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Post by bostonfan on Nov 22, 2021 10:28:35 GMT -5
I think we’re going to make a choice, starting next Thursday. Either we continue to play 10-11 guys and go full court (or at least 3/4 court) pressure on most makes and really try to speed things up, or we shorten the rotation and let the top 8 get more comfortable playing together. Against better teams I don’t think we can afford to keep experimenting with lineup combinations and playing “hot hands”. Defensively we need to really improve our communication and playing together as a unit. I think we can continue to play the current rotation plus incorporate Holloway and Clark when they return. Playing a 12 man rotation is really hard. It doesn't give the players any time to really settle in and get a feel for the game. The 10 man rotation has worked so far, but getting beyond 10 guys getting regular minutes is hard. Sometimes these things work themselves out with injuries and foul trouble in certain games, but once the Hoyas get into Big East play they are going to want to have their best 7-8 guys playing the majority of the minutes.
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Nov 22, 2021 10:33:20 GMT -5
I sure hope that does not happen. I want more bodies flying in and out- by no means less.
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Post by daveg023 on Nov 22, 2021 10:36:42 GMT -5
I think we can continue to play the current rotation plus incorporate Holloway and Clark when they return. Playing a 12 man rotation is really hard. It doesn't give the players any time to really settle in and get a feel for the game. The 10 man rotation has worked so far, but getting beyond 10 guys getting regular minutes is hard. Sometimes these things work themselves out with injuries and foul trouble in certain games, but once the Hoyas get into Big East play they are going to want to have their best 7-8 guys playing the majority of the minutes. Agree. 12 guys isn’t sustainable. My sense is Clark is the odd man out with Beard and Riley earning more of the guard minutes. I’d think Holloway takes most of Billingsley’s minutes too, but that seems less definite. At this point I don’t see the need to give Wilson much run. He’s a junior and honestly not going to get much better than he is now, nor help much more than Mutumbo can, so why waste more development time? To me the 10 guys playing should be: Harris / Beard Carey / Riley Aminu / Billingsley Rice / Holloway Igohefe / Mutombo
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Post by practice on Nov 22, 2021 12:28:35 GMT -5
I would be pretty surprised if Harris, Carey and Mohammed are not starting pretty much every game for the remainder of the season. We'll see about Rice, but Ewing does like to start experience ... and he did just compare Kaiden's shooting to no less than Mullin, Bird and Reggie Miller ... hard to keep that out of the starting line up unless the 7-10 was a one time thing. I suppose Igohefe is our starting center, but I'm hoping that Mutumbo gets more minutes and eventually starts. The idea of 10 or 12 guys always sounds good in November and December but quickly disappears by January. Clark didn't get any real time after an early season injury and Holloway's 2020 resume starts and ends with a handful of minutes against Nova in the BET. That being said, it's hard to see Beard, Riley, Bilingsley, and Holloway not get somewhere between 8 and 15 minutes a game. We'll see about Malcom Wilson, but let's remember that the kid has like 20 minutes of experience in game time before this season. He's 6'10 or 6'11 and he's not playing behind Mourning and Dikembe. Centers pick up fouls -- it felt like Igohefe averaged about 25 per 40 minutes last year -- and Wilson's going to play.
I don't know much about SDSU, but I'm glad to hear that they're not great this season. Our team is going to get better and better -- individually and collectively. Beyond Harris and Carey (and maybe Tim), the team either has no or extremely limited experience playing for Georgetown. And, we have five guys adjusting from HS and Rice adjusting from mid-major (?) level competition. Barring expulsions, transfers and injuries, Ewing has shown that he can coach a team and individual players to improve over the course of a season. Part of that, however, will be getting to a rotation that makes sense with defined roles -- whether that's 7 players or 11 players. We are not there yet ... and I don't think we should expect to see the final rotation emerge in Anaheim.
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Post by hoyainla on Nov 22, 2021 13:24:29 GMT -5
Dante is going to have to have a very solid game for us to have a chance. I want to go back and watch the AZ State game before I put my thoughts but early this seems to be the key for me as well.
