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Post by professorhoya on Dec 3, 2021 16:54:05 GMT -5
This is why I always wanted Turgeon to have enough success to stick around for awhile. Agreed, the best case for us is that Maryland has a coach who focuses his recruiting nationally instead of locally, and who is just good enough to not get fired. Turgeon and staff did pull some solid local players over the years, but he was certainly not the worst case scenario for us. Will be interesting to see where this goes. Meanwhile we have at least one open spot on the roster after King's departure and they have at least a couple players worth a look (and that we recruited previously). Lol, do we take Q back? Or did he use up his one free transfer.
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Post by professorhoya on Dec 3, 2021 16:59:59 GMT -5
I suppose that those who can transfer would have a good case for an immediate waiver.
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Post by SDHoya on Dec 3, 2021 17:03:19 GMT -5
That's true. Our local recruiting is non existent. HA! All of you are right about Georgetown not being able to recruit local 5 star players too, but there's a larger margin for error when Maryland is in the same boat One might point out the obvious that Georgetown LITERALLY has a local 5* on its current roster (Aminu).
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Post by njhoya78 on Dec 3, 2021 17:06:23 GMT -5
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Post by professorhoya on Dec 3, 2021 17:08:51 GMT -5
HA! All of you are right about Georgetown not being able to recruit local 5 star players too, but there's a larger margin for error when Maryland is in the same boat One might point out the obvious that Georgetown LITERALLY has a local 5* on its current roster (Aminu). That's so painful for them that they have blocked it out of their memory just like the 2021 Big East championship run.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Dec 3, 2021 17:14:25 GMT -5
As long as Wahab is under the sway of his handler, there's no way he would come back to Georgetown, and even if not, it's highly unlikely. That would be essentially admitting they were wrong to leave in the first place, and people have a hard time admitting they are wrong. While I would welcome Wahab back with open arms, I think it's more likely we land a 5 star recruit tomorrow than get him back.
Also, given that he already transferred, I do not believe he can transfer and play immediately without a waiver, anyway.
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Post by iowa80 on Dec 3, 2021 17:15:02 GMT -5
Hopefully there’s too much respect for Patrick for any “fire” chants. III didn’t really deserve them either but he wasn’t on Hoya Mt. Rushmore like Pat. It would be nice if Ewing the coach actually earned this respect. When it comes to "fire" chants at games, Ewing the player and Ewing the coach are inseparable. I get that you don't understand that. He may not have "earned" the right to remain as coach by virtue of his status as a player, but he has earned the right not to be disrespected at games.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Dec 3, 2021 17:16:20 GMT -5
It would be nice if Ewing the coach actually earned this respect. When it comes to "fire" chants at games, Ewing the player and Ewing the coach are inseparable. I get that you don't understand that. To people that were Georgetown fans in the early 1980s. I don't think that's true of younger fans who never saw him in a Georgetown uniform. Personally, I do not like "fire" chants though I suppose it can build pressure when it's needed.
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Post by professorhoya on Dec 3, 2021 17:19:04 GMT -5
As long as Wahab is under the sway of his handler, there's no way he would come back to Georgetown, and even if not, it's highly unlikely. That would be essentially admitting they were wrong to leave in the first place, and people have a hard time admitting they are wrong. While I would welcome Wahab back with open arms, I think it's more likely we land a 5 star recruit tomorrow than get him back. Also, given that he already transferred, I do not believe he can transfer and play immediately without a waiver, anyway. Free transfer rule just means you don't need a waiver. But I could see Q pretty easily getting a waiver, if he went back to his former coach on top of his current coach having stepped down.
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Post by prhoya on Dec 3, 2021 17:21:16 GMT -5
HA! All of you are right about Georgetown not being able to recruit local 5 star players too, but there's a larger margin for error when Maryland is in the same boat One might point out the obvious that Georgetown LITERALLY has a local 5* on its current roster (Aminu). You mean en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mr._Show-Me_Basketball 2021?
