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Post by prhoya on Dec 4, 2021 9:31:19 GMT -5
Maryland not going heavy after Hunter was odd. Hoya coaches were at many of his game in winter season, but all of his live period games. He also usually had Hoya coaches at his travel team games. Hunter also said he chose Michigan as he didn't want to go to college near home. He is on the record with that in PrepHoops interviews. Again go to games of top DMV players and see what coaches are there. Oh, Hoya coaches are there. Of if you aren't in the DMV or just want to stay home, follow Twitter, Instagram, and Snapchat where it is documented and you don't have to take my word for it. Iâm not in the DMV, but I visit for GU games, other GU alum stuff and family. If you donât mind, Iâm going to believe what Hunter himself said, not what you saw or heard. Heâs on the record and Iâm sure youâre not saying that you know more than him.
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Post by prhoya on Dec 4, 2021 9:36:22 GMT -5
So, instead of being guilty of negligence, they are just incompetent. Great We need a better DMV recruiter. Why is it so hard to admit that? Iâm not calling for someone to lose his job (this is GU after all). Just add a new DMV recruiter to a Top 12 spending program still carrying ThompsonsâŚ
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Post by hoya9797 on Dec 4, 2021 9:39:15 GMT -5
So, instead of being guilty of negligence, they are just incompetent. Great We need a better DMV recruiter. Why is it so hard to admit that? Iâm not calling for someone to lose his job (this is GU after all). Just add a new DMV recruiter to a Top 12 spending program still carrying Thompsons⌠Admitting mistakes is not exactly Patrick Ewingâs forte.
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Post by prhoya on Dec 4, 2021 9:40:29 GMT -5
We need a better DMV recruiter. Why is it so hard to admit that? Iâm not calling for someone to lose his job (this is GU after all). Just add a new DMV recruiter to a Top 12 spending program still carrying Thompsons⌠Admitting mistakes is not exactly Patrick Ewingâs forte. He learned that from one of the best in that area.
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Post by CTHoya08 on Dec 4, 2021 9:44:56 GMT -5
Iâm far from an expert on this stuff, but I want to make two suggestions:
(a) âKids want to go away to schoolâ might be the general state of affairs among DMV recruits these days, but I donât think we should just throw up our hands and accept that it must be that way. What can we do to make them want to stay local? There has to be some appeal that can grab some of these kids, and obviously we arenât successfully making whatever pitch that is. A new or different recruiter might be able to make that connection.
(b) The fact that recruit-to-recruit relationships are what have brought in some of our top local guys in (relatively) recent history is all the more reason to focus on bringing in some local kids, even if we arenât in a position to convince the five-star kids to stay home yet. Not everyone on our roster is going to be a starter, or even a heavy rotation guy. Instead of criss-crossing the country to land the players who become our 11th-through-13th guys, why not focus on some of those local kids for whom weâd be the best offer? Surely out of the dozens of prospects in the DMV, there are some who would rather come to GU than have a bigger role at an A-10 or CAA school. It seems to me that signing a couple kids like this would have two salutary effects.
First, it would potentially start to build a pipeline, which (either through recruiter-to-coach or player-to-player connections) could put us in better position to land some of the bigger local prospects. Second, it might free up some of the staffâs recruiting time, energy, and budget to devote to efforts to recruit the really big fish. I know thatâs itâs not truly zero-sum, because a lot of the national recruits (whether top tier or middle tier) are at the same AAU tournaments, so the staff is going to Peach Jam or whatever regardless, but it seems like there must be something to be gained from signing some end-of-the-bench guys from PG County instead of from Louisiana or wherever.