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Post by hoyaroc on Nov 22, 2021 13:41:55 GMT -5
Just learned you must have a vaccination card to enter game at Anaheim Convention Center. Well, I guess I’ll stay home thanksgiving night with my family in Los Angeles. Go Hoyas!!! Proof includes "vaccination card, digital photo of vaccination card, printed copy of vaccination card, or digital vaccination record with dates of vaccination. The vaccination card/copy must show the name of guest, type of vaccine received, and the date(s) the doses were administered." --Adminespnevents.com/wooden-legacy/game-day-info/
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Post by DudeSlade on Nov 22, 2021 14:21:02 GMT -5
I would be pretty surprised if Harris, Carey and Mohammed are not starting pretty much every game for the remainder of the season. We'll see about Rice, but Ewing does like to start experience ... and he did just compare Kaiden's shooting to no less than Mullin, Bird and Reggie Miller ... hard to keep that out of the starting line up unless the 7-10 was a one time thing. I suppose Igohefe is our starting center, but I'm hoping that Mutumbo gets more minutes and eventually starts. The idea of 10 or 12 guys always sounds good in November and December but quickly disappears by January. Clark didn't get any real time after an early season injury and Holloway's 2020 resume starts and ends with a handful of minutes against Nova in the BET. That being said, it's hard to see Beard, Riley, Bilingsley, and Holloway not get somewhere between 8 and 15 minutes a game. We'll see about Malcom Wilson, but let's remember that the kid has like 20 minutes of experience in game time before this season. He's 6'10 or 6'11 and he's not playing behind Mourning and Dikembe. Centers pick up fouls -- it felt like Igohefe averaged about 25 per 40 minutes last year -- and Wilson's going to play. I don't know much about SDSU, but I'm glad to hear that they're not great this season. Our team is going to get better and better -- individually and collectively. Beyond Harris and Carey (and maybe Tim), the team either has no or extremely limited experience playing for Georgetown. And, we have five guys adjusting from HS and Rice adjusting from mid-major (?) level competition. Barring expulsions, transfers and injuries, Ewing has shown that he can coach a team and individual players to improve over the course of a season. Part of that, however, will be getting to a rotation that makes sense with defined roles -- whether that's 7 players or 11 players. We are not there yet ... and I don't think we should expect to see the final rotation emerge in Anaheim. In obviously limited game time this season, it seems we have a team with kind of 3 tiers of players: 1) Players that will start/get serious minutes regardless of opponent -- I expect they'll get more minutes against tougher competition and as the season progresses. - Harris, Carey, Muhammad, Riley, Beard seem to be in this category. Riley/Beard minutes may be dependent on how well Harris/Carey are playing, but I expect they'll play real minutes every game. Curious if we see any Harris with Beard lineups at some point or if that's strictly the PG rotation. 2) Players that fit a particular type of need and minutes will probably be more matchup specific. - Ighoefe (against a traditional center) - Rice (against smaller teams or when needing shooting, may slide to the 3 against big teams. He's limited athletically, though, so managing his use may be tricky.) - Holloway (against teams with smaller physical 4s that can step out to perimeter) - Clark (defensive focus) - Wilson (more mobile centers -- he moves his feet the best of the 3 centers) 3) More developmental, but promising than expected: - Mutombo (he's our slowest 5, which I wasn't expecting, but also the tallest, which I also wasn't expecting. His impact seems very hit or miss on the court and I could see his minutes fluctuating a lot based on which it is. It seems Ewing wants him getting as many minutes to develop as he can.) - Billingsley (I really had no idea what to expect of him but was thinking he'd be more of a Reggie Cameron type, instead he's built and looks better banging inside and is a better athlete than I expected, but his hands, handles, and shooting need work. He's big enough I could see him being a small ball center against teams like Nova that play forwards and no center. But I think he'll lose minutes to Holloway when he's back, as he hustles a lot but is out of position a lot. I think he's going to be better than I anticipated long term, but may not get as many minutes as he's had so far when we get back to full strength). If I had to guess from super early impressions, Clark, Wilson, & Billingsley are the 3 that get less minutes as we go, but outside of the first 5 that I think play regardless of matchup, approach, or performance, I think we'll see more flux in the rotation for the next 7 than we've traditionally seen. I could see it being a game-to-game thing for those 7, instead of a set rotation.
