hoya9797
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Post by hoya9797 on Nov 26, 2021 18:34:02 GMT -5
I just finished watching my recording of the game. Sorry to say this to all the doom and gloomers on this Board but considering the final score and what, as a result, I was expecting I was very happy with the Hoyas performance. They were down by 3 with 8 minutes left and a few 3's go in and we could have pulled this game out. Hey, we're not winning the BE (thanks to our atrocious bigs) this year but we are getting better and if this freshman group holds together we could be dangerous next year. Face it, we are just too raw right now to go toe to toe with more experienced teams. But give me a senior Dante and a junior Mohammed, Motumbo, Billingsley, Beard, and Riley and we will be a nationally ranked team and a BE threat. Compared to what I saw against Dartmouth we are making big strides. Take the Hoyas giving 15 points tonight. So, now we have to wait two more years to get a decent team? |
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Post by DanMcQ on Nov 26, 2021 19:39:38 GMT -5
Last night was the first time I had a chance to see the Hoyas play in person in two years. I feel like Lloyd Bridges in "Airplane;" I picked a bad day to give up watching us play on TV. However painful this game was to watch from posters' homes at midnight and later, it was a lot more agonizing in the arena. I admire the posters who have been able to find significant positives out of this performance, at least those beyond the individual efforts turned in by Dante and Aminu. From my perspective sitting directly behind our bench, finding the good was a lot harder. A few observations, probably all (painfully) obvious: 1) You can't play two-on-five offensive basketball at this level, and succeed, and against a reasonably competent opponent, you'll get killed. No one other than Harris and Muhammed showed up at all. If this continues, we're in for a disastrous season in the BE. I don't think it will, but man last night was ugly offensively. 2) I'm, sorry but our play at the 5 is a black hole. Yes, Tim was better in the second half than in the first, but not really at a BE starter level; Malcom just isn't strong or skilled enough to be competitive, and Ryan plays flat-footed at both ends of the court. Small wonder he's getting rejected on what should be sure-fire dunks. It seems to me that he (and, to some extent, Aminu and Jordan) are still trying to rely on what worked for them in high school, where they were far more talented than their opponents. That isn't translating at this level, and isn't going to. I think they'll learn, but that process is pretty painful to watch. 3) Our passing is TERRIBLE. Sitting so close to the court, I was literally watching our guys make one bad passing decision after another, or sloppily failing to execute where a good pass would have led to a score. Part of that seems to be a lack of emphasis on ball movement, abetted by a chronic failure of our guys to move effectively without the ball. The results were the one-on-one play of Harris and Muhammed, and the astonishing absence of meaningful assists. This can be fixed, and Pat and the staff need to do that or we will continue to pay the price we paid last night in turnovers and lost opportunities. 4) Others have already catalogued the woes in our defense better than I can, and while I agree that our inability to defend the three is now systemic, from my perspective the complete breakdown of our defending the P & R and open looks to the post last night was as big, if not bigger, factor in the loss. I'm about to head back off to Anaheim, first to the Hoop Club reception -- the reception last night was the one big positive for the evening -- and then to a game that we ought to win going away. I'm looking to have my faith restored. Fingers crossed. |
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Nov 26, 2021 19:45:25 GMT -5
I just finished watching my recording of the game. Sorry to say this to all the doom and gloomers on this Board but considering the final score and what, as a result, I was expecting I was very happy with the Hoyas performance. They were down by 3 with 8 minutes left and a few 3's go in and we could have pulled this game out. Hey, we're not winning the BE (thanks to our atrocious bigs) this year but we are getting better and if this freshman group holds together we could be dangerous next year. Face it, we are just too raw right now to go toe to toe with more experienced teams. B ut give me a senior Dante and a junior Mohammed, Motumbo, Billingsley, Beard, and Riley and we will be a nationally ranked team and a BE threat. Compared to what I saw against Dartmouth we are making big strides. Take the Hoyas giving 15 points tonight. I agree with you that we are playing better than against Dartmouth, but that's not a high bar. As far as "a senior Dante and a junior Mohammed, Motumbo, Billingsley, Beard, and Riley," I truly hope we do get that, but recent history plus the new NCAA rules on player movements make me think it's unlikely. On Mohammed, the odds he wouldn't go pro by a junior year are extremely low, too. A few years ago, we could've said, "Pair a senior Akinjo, McClung, LeBlanc, and a junior Wahab and imagine what type of team we'd have!" And, we know how that worked out. |
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hoyaboya
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Post by hoyaboya on Nov 26, 2021 19:58:12 GMT -5
I just finished watching my recording of the game. Sorry to say this to all the doom and gloomers on this Board but considering the final score and what, as a result, I was expecting I was very happy with the Hoyas performance. They were down by 3 with 8 minutes left and a few 3's go in and we could have pulled this game out. Hey, we're not winning the BE (thanks to our atrocious bigs) this year but we are getting better and if this freshman group holds together we could be dangerous next year. Face it, we are just too raw right now to go toe to toe with more experienced teams. B ut give me a senior Dante and a junior Mohammed, Motumbo, Billingsley, Beard, and Riley and we will be a nationally ranked team and a BE threat. Compared to what I saw against Dartmouth we are making big strides. Take the Hoyas giving 15 points tonight. I agree with you that we are playing better than against Dartmouth, but that's not a high bar. As far as "a senior Dante and a junior Mohammed, Motumbo, Billingsley, Beard, and Riley," I truly hope we do get that, but recent history plus the new NCAA rules on player movements make me think it's unlikely. On Mohammed, the odds he wouldn't go pro by a junior year are extremely low, too. A few years ago, we could've said, "Pair a senior Akinjo, McClung, LeBlanc, and a junior Wahab and imagine what type of team we'd have!" And, we know how that worked out. Mo is gone after this season. Those thinking otherwise are kidding themselves. |
