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Post by hoyaboya on Dec 21, 2021 23:21:06 GMT -5
You really believe our team of entirely vaccinated players is at any risk of serious illness? No. I believe they should be given a choice. Who says they don’t have a choice? You think anybody is putting a gun to their heads to play basketball? They are able to voluntarily leave the program at any time for any reason.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Dec 21, 2021 23:23:06 GMT -5
The basketball players are here to play basketball. They’re not going to want to shut it down to study. A number of players have aspirations of playing professionally next year.
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Post by tashoya on Dec 21, 2021 23:24:24 GMT -5
No. I believe they should be given a choice. Who says they don’t have a choice? You think anybody is putting a gun to their heads to play basketball? They are able to voluntarily leave the program at any time for any reason. Sure, one could frame it that way if one were exceedingly stupid or callous. Or, just continue to push their agenda against Georgetown basketball. You're tiresome. We all got your point long ago. I thought you just hated the coach. Apparently, your disinterest/lack of caring extends to the health of the players as well. Please, find a new hobby. Your one note posts were never persuasive. They're just grating and annoying at this point.
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Post by hoyaboya on Dec 21, 2021 23:29:57 GMT -5
Who says they don’t have a choice? You think anybody is putting a gun to their heads to play basketball? They are able to voluntarily leave the program at any time for any reason. Sure, one could frame it that way if one were exceedingly stupid or callous. Or, just continue to push their agenda against Georgetown basketball. You're tiresome. We all got your point long ago. I thought you just hated the coach. Apparently, your disinterest/lack of caring extends to the health of the players as well. Please, find a new hobby. Your one note posts were never persuasive. They're just grating and annoying at this point. Follow the science - vaccinated 18-24 year old Division I athletes that are in top physical condition are not at risk in any way, shape or form. Please show me evidence to the contrary. If they did think they were, they wouldn’t have to expose themselves if they didn’t want to. What is your point, other than name calling?
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Post by tashoya on Dec 21, 2021 23:35:01 GMT -5
Sure, one could frame it that way if one were exceedingly stupid or callous. Or, just continue to push their agenda against Georgetown basketball. You're tiresome. We all got your point long ago. I thought you just hated the coach. Apparently, your disinterest/lack of caring extends to the health of the players as well. Please, find a new hobby. Your one note posts were never persuasive. They're just grating and annoying at this point. Follow the science - vaccinated 18-24 year old Division I athletes that are in top physical condition are not at risk in any way, shape or form. Please show me evidence to the contrary. If they did think they were, they wouldn’t have to expose themselves if they didn’t want to. What is your point, other than name calling? Now you're talking about 2 different things. Scholarship athletes don't exactly have much of a say in anything. I'm saying, when it comes to their health and those with whom they have contact, maybe they should outside of forfeiting their scholarships. Please show me evidence that you're living in reality.
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Post by johnnysnowplow on Dec 21, 2021 23:42:41 GMT -5
Who says they don’t have a choice? You think anybody is putting a gun to their heads to play basketball? They are able to voluntarily leave the program at any time for any reason. Sure, one could frame it that way if one were exceedingly stupid or callous. Or, just continue to push their agenda against Georgetown basketball. You're tiresome. We all got your point long ago. I thought you just hated the coach. Apparently, your disinterest/lack of caring extends to the health of the players as well. Please, find a new hobby. Your one note posts were never persuasive. They're just grating and annoying at this point. I don’t typically agree with Mr Boya, but in this instance I happen to share his viewpoint. If anyone thinks these 18-22 year old kids give one iota of a crap about Covid and want anything other than to play basketball, that’s the definition of head in the sand. Healthy, vaccinated young men in peak physical condition are at very little risk of anything other than the sniffles. All these leagues, college and pro, that are taking any tact other than the NFL’s new stance are Editeding into the wind if the goal is to finish their seasons with relative normalcy.
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Post by tashoya on Dec 21, 2021 23:56:29 GMT -5
Sure, one could frame it that way if one were exceedingly stupid or callous. Or, just continue to push their agenda against Georgetown basketball. You're tiresome. We all got your point long ago. I thought you just hated the coach. Apparently, your disinterest/lack of caring extends to the health of the players as well. Please, find a new hobby. Your one note posts were never persuasive. They're just grating and annoying at this point. I don’t typically agree with Mr Boya, but in this instance I happen to share his viewpoint. If anyone thinks these 18-22 year old kids give one iota of a crap about Covid and want anything other than to play basketball, that’s the definition of head in the sand. Healthy, vaccinated young men in peak physical condition are at very little risk of anything other than the sniffles. All these leagues, college and pro, that are taking any tact other than the NFL’s new stance are Editeding into the wind if the goal is to finish their seasons with relative normalcy. Okay. But, do you think that scholarship athletes should have the option of not playing without losing their scholarship? And, no, they're not Editeding into the wind. Not everyone is being required to be vaccinated in college sports because, apparently, stupidity is now a valid argument against science.
