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Post by wsdhoya on Dec 9, 2021 17:39:44 GMT -5
Games against Cuse are always winnable. If you can shoot over the zone you always have a chance. The issue will be our inability to get the ball inside, which will allow them to extend the zone and suffocate us. I definitely think it will be an ugly loss but if our streaky shooters streak they can keep us in it. Cuse is not a good team.
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Post by hoya73 on Dec 9, 2021 17:41:53 GMT -5
Think I'd position Aminu on the baseline against the zone Syracuse is using, more a 1-3-1 than the 2-3 we've seen for years. That would give him a good position to be in for threes, midrange shots and for drives that don't go though the teeth of the zone. And for offensive boards/putbacks.
I fear turnovers on what he has done playing dribble penetration from the elbow in games to date.
Jesse Edwards is real key for their 1-3-1, being the one defender on the baseline. Get some fouls on him early, if we can.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Dec 9, 2021 17:48:14 GMT -5
Jesse Edwards is real key for their 1-3-1, being the one defender on the baseline. Get some fouls on him early, if we can. The 1-3-1 can be challenging for freshmen on their first game with it and Georgetown likes a up and down, Kenner-style defense which the Boeheims will not do. Georgetown has shot well from three in each of the last three meetings but their two-point shooting has lagged. Donald Carey will need to provide some leadership in the mid-range.
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Post by hoyainla on Dec 9, 2021 18:06:37 GMT -5
I think Holloway or Carey are the best fits in the middle. I am just not sure you can play Holloway as the small ball 5 which would have to be his fit in this. He has not shown to be athletic enough to rebound against the better teams. He has feasted on the cupcakes. I think Edwards would give him fits. I do not trust our rebounding with a 4/5 of Rice and Holloway. If you play him at the 4 what do you do with Rice and Aminu? I think Don is more of a natural fit especially against the current Cuse lineup. We don't beat Nova if he didn't do what he did against JRE. In the things that led to us beating Nova I would rank that about #47. it's hard to give that much credit to a guy that played 7 minutes had 0 points and 1 rebound and the guy you are saying he had a big impact on had 26 on 13 shots. He also had the worst DRtg on the night. He certainly played a part especially with Bile being awful that night but let's not get carried away. I like Colin and wish every guy had his IQ. He is just pretty athletically limited against the big boys.
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Post by tashoya on Dec 9, 2021 22:00:58 GMT -5
Holloway can shoot and he can be physical. He's not the most athletically gifted but he's skilled for a guy that hasn't played all that much. I'd at least give him a shot at playing in the middle backing up Kaiden. If it doesn't work, pull him.
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Post by tribeninerhoya on Dec 10, 2021 8:09:55 GMT -5
I'm going to go out on a limb and say that if KRice shoots 10-12 from deep again, we'll win.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Dec 10, 2021 8:54:42 GMT -5
Stick Aminu on Buddy, Stick Harris & Beard on Girard and don't let him get any space. Outside of that, just weather the ups and downs. I think we will see big scoring swings in this one and just hope our shooters bring it. If Aminu can draw fouls when he penetrates, they are very thin and only go about 6 deep. The rivalry alone leads me to believe we have a shot.
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Post by mfk24 on Dec 10, 2021 9:33:48 GMT -5
Holloway can shoot and he can be physical. He's not the most athletically gifted but he's skilled for a guy that hasn't played all that much. I'd at least give him a shot at playing in the middle backing up Kaiden. If it doesn't work, pull him. Kaiden has to stay on the perimeter to launch from deep. Of the starters, I’d put Carey or Mo on the FT line. I also like Ryan there too when he’s in the game because he’s a huge target, he’ll keep the ball high and can hit that 12 footer. Holloway is a good choice too as he’s a high IQ, level headed guy so should make smart decisions and not panic when the zone collapses. Will be interesting to see if Dante can dribble into the gaps and make good interior passes, as Ewing likes to screen the top of the zone. There was a great out of bounds play against UMBC where Dante had both feet in the paint, defender came at him and he passed to Malcolm for a dunk which is the sort of passing that can cripple a zone.