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Post by saxagael on Dec 4, 2021 9:45:10 GMT -5
I'm still honestly curious who these players are that could have been recruited and would stay. Hunter has said he didn't want to play near home. He had travel team teammates that were not happy about being not recruited locally, they went to low mid-majors and didn't have any big 5 (plus) offers at all. Hunter was on Team Takeover and they used to be the top DMV team, but most of the top players are now picked up by Team Durant. They have some player who are good that don't have many offers, but aren't top tier D1. Could the Hoyas pick them up? Sure, would they help, probably not. Are they talking to those players, yep but not offering. Hoyas have an offer out to Isaiah Coleman at National Christian who made Rodney Rice look silly as a defender in DeMatha summer league this year (Coleman had 32 in that game). A 6'6" off ball guard 2023 who can shoot, slash and defend. He is from Philly, but now playing in the DMV. Hoya coaches seem to be showing up to a lot of his games. There are a couple other good players on that team, but no where near the level of Coleman. Most years there are 5 to 8 top players that get a lot of attention as they are top D1 caliber. Most of them don't have an interest in playing near home, but Georgetown is there pitching hard. There are a ton of players that next level down, which could make decent red shirt projects for the Hoyas (some end up at Villanova or UVA as just that). One of the nice things with Kenner League was local players sitting in the stands and chatting with those at the games. Easy to ask them why they didn't stay local and they often get that question, pretty much the same answer... Yep, wanted to go to college away from home. Parents would have loved them to stay local, but the kids not so interested.
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Post by saxagael on Dec 4, 2021 9:47:48 GMT -5
Maryland not going heavy after Hunter was odd. Hoya coaches were at many of his game in winter season, but all of his live period games. He also usually had Hoya coaches at his travel team games. Hunter also said he chose Michigan as he didn't want to go to college near home. He is on the record with that in PrepHoops interviews. Again go to games of top DMV players and see what coaches are there. Oh, Hoya coaches are there. Of if you aren't in the DMV or just want to stay home, follow Twitter, Instagram, and Snapchat where it is documented and you don't have to take my word for it. Iâm not in the DMV, but I visit for GU games, other GU alum stuff and family. If you donât mind, Iâm going to believe what Hunter himself said, not what you saw or heard. Heâs on the record and Iâm sure youâre not saying that you know more than him. He is also on record for not wanting to go to college near home. His travel teammates would have loved to be recruited by Georgetown, but they went to low mid-majors. Same with DeMatha teammates.
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Post by prhoya on Dec 4, 2021 9:52:34 GMT -5
I'm still honestly curious who these players are that could have been recruited and would stay. Hunter has said he didn't want to play near home. He had travel team teammates that were not happy about being not recruited locally, they went to low mid-majors and didn't have any big 5 (plus) offers at all. Hunter was on Team Takeover and they used to be the top DMV team, but most of the top players are now picked up by Team Durant. They have some player who are good that don't have many offers, but aren't top tier D1. Could the Hoyas pick them up? Sure, would they help, probably not. Are they talking to those players, yep but not offering. Hoyas have an offer out to Isaiah Coleman at National Christian who made Rodney Rice look silly as a defender in DeMatha summer league this year (Coleman had 32 in that game). A 6'6" off ball guard 2023 who can shoot, slash and defend. He is from Philly, but now playing in the DMV. Hoya coaches seem to be showing up to a lot of his games. There are a couple other good players on that team, but no where near the level of Coleman. Most years there are 5 to 8 top players that get a lot of attention as they are top D1 caliber. Most of them don't have an interest in playing near home, but Georgetown is there pitching hard. There are a ton of players that next level down, which could make decent red shirt projects for the Hoyas (some end up at Villanova or UVA as just that). One of the nice things with Kenner League was local players sitting in the stands and chatting with those at the games. Easy to ask them why they didn't stay local and they often get that question, pretty much the same answer... Yep, wanted to go to college away from home. Parents would have loved them to stay local, but the kids not so interested. Saxagael, you should start a recruiting podcast and get these kids on the record, etc⌠It seems like everyone has a podcast these days. Coleman is an interesting target. Hopefully, Villanova doesnât catch on.
