95hoya
Golden Hoya (over 1000 posts)
Posts: 1,299
|
Post by 95hoya on Dec 4, 2021 16:01:52 GMT -5
The first part of what is in bold is dead on. The second part is not remotely close to anything that is a fact. I guess Instagram and Twitter aren't a thing where you are or not following any local prep hoop folks. Hoya coaches are all over the place. That is a fact. I know you can't ever want to believe it, but also can tell you aren't in the DMV and don't go to any game with top players, particularly live periods. I have friends who coach and scout locally. Who cares if Hoyas coaches are at games. You act like these local coaches and trainers can only have relationships with one school. The fact you see these coaches at games means zero to me. They are further down the list of schools these coaches have relationships with. And that's direct info, not second hand. Doesn't mean we can't get kids. We just aren't among the favorites. If Maryland makes the right hire they could jump back to the top. That's how this business works.
|
|
CTHoya08
Diamond Hoya (over 2500 posts)
Bring back Izzo!
Posts: 2,859
|
Post by CTHoya08 on Dec 4, 2021 16:28:34 GMT -5
I’m far from an expert on this stuff, but I want to make two suggestions: (a) “Kids want to go away to school” might be the general state of affairs among DMV recruits these days, but I don’t think we should just throw up our hands and accept that it must be that way. What can we do to make them want to stay local? There has to be some appeal that can grab some of these kids, and obviously we aren’t successfully making whatever pitch that is. A new or different recruiter might be able to make that connection. (b) The fact that recruit-to-recruit relationships are what have brought in some of our top local guys in (relatively) recent history is all the more reason to focus on bringing in some local kids, even if we aren’t in a position to convince the five-star kids to stay home yet. Not everyone on our roster is going to be a starter, or even a heavy rotation guy. Instead of criss-crossing the country to land the players who become our 11th-through-13th guys, why not focus on some of those local kids for whom we’d be the best offer? Surely out of the dozens of prospects in the DMV, there are some who would rather come to GU than have a bigger role at an A-10 or CAA school. It seems to me that signing a couple kids like this would have two salutary effects. First, it would potentially start to build a pipeline, which (either through recruiter-to-coach or player-to-player connections) could put us in better position to land some of the bigger local prospects. Second, it might free up some of the staff’s recruiting time, energy, and budget to devote to efforts to recruit the really big fish. I know that’s it’s not truly zero-sum, because a lot of the national recruits (whether top tier or middle tier) are at the same AAU tournaments, so the staff is going to Peach Jam or whatever regardless, but it seems like there must be something to be gained from signing some end-of-the-bench guys from PG County instead of from Louisiana or wherever. I'm from PG County and: a) Glad that we have 2 starters from PG right now, and almost always have at last one PG County guy on our bench, or in a more prominent role. b) Wondering who in PG County was neglected but was as good a prospect as Fat Boy, when we made Holloway from Louisiana our last, or one of our last, signings for last year's freshman class? Like saxagael, I'll say: name a name. c) Close enough to DC to wonder which 2022 Coolidge player is worthy of a GU scholarship but being ignored, causing his coach to snark. I assume that’s you’re talking about Mohammed and Carey here? I don’t think that we can really count a guy who played only his freshman year of high-school ball locally as a “local recruit.” And didn’t Carey play at not one, but two other schools first? Neither is exactly a strong exhibit in support of local-recruiting acumen.
|
|
iowa80
Golden Hoya (over 1000 posts)
Posts: 2,399
|
Post by iowa80 on Dec 4, 2021 17:51:28 GMT -5
The first part of what is in bold is dead on. The second part is not remotely close to anything that is a fact. I guess Instagram and Twitter aren't a thing where you are or not following any local prep hoop folks. Hoya coaches are all over the place. That is a fact. I know you can't ever want to believe it, but also can tell you aren't in the DMV and don't go to any game with top players, particularly live periods. I realize the accusation is that our coaches aren't working the area, and that this may well be wrong. However, absent results, it really begs the main question centered on locals actually coming to Georgetown. Regarding recruits looking for a stepping stone to a pro career, maybe, just maybe, we should consider whether it's possible to win with recruits who are realistic about whether their next stop is the pros and actually see value in Georgetown. I simply don't believe that has to be the case, and I think that there are a number of programs from private schools that illustrate that.