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Post by tashoya on Dec 22, 2021 0:02:46 GMT -5
The only thing I'm trying to say here is that I choose the best choices for the health of our Hoyas over basketball. Full stop. Yes, I desperately want to see our current Hoyas play. And, the more they can play, the better. I was bummed by the Provvy cancellation. I want to see our guys play teams they're supposed to lose to to see how they respond. That said, this sh!t isn't in our rearview. Protect our Hoyas first and foremost. We'll get back to our new normal whenever it's possible. It's exceedingly clear that that time is not now. Yes, it sucks. But, it's the reality.
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Post by SDHoya on Dec 22, 2021 0:29:45 GMT -5
Without an ounce of inside information, I feel I can confidently state that just about every Hoya basketball player and staff is highly competitive and wants to resume play as soon as they are cleared to do so.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Dec 22, 2021 7:52:43 GMT -5
Like others, I am pretty confident that most if not all of our players want to continue playing, and I am sure that sentiment is true across all sports. When COVID first happened and there were a lot of unknowns, and no vaccines, that was one thing. But, we are now in a different world. To the extent that the guys can play safely, I think they should be able to go for it. tashoya, I do not disagree with you entirely. I think if a scholarship student feels uncomfortable competing, the university should honor the scholarship anyway. But, I think the number of athletes that would fall into that category are extremely low.
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Post by professorhoya on Dec 22, 2021 9:44:33 GMT -5
The only thing I'm trying to say here is that I choose the best choices for the health of our Hoyas over basketball. Full stop. Yes, I desperately want to see our current Hoyas play. And, the more they can play, the better. I was bummed by the Provvy cancellation. I want to see our guys play teams they're supposed to lose to to see how they respond. That said, this sh!t isn't in our rearview. Protect our Hoyas first and foremost. We'll get back to our new normal whenever it's possible. It's exceedingly clear that that time is not now. Yes, it sucks. But, it's the reality. True. I believe the worst is yet to come in January as it gets colder and after all the holiday travel. You look at what is happening in cold places like Germany and they have move to shutdown and games without fans. I think that trajectory is more realistic than South Africa because it's summer in South Africa. We've always known that COVID/corona is worse in winter so it was a shame that we still somehow were blindsided by COVID.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Dec 22, 2021 10:16:24 GMT -5
The players may be young and in great health, but coaches, referees and others are not.
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Post by johnnysnowplow on Dec 22, 2021 10:49:17 GMT -5
I don’t typically agree with Mr Boya, but in this instance I happen to share his viewpoint. If anyone thinks these 18-22 year old kids give one iota of a crap about Covid and want anything other than to play basketball, that’s the definition of head in the sand. Healthy, vaccinated young men in peak physical condition are at very little risk of anything other than the sniffles. All these leagues, college and pro, that are taking any tact other than the NFL’s new stance are Editeding into the wind if the goal is to finish their seasons with relative normalcy. Okay. But, do you think that scholarship athletes should have the option of not playing without losing their scholarship? And, no, they're not Editeding into the wind. Not everyone is being required to be vaccinated in college sports because, apparently, stupidity is now a valid argument against science. I’m not pontificating about whether or not athletes should lose their scholarship if they choose not to play. I also don’t think any scholarship athlete is going to opt out this year because of covid. It’s a moot point. These kids want to play. Full stop. My remark about Editeding in the wind is with regards to the way these leagues are handling things. I don’t see any other option for any of them (hoops conferences, nhl, nba) to finish their seasons with any semblance of normalcy than to adopt the NFLs stance of “if you’re vaccinated and show no symptoms, we’re not even going to bother testing you”. Every other league besides the nfl is facing mass amounts of postponements, cancellations, forfeits, etc. and if they think it’s going to get better after the holidays, that’s just completely misguided. The slog will continue unless they change their mindset
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Post by johnnysnowplow on Dec 22, 2021 10:55:27 GMT -5
The players may be young and in great health, but coaches, referees and others are not. Then they should ask to opt out if they’re uncomfortable. And if that’s not an option, then they should seek a new line of work. I think we’re quickly reaching a point in society as a whole where businesses are no longer going to allow covid to be an excuse. The vaccines are available. The boosters are available. If we don’t attempt to move back to some type of normal lifestyle and recognize that we need to learn how to live with this thing instead of being paralyzed with fear, we’re going to be stuck in the never ending loop of masks, testing, and shutdowns. I think the NFL has realized that and made its stance clear. I think other leagues and companies will ( and should) follow suit.