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Post by professorhoya on Dec 10, 2021 9:59:37 GMT -5
Stick Aminu on Buddy, Stick Harris & Beard on Girard and don't let him get any space. Outside of that, just weather the ups and downs. I think we will see big scoring swings in this one and just hope our shooters bring it. If Aminu can draw fouls when he penetrates, they are very thin and only go about 6 deep. The rivalry alone leads me to believe we have a shot. You have to guard Jimmy Boeheim. He's shooting 44% from 3 in 9 games. We have to be able to limit Jimmy, Buddy and Girard from going off from 3. I would give them the lane and let them try to get 2 and deal with Malcolm and Mutombo in the middle. But we cannot let them hit 3s'. Whether we can do that or not is going to decide the game.
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Post by rhw485 on Dec 10, 2021 10:26:05 GMT -5
This game always has a little extra energy. Hopefully the atmosphere tomorrow continues that tradition. - Agree with others that calling it a 2-3 zone at this point seems outdated or really undersells what they do. They have plenty of different variations and will alter based on what they see as your plan of attack. And there are only so many different ways to attack so they usually have a counter.
- I was able to catch most of the Auburn game, and what jumped out to me (other than Jabari Smith trash talking Boeheim and becoming my favorite non-Hoya) was their lack of athleticism along the backline as compared to other years. Auburn had 7 dunks in the game, and a lot of it was once the ball entered the middle it was an immediate lob. If you try to make a bounce pass and have someone gather and go up, the Cuse wings have enough time to crash down. But if you have athletes stationed along the baseline though, there's not much they can do once the balls in the air it's almost always going to be a foul if they're trailing. We actually have the personnel to replicate some of that for the first time in a while.
- I've also been generally impressed with the plan of attack against the zone. Some teams get too caught up and constantly just pass the ball around the perimeter trying to find the guy at the elbow. While there will certainly be some of that, we've done a good job screening the top of the zone to create driving lanes, and we've also done a good job screening the back line to get some entries into our bigs. Would probably see less of that this year given the makeup of the squad but Ewing has shown creativity here
- In terms of the "middle", I do see this team as more of a dribble-drive type of attack from Dante and Aminu as opposed to parking somewhere there at all times. If we do have someone parked there at times, my gut is Aminu. It will be a big challenge of his decision making and willingness to pass, but our centers can't handle it and putting Carey or Rice there minimizes their value some. Dante is the other option, I know Chris Wright did it but not ready to go there. I could see sets where Rice starts middle, screens the top of the zone and then pops to the top of the key. I would imagine that's difficult for the zone to handle
- On defense...Buddy Boeheim is one of those Myles Powell type of shooters that can consistently hit 3s curling off screens without needing to set his feet much. If we simply trail the shooter and don't give any help, it could be a long night. I'm also curious who Ewing sees as his best defender, does Aminu get that assignment? That'd be my gut
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Post by tashoya on Dec 10, 2021 10:34:29 GMT -5
Stick Aminu on Buddy, Stick Harris & Beard on Girard and don't let him get any space. Outside of that, just weather the ups and downs. I think we will see big scoring swings in this one and just hope our shooters bring it. If Aminu can draw fouls when he penetrates, they are very thin and only go about 6 deep. The rivalry alone leads me to believe we have a shot. You have to guard Jimmy Boeheim. He's shooting 44% from 3 in 9 games. We have to be able to limit Jimmy, Buddy and Girard from going off from 3. I would give them the lane and let them try to get 2 and deal with Malcolm and Mutombo in the middle. But we cannot let them hit 3s'. Whether we can do that or not is going to decide the game. Fair but Jimmy has a grand total of 27 3PA this season. We should do our best to force the threes to come from Buddy. He's shooting about 25% on the year from 3 on 62 attempts. Hopefully, he'll continue to be bad. By contrast, Girard is shooting the lights out at a 54% clip on 56 attempts.
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Post by professorhoya on Dec 10, 2021 10:44:40 GMT -5
You have to guard Jimmy Boeheim. He's shooting 44% from 3 in 9 games. We have to be able to limit Jimmy, Buddy and Girard from going off from 3. I would give them the lane and let them try to get 2 and deal with Malcolm and Mutombo in the middle. But we cannot let them hit 3s'. Whether we can do that or not is going to decide the game. Fair but Jimmy has a grand total of 27 3PA this season. We should do our best to force the threes to come from Buddy. He's shooting about 25% on the year from 3 on 62 attempts. Hopefully, he'll continue to be bad. By contrast, Girard is shooting the lights out at a 54% clip on 56 attempts. Didn't Buddy kill us from 3 last year? I think we can all agree that he's a good 3pt shooter (who is in a slump). I would not just give him open 3s. All 3 of those guys, Boeheim, Boeheim and Girard need to be guarded tight on the perimeter.