|
|
prhoya
Blue & Gray (over 10,000 posts)
Posts: 23,293
|
Post by prhoya on Dec 5, 2021 10:36:47 GMT -5
He learned that from one of the best in that area. Who? John Thompson, Jr.
|
|
saxagael
Platinum Hoya (over 5000 posts)
Posts: 6,895
|
Post by saxagael on Dec 5, 2021 14:38:06 GMT -5
The first part of what is in bold is dead on. The second part is not remotely close to anything that is a fact. I guess Instagram and Twitter aren't a thing where you are or not following any local prep hoop folks. Hoya coaches are all over the place. That is a fact. I know you can't ever want to believe it, but also can tell you aren't in the DMV and don't go to any game with top players, particularly live periods. To me the 1st part puts a big dent in the “kids just want to get away from home” narrative I’m sure Gtown coaches are attending games, practices, live events ect. but that goes for 99% of the HM programs out there right? It’s what’s being done behind the scenes of these recruitments that’s in question Pretty easy to see following players and local recruiting coverage, as players talk about if they are getting long discussions, taking unofficial visits to campus, etc. Right now Hoyas aren't talking talks with Isaiah Coleman deep, but Maryland is. Coleman can take games over, but Maryland is talking about him as a 6'6" player and moving him to point guard (he isn't). That tells me Maryland is stacked where he would slot in, or doesn't like his current play. Coleman is a 4 star and I've seen him a few times and in high school he is unstoppable. Coleman says he has talked with Hoya coaches a few times, but not deeply. Fit is a huge part of recruiting. Talking a player because they are local and don't fit the coaching or play style is boneheaded (Turgeon did that quite a bit). No idea why Hoyas aren't hot on him. He is ball heavy and needs it in his hands, but isn't a point guard, but can slash and shoot. Defense is a bit of an issue, but the rest of Coleman's team is solid defensively. Patrick requires defense. But, who knows. Hoyas are hot on some other local prospects and are showing a lot of attention. Folks on this board don't understand fit, they get location, which with a few hundred D1 players and most teams get it down to 15 to 25 and then shave from there, the coaches / recruiters are looking for the best for their program, and most don't really care where they are from. Georgetown always has picked up some local talent. They get the kids that aren't interested in away from home only. It is pretty much down to Hoyas and Terps for the top players and both programs have different styles and approaches. Keep in mind, most recruiting of a player is done over 4 to 6 years. Some players as they get to mid-high school have gone from being tall for their age to average or their games stop progressing. But, others grow into being really good players. Coaches keep touch with their local school and travel coaches, trainers, and players. Hoya coaches / recruiters are out there and in the gyms. Ewing and his staff with this freshman class have shown they have grown into recruiting and built on Kirby, but also Crouch with his training of top local players has insights and long history with a lot of the top local players and his old gym still keeps those connections strong. A lot of players look at growth of players in a program and Crouch at Georgetown has been providing that. Players see the change in Pickett and where he is, but Dante's transition last year has a lot of local players talking a lot and pointing to Georgetown and saying that is what they want out of a program, many of them aslo say they have no interest in playing near home. But, if local top players are saying it, other are as well. With Maryland moving out of the ACC the Big 10 teams are recruiting the DMV hard.