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Post by saxagael on Dec 4, 2021 9:53:04 GMT -5
Iâm far from an expert on this stuff, but I want to make two suggestions: (a) âKids want to go away to schoolâ might be the general state of affairs among DMV recruits these days, but I donât think we should just throw up our hands and accept that it must be that way. What can we do to make them want to stay local? There has to be some appeal that can grab some of these kids, and obviously we arenât successfully making whatever pitch that is. A new or different recruiter might be able to make that connection. (b) The fact that recruit-to-recruit relationships are what have brought in some of our top local guys in (relatively) recent history is all the more reason to focus on bringing in some local kids, even if we arenât in a position to convince the five-star kids to stay home yet. Not everyone on our roster is going to be a starter, or even a heavy rotation guy. Instead of criss-crossing the country to land the players who become our 11th-through-13th guys, why not focus on some of those local kids for whom weâd be the best offer? Surely out of the dozens of prospects in the DMV, there are some who would rather come to GU than have a bigger role at an A-10 or CAA school. It seems to me that signing a couple kids like this would have two salutary effects. First, it would potentially start to build a pipeline, which (either through recruiter-to-coach or player-to-player connections) could put us in better position to land some of the bigger local prospects. Second, it might free up some of the staffâs recruiting time, energy, and budget to devote to efforts to recruit the really big fish. I know thatâs itâs not truly zero-sum, because a lot of the national recruits (whether top tier or middle tier) are at the same AAU tournaments, so the staff is going to Peach Jam or whatever regardless, but it seems like there must be something to be gained from signing some end-of-the-bench guys from PG County instead of from Louisiana or wherever. What you are saying is pretty much what the Hoyas have done. They hit the local scene hard, they are there and pitching. This current freshman class, even if you take out Aminu was a really solid recruiting class, all from building out recruiting. Recruiting locally is relatively easy as off days coaches can hit games and practices, which Hoya coaches do and they are easy to see out doing just that.
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Post by saxagael on Dec 4, 2021 9:59:10 GMT -5
I'm still honestly curious who these players are that could have been recruited and would stay. Hunter has said he didn't want to play near home. He had travel team teammates that were not happy about being not recruited locally, they went to low mid-majors and didn't have any big 5 (plus) offers at all. Hunter was on Team Takeover and they used to be the top DMV team, but most of the top players are now picked up by Team Durant. They have some player who are good that don't have many offers, but aren't top tier D1. Could the Hoyas pick them up? Sure, would they help, probably not. Are they talking to those players, yep but not offering. Hoyas have an offer out to Isaiah Coleman at National Christian who made Rodney Rice look silly as a defender in DeMatha summer league this year (Coleman had 32 in that game). A 6'6" off ball guard 2023 who can shoot, slash and defend. He is from Philly, but now playing in the DMV. Hoya coaches seem to be showing up to a lot of his games. There are a couple other good players on that team, but no where near the level of Coleman. Most years there are 5 to 8 top players that get a lot of attention as they are top D1 caliber. Most of them don't have an interest in playing near home, but Georgetown is there pitching hard. There are a ton of players that next level down, which could make decent red shirt projects for the Hoyas (some end up at Villanova or UVA as just that). One of the nice things with Kenner League was local players sitting in the stands and chatting with those at the games. Easy to ask them why they didn't stay local and they often get that question, pretty much the same answer... Yep, wanted to go to college away from home. Parents would have loved them to stay local, but the kids not so interested. Saxagael, you should start a recruiting podcast and get these kids on the record, etc⌠It seems like everyone has a podcast these days. Most of the access is based on no pictures, video, no check-ins. Some of the players post. The Freeman and Wright podcast covers a lot of this. One of the local recruiting sites has a podcast and they talk about "the process", but also DMV recruiting and who is coming in and who locally is hitting local players. This tweet from Marcus, who is everywhere around the DMV and knows what is going on, nails it BTW, I really wish these podcasts would text transcribe so they would be searchable. There are so many gems in them.