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Post by Lethal_Interjection on Dec 3, 2021 17:23:53 GMT -5
As long as Wahab is under the sway of his handler, there's no way he would come back to Georgetown, and even if not, it's highly unlikely. That would be essentially admitting they were wrong to leave in the first place, and people have a hard time admitting they are wrong. While I would welcome Wahab back with open arms, I think it's more likely we land a 5 star recruit tomorrow than get him back. Also, given that he already transferred, I do not believe he can transfer and play immediately without a waiver, anyway. Free transfer rule just means you don't need a waiver. But I could see Q pretty easily getting a waiver, if he went back to his former coach on top of his current coach having stepped down. Did he burn any bridges with Ewing or his teammates on the way out?
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Post by professorhoya on Dec 3, 2021 17:29:35 GMT -5
Free transfer rule just means you don't need a waiver. But I could see Q pretty easily getting a waiver, if he went back to his former coach on top of his current coach having stepped down. Did he burn any bridges with Ewing or his teammates on the way out? I mean on our side we were pretty upset at his treachery but I think his claim to his teammates was that he wanted to stay but the deal with Turgeon was sealed back in December when we were losing and before the team turned it around in January and during the BET tourney. And it was too late at that point (After BET) for him to stay even though he wanted to. That's what the insider's were saying. With Tre King gone and Big Tim injured obviously it would be a mutually beneficial situation if he could play in January.
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Post by SDHoya on Dec 3, 2021 17:30:59 GMT -5
Or the one who was first team all-WCAC?
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Post by prhoya on Dec 3, 2021 17:41:58 GMT -5
Or the one who was first team all-WCAC? Not 2021
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Post by Thomas on Dec 3, 2021 17:43:55 GMT -5
Aminu is tricky because he only played 1 year of high school ball in the D.C. area, and that was his freshman year(2017-2018) at Carroll, Missouri may consider him a local player too. But for the most part, the elite local players from the area have avoided Georgetown and Maryland for a while now!
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Post by hoyainla on Dec 3, 2021 18:16:42 GMT -5
When the writing is on the wall and it's time to go you make the change. It doesn't matter if you made the tournament the previous year or not. It's about how the program should be performing versus how it is. I was more questioning your "big time basket ball" and applying it to MD. They ain't that good... Fair enough. A school where they run the program like a big time team would. Not one that has the central goal of keeping a legacy alive.
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Post by hoyainla on Dec 3, 2021 18:18:31 GMT -5
I'm assuming Maryland made the move now to avoid Turgeon pulling another "Turgeon" meaning his teams would suffer some bad losses in November, then turn around and upset 2 or 3 highly ranked Big 10 teams and make the NCAA tournament as a 6 or 7 seed, which would justify him keeping his job!! There's no doubt that Maryland would have done that again this season, and the boosters weren't going to let it happen again. This what some around here refer too as a good season that shows hope for the future until the next season. Everything except the making the tournament as an at large part of the equation.
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Post by the_way on Dec 3, 2021 18:30:16 GMT -5
Turgeon was a solid coach, but was never up to par for what Maryland expects of itself. Maryland thinks it is Kentucky. Not because of history/tradition, but because of the DMV recruiting base. They thought they were going to get Sean Miller only to settle for Turgeon.
His recruiting left a lot to be desired. His weakness was roster-construction and getting the right pieces. This year's team barely has any reliable outside shooters. He was baffled that they couldn't score at times this year. Not surprising given the roster.
Who Maryland hires, doesn't effect us. Both programs can be successful. And have been successful at the same time in the past.
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Post by iowa80 on Dec 3, 2021 18:32:38 GMT -5
Aminu is tricky because he only played 1 year of high school ball in the D.C. area, and that was his freshman year(2017-2018) at Carroll, Missouri may consider him a local player too. But for the most part, the elite local players from the area have avoided Georgetown and Maryland for a while now! Meanwhile, Mike Jones is an Assistant HC in beautiful Blacksburg VA.
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Post by daveg023 on Dec 3, 2021 18:47:13 GMT -5
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