|
|
saxagael
Platinum Hoya (over 5000 posts)
Posts: 6,895
|
Post by saxagael on Dec 5, 2021 14:44:22 GMT -5
The first part of what is in bold is dead on. The second part is not remotely close to anything that is a fact. I guess Instagram and Twitter aren't a thing where you are or not following any local prep hoop folks. Hoya coaches are all over the place. That is a fact. I know you can't ever want to believe it, but also can tell you aren't in the DMV and don't go to any game with top players, particularly live periods. I have friends who coach and scout locally. Who cares if Hoyas coaches are at games. You act like these local coaches and trainers can only have relationships with one school. The fact you see these coaches at games means zero to me. They are further down the list of schools these coaches have relationships with. And that's direct info, not second hand. Doesn't mean we can't get kids. We just aren't among the favorites. If Maryland makes the right hire they could jump back to the top. That's how this business works. Same here. Hoyas have strong relathionships with most of the WCAC school and are rather tight with them. Some schools they don't have interest in as much. Publicly you see Hoya coaches and recruiters at game and it is easy to verify that. They are also in practices and private runs a lot (many of the top high school coaches are in there too). Hoya recruiters know the type of player they are looking for, which is offense and defense. That narrows down who they look at, particularly in the DMV.
|
|
saxagael
Platinum Hoya (over 5000 posts)
Posts: 6,895
|
Post by saxagael on Dec 5, 2021 14:55:48 GMT -5
The first part of what is in bold is dead on. The second part is not remotely close to anything that is a fact. I guess Instagram and Twitter aren't a thing where you are or not following any local prep hoop folks. Hoya coaches are all over the place. That is a fact. I know you can't ever want to believe it, but also can tell you aren't in the DMV and don't go to any game with top players, particularly live periods. I realize the accusation is that our coaches aren't working the area, and that this may well be wrong. However, absent results, it really begs the main question centered on locals actually coming to Georgetown. Regarding recruits looking for a stepping stone to a pro career, maybe, just maybe, we should consider whether it's possible to win with recruits who are realistic about whether their next stop is the pros and actually see value in Georgetown. I simply don't believe that has to be the case, and I think that there are a number of programs from private schools that illustrate that. If you know high school students (ball players or not) and how many want to "get away from home for college" you are likely going to hit 1 in 10 or 20, unless it is a rural state, where kids tend to stay local. But, basketball players are no different. Understand high school kids and you quickly realize how silly it is to think, Hoyas can keep players at home. There are some who will have interest in staying local, but the "get away from home" urge is strong these days. Hoyas have interest nationally and recruit that way, as they finally have been getting longer deep relationships maturing (recruiting a players is around a 6 year process, officially college coaches can't talk to the player until after their freshman high school season, but they talk with coaches and trainers to see what a player is like if they are a standout). Getting over that no interest in staying home and narrowing to those willing to stay is the reality. Some are willing to come back and a player's situation may change and consider staying local and Hoyas coaches do seem to keep friendly to players who want to get out of Dodge.
|
|
DanMcQ
Moderator
Posts: 30,539
|
Post by DanMcQ on Dec 10, 2021 12:47:49 GMT -5
|
|
DanMcQ
Moderator
Posts: 30,539
|
Post by DanMcQ on Dec 11, 2021 23:01:55 GMT -5
|
|
guru
Platinum Hoya (over 5000 posts)
Posts: 6,600
|
Post by guru on Dec 12, 2021 0:41:53 GMT -5
Odd that JT3 didn't attend the ceremony for the renaming of the court after his father. Ronny was a no-show, too.
|
|
hoyas315
Diamond Hoya (over 2500 posts)
Posts: 3,096
|
Post by hoyas315 on Jan 13, 2022 15:44:08 GMT -5
|
|
njhoya78
Platinum Hoya (over 5000 posts)
Posts: 7,769
|
Post by njhoya78 on Jan 13, 2022 16:30:09 GMT -5
The original release from UMCP indicated that Shingler had been suspended for violating his employment contract with the university...who knew that offering compensation in solicitation of extramarital intimate companionship is a violation of an employment contract? I guess morals clauses are now part of the standard coaching contract in College Park since Gary Williams retired.
|
|