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Post by hoya73 on Dec 4, 2021 11:00:50 GMT -5
Iâm far from an expert on this stuff, but I want to make two suggestions: (a) âKids want to go away to schoolâ might be the general state of affairs among DMV recruits these days, but I donât think we should just throw up our hands and accept that it must be that way. What can we do to make them want to stay local? There has to be some appeal that can grab some of these kids, and obviously we arenât successfully making whatever pitch that is. A new or different recruiter might be able to make that connection. (b) The fact that recruit-to-recruit relationships are what have brought in some of our top local guys in (relatively) recent history is all the more reason to focus on bringing in some local kids, even if we arenât in a position to convince the five-star kids to stay home yet. Not everyone on our roster is going to be a starter, or even a heavy rotation guy. Instead of criss-crossing the country to land the players who become our 11th-through-13th guys, why not focus on some of those local kids for whom weâd be the best offer? Surely out of the dozens of prospects in the DMV, there are some who would rather come to GU than have a bigger role at an A-10 or CAA school. It seems to me that signing a couple kids like this would have two salutary effects. First, it would potentially start to build a pipeline, which (either through recruiter-to-coach or player-to-player connections) could put us in better position to land some of the bigger local prospects. Second, it might free up some of the staffâs recruiting time, energy, and budget to devote to efforts to recruit the really big fish. I know thatâs itâs not truly zero-sum, because a lot of the national recruits (whether top tier or middle tier) are at the same AAU tournaments, so the staff is going to Peach Jam or whatever regardless, but it seems like there must be something to be gained from signing some end-of-the-bench guys from PG County instead of from Louisiana or wherever. I'm from PG County and: a) Glad that we have 2 starters from PG right now, and almost always have at last one PG County guy on our bench, or in a more prominent role. b) Wondering who in PG County was neglected but was as good a prospect as Fat Boy, when we made Holloway from Louisiana our last, or one of our last, signings for last year's freshman class? Like saxagael, I'll say: name a name. c) Close enough to DC to wonder which 2022 Coolidge player is worthy of a GU scholarship but being ignored, causing his coach to snark.
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Post by hoya9797 on Dec 4, 2021 11:05:12 GMT -5
Admitting mistakes is not exactly Patrick Ewingâs forte. He learned that from one of the best in that area. The maddening thing is how many people continue to make excuses for this failure and act like whatever Ewing is doing is working.
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Post by conshyhoya on Dec 4, 2021 11:30:11 GMT -5
I named Rice: Are you going to answer my questions? You complain about me bringing up Rodney Rice then say I didn't repsond? Make up your mind. I also walked through four other local players who felt deeply slighted by Georgetown not recuiting them hard enough, but there weren't spots for them. You haven't done the work of this huge massive problem you state. You are just bringing up BS. I brought facts and loud complainers and likely why they weren't at Georgetown (didn't have talent or Hoyas had two or more better players). Where is this problem. If you have to dig for a problem and it is hard to find, is it really a big problem or one that really isn't big and completely blown out of proportion like many things on this board? I don't think it is quite the problem as most but he is probably talking about Hunter Dickerson which said something but that was more aimed at Maryland but I think he mentioned us too. Then recently he is probably talking about the one local recruiter, I can't remember which one, who tweeted Georgetown should get in the gyms for local kids for 2022 but let's face it I don't think we missed offering anyone worth a scholly from local. They just went elsewhere.
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Post by terphoya on Dec 4, 2021 12:21:17 GMT -5
Maryland not going heavy after Hunter was odd. Hoya coaches were at many of his game in winter season, but all of his live period games. He also usually had Hoya coaches at his travel team games. Hunter also said he chose Michigan as he didn't want to go to college near home. He is on the record with that in PrepHoops interviews. Again go to games of top DMV players and see what coaches are there. Oh, Hoya coaches are there. Of if you aren't in the DMV or just want to stay home, follow Twitter, Instagram, and Snapchat where it is documented and you don't have to take my word for it. The funny thing is Maryland was on Hunter hard, probably as hard as Georgetown was. They had him on campus for unofficial visits as a freshman and offered him before his sophomore season. By the time his junior year started Maryland had Bruno Fernando (2nd year) and Jalen Smith (1st year) on the roster and even though they would both leave to the NBA after their sophomore years Hunter wasnât interested and didnât have Maryland in his top 8 schools. So him crying about GU and UMD not recruiting him is laughable. Either heâs speaking on behalf of his Dematha/Team Takeover teammates who, as mentioned above, didnât really deserve the looks, or he wanted Ewing and Turgeon to gift him Lamborghinis to get him to stay local (which he apparently never wanted to do anyway)
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Post by professorhoya on Dec 4, 2021 12:26:44 GMT -5
Admitting mistakes is not exactly Patrick Ewingâs forte. He learned that from one of the best in that area. Who?
