50:40 GMT -5
With a better coaching staff, our offensive and defensive schemes would have had some semblance of coherence, even if the roster was the same. That would translate to more wins. Exactly. I remember how excited the students and fans were before the Dartmouth game. It went downhill from there. Not pretending that last year wasn't a dumpster fire, I put some hope in the crowd at the Syracuse game. It was like the old days. I have a kid there and if we start putting up wins, those kids will fill those seats again. People love a winner, and college kids love a winner with players they see on campus and go to class with. Win and they will come.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on May 17, 2022 9:03:25 GMT -5
Given the talent on our roster and the comparatively old BEast last year, how many wins would the best coaching have yielded? It’s a trick question in that a better coaching staff would have pieced together a more talented roster and retained players at a higher rate. This is correct. I think it was Bill Parcells who had the comment about shopping for the groceries. Same thing here. For the team not to anticipate the age disparity and silliness of having a freshmen led squad last year in particular was criminal. Beard is the only one I would say you had to maintain a commitment to because he committed prior to his PG year. We needed to be old last year and crush the waiver wire. That didn't happen. We got caught with our proverbial pants down and that is on the GM who also happens to be the coach. I like Ewing and want him to succeed but now that our marquee freshman class of 5 is down to 2 after one year and they posted an 0-20, that is no bueno.
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