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Post by tashoya on Dec 22, 2021 11:24:14 GMT -5
The players may be young and in great health, but coaches, referees and others are not. Then they should ask to opt out if they’re uncomfortable. And if that’s not an option, then they should seek a new line of work. I think we’re quickly reaching a point in society as a whole where businesses are no longer going to allow covid to be an excuse. The vaccines are available. The boosters are available. If we don’t attempt to move back to some type of normal lifestyle and recognize that we need to learn how to live with this thing instead of being paralyzed with fear, we’re going to be stuck in the never ending loop of masks, testing, and shutdowns. I think the NFL has realized that and made its stance clear. I think other leagues and companies will ( and should) follow suit. Fair enough but I don't think any business should follow the NFL's example with regard to it's consideration of their employees' well-being. Everyone knows the NFL doesn't give a rip what happens to the players. Not exactly a business model anyone should strive to follow.
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Post by drquigley on Dec 22, 2021 11:25:45 GMT -5
In a perfect world I would agree that now that we have vaccines and better treatment for Covid-related illnesses we should just suck it up and get on with our lives. However, I live in the real world. In this world only 41% of my neighbors are vaccinated and the overwhelming majority refuse to wear masks. As a result our hospitals are overloaded, elective surgeries are cancelled, ambulances are being directed away to hospitals hours away, emergency rooms are packed and people are waiting on gurneys for hours before they can be treated, and our hospital staff are burning out. Playing basketball, or any other form of entertainment has to accept this fact and act accordingly. Sadly, I expect that by next month that will mean either cancelling seasons entirely or playing in gyms without fans. If this sounds too depressing I suggest you all visit your local hospital ER and ICU. For God's sake our President just announced that he is directing 1,000 active duty military to our hospitals to help. I just ask that as we continue to comment on this thread we keep all this in mind.
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Post by professorhoya on Dec 22, 2021 11:26:40 GMT -5
Then they should ask to opt out if they’re uncomfortable. And if that’s not an option, then they should seek a new line of work. I think we’re quickly reaching a point in society as a whole where businesses are no longer going to allow covid to be an excuse. The vaccines are available. The boosters are available. If we don’t attempt to move back to some type of normal lifestyle and recognize that we need to learn how to live with this thing instead of being paralyzed with fear, we’re going to be stuck in the never ending loop of masks, testing, and shutdowns. I think the NFL has realized that and made its stance clear. I think other leagues and companies will ( and should) follow suit. Fair enough but I don't think any business should follow the NFL's example with regard to it's consideration of their employees' well-being. Everyone knows the NFL doesn't give a rip what happens to the players. Not exactly a business model anyone should strive to follow. Yeah, Goodell care's about nothing but protecting bad owners like Daniel Snyder while targeting non owners like Jon Gruden, etc.
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Post by HometownHoya on Dec 22, 2021 11:46:51 GMT -5
Sad day. Wish we could see the guys on the court today. They've been trending up and I'm hopeful this week off will let them rest, regenerate, and refocus. We have some good pieces, just need to step it up. While I hope we come out of this COVID break similar to last year's, I'm not as confident since we still have all of BE play to go. Last year's break was at a perfect time after having gotten through the meat of BE play and the team was able to rest up while other teams were still beating up on each other. At the very least though, this time will give Dante and Tim more time to heal, a chance for everyone to enjoy the holidays with family, and plenty of time to get in the gym. Go Hoyas! Beat COVID
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Post by hoyaboya on Dec 22, 2021 13:39:38 GMT -5
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Post by hoyaboya on Dec 22, 2021 13:42:31 GMT -5
While some suggest the latest surge may trigger the return of such protocols, the college athletics world—including some medical experts—believes the opposite: Protocols should be further relaxed in response to a strain that, while more contagious, has shown far less severity of illness than its troubling predecessor, delta. In fact, NCAA leaders have been in conversation with officials from the CDC about adjusting the mandatory 10-day quarantine for young people who test positive, multiple physicians and college administrators tell Sports Illustrated. Their argument? Vaccinated young people are showing either no symptoms or very mild symptoms, and their symptoms are subsiding within two to three days. “The question that needs to be asked is, if the risk of severe illness—hospitalization, death, dying—is not there, if we’re not seeing that, how is this different than the common cold?” asks Jeff Dugas, Troy’s team doctor and an orthopedic surgeon in Birmingham who chairs the Sun Belt’s COVID-19 advisory panel. “Do we need to be freaking out just because it is a variant of COVID-19? Do we need to apply the same rules or change the rules?” www.si.com/college/2021/12/22/college-sports-omicron-protocols
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