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Post by guru on Nov 26, 2021 20:15:59 GMT -5
I just finished watching my recording of the game. Sorry to say this to all the doom and gloomers on this Board but considering the final score and what, as a result, I was expecting I was very happy with the Hoyas performance. They were down by 3 with 8 minutes left and a few 3's go in and we could have pulled this game out. Hey, we're not winning the BE (thanks to our atrocious bigs) this year but we are getting better and if this freshman group holds together we could be dangerous next year. Face it, we are just too raw right now to go toe to toe with more experienced teams. But give me a senior Dante and a junior Mohammed, Motumbo, Billingsley, Beard, and Riley and we will be a nationally ranked team and a BE threat. Compared to what I saw against Dartmouth we are making big strides. Take the Hoyas giving 15 points tonight. I mean, the first shot and the final shot of the first half were just ridiculous - and they made a prayer at the shot clock buzzer in the first half too. Hoyas didn’t play well enough to win, but those were very disheartening and turned a fairly even first half into a deceptively large Aztec lead at the break. |
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Post by beenaround on Nov 28, 2021 15:36:30 GMT -5
I agree with you that we are playing better than against Dartmouth, but that's not a high bar. As far as "a senior Dante and a junior Mohammed, Motumbo, Billingsley, Beard, and Riley," I truly hope we do get that, but recent history plus the new NCAA rules on player movements make me think it's unlikely. On Mohammed, the odds he wouldn't go pro by a junior year are extremely low, too. A few years ago, we could've said, "Pair a senior Akinjo, McClung, LeBlanc, and a junior Wahab and imagine what type of team we'd have!" And, we know how that worked out. Mo is gone after this season. Those thinking otherwise are kidding themselves. If he’s gone… it’s to transfer. Hes not close to an nba draft pick yet. In another full year of skill development…maybe. |
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hoyaboya
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Post by hoyaboya on Nov 28, 2021 17:01:03 GMT -5
Mo is gone after this season. Those thinking otherwise are kidding themselves. If he’s gone… it’s to transfer. Hes not close to an nba draft pick yet. In another full year of skill development…maybe. He’s an NBA first or second round pick if he drops out of school tomorrow. Don’t kid yourself- that’s why he chose Georgetown as opposed to other options, to be showcased as the man for one year. |
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Post by s4hoyas on Nov 28, 2021 17:08:59 GMT -5
You have no idea what you're talking about, as usual...
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hoyaboya
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Post by hoyaboya on Nov 28, 2021 17:18:35 GMT -5
You have no idea what you're talking about, as usual... I’ll bet whatever you’d like that Mo’s not here more than one year. Name your price. |
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Post by iowa80 on Nov 28, 2021 17:20:27 GMT -5
If he’s gone… it’s to transfer. Hes not close to an nba draft pick yet. In another full year oskill development…maybe. He’s an NBA first or second round pick if he drops out of school tomorrow. Don’t kid yourself- that’s why he chose Georgetown as opposed to other options, to be showcased as the man for one year. Please. There are a ton of options for being “showcased,” and the St. Joe’s game showed he has aways to go. I never discount transfers unfortunately, but I’ll be very surprised if he’s not a two-year player. It would be great if he forged a relationship with Dante—developing that relationship would be a good idea on the coaching side. |
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Post by hoyaboya on Nov 28, 2021 17:27:26 GMT -5
He’s an NBA first or second round pick if he drops out of school tomorrow. Don’t kid yourself- that’s why he chose Georgetown as opposed to other options, to be showcased as the man for one year. Please. There are a ton of options for being “showcased,” and the St. Joe’s game showed he has aways to go. I never discount transfers unfortunately, but I’ll be very surprised if he’s not a two-year player. It would be great if he forged a relationship with Dante—developing that relationship would be a good idea on the coaching side. You are living in a different era - Mo will be here one year, whether he’s ready to leave or not. Name your price if you want to bet on it. |
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hoya9797
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Post by hoya9797 on Nov 28, 2021 17:33:00 GMT -5
He’s an NBA first or second round pick if he drops out of school tomorrow. Don’t kid yourself- that’s why he chose Georgetown as opposed to other options, to be showcased as the man for one year. Please. There are a ton of options for being “showcased,” and the St. Joe’s game showed he has aways to go. I never discount transfers unfortunately, but I’ll be very surprised if he’s not a two-year player. It would be great if he forged a relationship with Dante—developing that relationship would be a good idea on the coaching side. If he needs more college, he’ll do it somewhere else. Playing for a horrible coach in a toxic and losing environment will do him no good. |
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Post by guru on Nov 28, 2021 17:43:32 GMT -5
Please. There are a ton of options for being “showcased,” and the St. Joe’s game showed he has aways to go. I never discount transfers unfortunately, but I’ll be very surprised if he’s not a two-year player. It would be great if he forged a relationship with Dante—developing that relationship would be a good idea on the coaching side. If he needs more college, he’ll do it somewhere else. Playing for a horrible coach in a toxic and losing environment will do him no good. LOL. These guys are relentless |
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Post by bigskyhoya on Nov 28, 2021 18:22:17 GMT -5
If he needs more college, he’ll do it somewhere else. Playing for a horrible coach in a toxic and losing environment will do him no good. LOL. These guys are relentless I think it’s the same dude with two user names. And he may have a third name as well. |
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Nov 28, 2021 18:34:36 GMT -5
LOL. These guys are relentless I think it’s the same dude with two user names. And he may have a third name as well. Probably, one person and not an alum. Needs to kill time in the basement between Xbox, sports and other pursuits. Clearly not a happy individual. |
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