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Post by 95hoya on Dec 4, 2021 12:35:16 GMT -5
Hunter is a troll. He never wanted to play at MD or Georgetown. He wanted the opportunity to turn them down. Maryland stopped recruiting him after his sophomore year knowing he wasn't going there.
Recruits will go where they feel is the best stepping stone for a pro career. The staffs at both schools aren't in tight with the DC coaches and trainers.
Maryland I guess had some excuse. They were winning games and selectively choosing kids to fill out their roster. They seemingly didn't have a ton of PT to offer kids, though that never stops a school like Nova.
There's no excuse for a rebuilding Georgetown. A rebuilding program needed to make recruiting focused hires and Pat didn't do that.
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Post by EtomicB on Dec 4, 2021 12:59:22 GMT -5
Hunter is a troll. He never wanted to play at MD or Georgetown. He wanted the opportunity to turn them down. Maryland stopped recruiting him after his sophomore year knowing he wasn't going there. Recruits will go where they feel is the best stepping stone for a pro career. The staffs at both schools aren't in tight with the DC coaches and trainers.
Maryland I guess had some excuse. They were winning games and selectively choosing kids to fill out their roster. They seemingly didn't have a ton of PT to offer kids, though that never stops a school like Nova. There's no excuse for a rebuilding Georgetown. A rebuilding program needed to make recruiting focused hires and Pat didn't do that. This is well stated.
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Post by saxagael on Dec 4, 2021 14:39:27 GMT -5
Hunter is a troll. He never wanted to play at MD or Georgetown. He wanted the opportunity to turn them down. Maryland stopped recruiting him after his sophomore year knowing he wasn't going there. Recruits will go where they feel is the best stepping stone for a pro career. The staffs at both schools aren't in tight with the DC coaches and trainers. Maryland I guess had some excuse. They were winning games and selectively choosing kids to fill out their roster. They seemingly didn't have a ton of PT to offer kids, though that never stops a school like Nova. There's no excuse for a rebuilding Georgetown. A rebuilding program needed to make recruiting focused hires and Pat didn't do that. Hoyas not in close with local trainers and coaches? That is hilarious. Were you at DaMatha summer league, but missed the Hoyas coaches spending a lot of time with coaches and players? Many of the skills and athletic training facilities where top high school players to pros hone their craft have Hoya coaches around a fair amount. I'm seeing them there, but mabye they are there for the drinking fountain or something. Crouch was a local skills and training coach and really well connected to many of the other top skills coaches. I see him in with some of the shooting and skills coaches chatting quite often, as well as other Hoya coaches.
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Post by saxagael on Dec 4, 2021 14:49:59 GMT -5
Hunter is a troll. He never wanted to play at MD or Georgetown. He wanted the opportunity to turn them down. Maryland stopped recruiting him after his sophomore year knowing he wasn't going there. Recruits will go where they feel is the best stepping stone for a pro career. The staffs at both schools aren't in tight with the DC coaches and trainers.
Maryland I guess had some excuse. They were winning games and selectively choosing kids to fill out their roster. They seemingly didn't have a ton of PT to offer kids, though that never stops a school like Nova. There's no excuse for a rebuilding Georgetown. A rebuilding program needed to make recruiting focused hires and Pat didn't do that. This is well stated. The first part of what is in bold is dead on. The second part is not remotely close to anything that is a fact. I guess Instagram and Twitter aren't a thing where you are or not following any local prep hoop folks. Hoya coaches are all over the place. That is a fact. I know you can't ever want to believe it, but also can tell you aren't in the DMV and don't go to any game with top players, particularly live periods.
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Post by EtomicB on Dec 4, 2021 15:51:52 GMT -5
The first part of what is in bold is dead on. The second part is not remotely close to anything that is a fact. I guess Instagram and Twitter aren't a thing where you are or not following any local prep hoop folks. Hoya coaches are all over the place. That is a fact. I know you can't ever want to believe it, but also can tell you aren't in the DMV and don't go to any game with top players, particularly live periods. To me the 1st part puts a big dent in the âkids just want to get away from homeâ narrative Iâm sure Gtown coaches are attending games, practices, live events ect. but that goes for 99% of the HM programs out there right? Itâs whatâs being done behind the scenes of these recruitments thatâs in question
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