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Post by tashoya on Dec 10, 2021 10:47:49 GMT -5
Fair but Jimmy has a grand total of 27 3PA this season. We should do our best to force the threes to come from Buddy. He's shooting about 25% on the year from 3 on 62 attempts. Hopefully, he'll continue to be bad. By contrast, Girard is shooting the lights out at a 54% clip on 56 attempts. Didn't Buddy kill us from 3 last year? I think we can all agree that he's a good 3pt shooter (who is in a slump). I would not just give him open 3s. All 3 of those guys, Boeheim, Boeheim and Girard need to be guarded tight on the perimeter. I don't disagree. I'm only saying that, up to this point, Buddy has been horrible from 2 and from 3. Given the choice of who is taking the shots (assuming not everyone can be tightly covered on every shot), give the shots to the guy who has been laying bricks all season. With regard to last year, Buddy had an excellent game but it's not like he went for 40. Dante had a bad game that day as it was early in the year and he had yet to make the strides he's made since then. To me, that was the larger difference-maker.
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Post by Lethal_Interjection on Dec 10, 2021 11:05:40 GMT -5
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Post by hoyarooter on Dec 10, 2021 20:03:02 GMT -5
I have very low expectations for this game (despite my prediction that we will win 81-26). I fully expect the Boheem brothers and Girard to light it up from 3 against us, because let's face it, practically every team we have played has had at least one guy who did that, and all 3 of the Cuse guys are fully capable of it. If we can get Edwards in early foul trouble, we may have a chance to hang with them.
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Post by vv83 on Dec 10, 2021 20:49:32 GMT -5
I have very low expectations for this game (despite my prediction that we will win 81-26). I fully expect the Boheem brothers and Girard to light it up from 3 against us, because let's face it, practically every team we have played has had at least one guy who did that, and all 3 of the Cuse guys are fully capable of it. If we can get Edwards in early foul trouble, we may have a chance to hang with them. Buddy B. has been ice cold from three. The odds that he heats up tomorrow have to be very high, unfortunately. I'm just looking for us to play competitive 40 minute games against major conference/good teams. We have not done this yet. tomorrow would be a good time to start. We hung with SD State for 30 minutes, but then fell apart in the final 10 minutes. Let's at least keep this game in doubt until the final 4 minutes or so, and then see if we can pull it out. Syracuse is not a bad matchup for us because they don't have big low post scorers who can exploit our inexperience/lack of bulk and strength at the 5 (especially with Tim out injured). They'll have to beat us with 3 point shooting - which they are fully capable of doing. But we should not see the parade of dunks that we saw against South Carolina.
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Post by BeantownHoya on Dec 10, 2021 21:18:31 GMT -5
Line is Cuse -3.5 O/U 156.5
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Post by professorhoya on Dec 10, 2021 21:56:59 GMT -5
Actually against a 2-3, having Mutumbo up high at the circle might work as he's a big target to kick it into and then he can also hit the midrange. Then you have Aminu on the baseline.
Given that Dante hasn't perfected his Curtis Staples 3pt shot yet that might be our weakness in attacking the 2-3. However with the 1-3-1, Dante should be very effective in breaking that down.
Basically Syracuse is in trouble with the personnel they have against our offense but I think it comes down to whether we can limit the 3's from Boeheim, Boehiem and Girard. The only way they can beat us is to outshoot us from 3, but that can easily happen.
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Post by professorhoya on Dec 10, 2021 21:59:54 GMT -5
I have very low expectations for this game (despite my prediction that we will win 81-26). I fully expect the Boheem brothers and Girard to light it up from 3 against us, because let's face it, practically every team we have played has had at least one guy who did that, and all 3 of the Cuse guys are fully capable of it. If we can get Edwards in early foul trouble, we may have a chance to hang with them. Buddy B. has been ice cold from three. The odds that he heats up tomorrow have to be very high, unfortunately. . Yup this is the old chestnut, we made him an NBA player from 3 that has happened all season. (of course alot of teams have made Kaiden Rice an NBA player) He's a career 36% 3pt shooter and the last two seasons has hit 3 3pters a game, so at some point he will return to the mean.
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Post by dchoya72 on Dec 11, 2021 6:02:44 GMT -5
What is the injury status of Kobe Clark? Does anyone know for sure?
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