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Post by hoyaduck on Nov 22, 2021 14:22:38 GMT -5
Just learned you must have a vaccination card to enter game at Anaheim Convention Center. Well, I guess I’ll stay home thanksgiving night with my family in Los Angeles. Go Hoyas!!! FYI you also have the option of showing a negative covid test result within 72 hours of the event.
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Post by rhw485 on Nov 22, 2021 16:15:54 GMT -5
Ok I watched the 20 min highlight clip for Az St, read the very informative posts from our SD based followers, and stared at some of the stats. Things I'll be looking for: - Free Throws. Looking at their offense, it really does feel like they're a good match for us. Their best players are a 6'4 wing (hello Aminu) and a 6'10 primarily around the basket center (ignoring the 1-1 from 3 pt land that will inevitably be open for him if he wants it). Nobody in that 6'8-6'9 range that would really put pressure on Billingsley and Rice and challenge our depth there. That being said, this team has lived at the line. In their 3 victories: FT Rates of 59.2, 54.9, 73.9. In their one loss: 31.1. In that 20 min clip, Bradley drew a foul on a 3 two separate times. Every foul matters, they were in the bonus against Az St very early.
- Limiting our turnovers. While it's obviously important for every game, what's interesting is that SD St doesn't inherently force a ton of turnovers. Their current rate is 205th in country. Their defense is very stout, but historically it's gone sideways for us when the turnovers get out of control. We're not gonna see a press here or guys looking to jump in the passing lanes. Maybe more similar to Colorado, but they're gonna stay home, be disciplined, and force us to work for shots.
- Tempo: they haven't played a game above 70 possessions. If we can speed them up, dictate tempo, get some easy baskets, it would really help
- For Gtown specifically, going to be focused on Aminu. This is the first team that will really have the same sized athletes to match him. It won't be as easy for him to get into the lane, and he's struggled finishing even in those situations. Will his athleticism play, can he get into the lane? And will he be a willing passer in those situations when the defenses collapse?
So on paper, a seemingly good matchup. That being said, we'll essentially be on the road, in a hostile environment, against an experienced team. Can we stick together and play team basketball, or do we devolve into forced shots and spiral? Are we really the magic elixir for every poor shooting team? If we can handle the first 10 minutes and get our sea legs, I think it will be a game down the stretch.
I have to work the next day so def won't be able to watch live but I'll have the DVR ready to rock. Hoya Saxa
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Nov 22, 2021 16:35:03 GMT -5
Just learned you must have a vaccination card to enter game at Anaheim Convention Center. Well, I guess I’ll stay home thanksgiving night with my family in Los Angeles. Go Hoyas!!! FYI you also have the option of showing a negative covid test result within 72 hours of the event. Frankly I wish the test or vax card was required at Cap one and all on flights too for what it is worth. Once we are in mid-December and anyone 5+ will have had ample time to get vaxxed, this should be the path forward with some allowance for those bringing sub-5 year olds.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2021 17:05:30 GMT -5
FYI you also have the option of showing a negative covid test result within 72 hours of the event. Frankly I wish the test or vax card was required at Cap one and all on flights too for what it is worth. Once we are in mid-December and anyone 5+ will have had ample time to get vaxxed, this should be the path forward with some allowance for those bringing sub-5 year olds. As a season ticket holder, I’m hoping Cap One goes mask recommended, rather than mask required. My wife and I are vaccinated, my school-aged children get their second dose next week. Not turning this into a debate, but I do know some other season ticket holders who would probably ask for a refund if Cap One went to proof of vaccine. Hope we play well as a unit, sounds like Aminu will trail their top scorer. We certainly have fouls to give against their big, hope we give nothing easy. Put me in the camp that our guys need to trust each other and keep their own assignment within arms reach on D.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Nov 22, 2021 19:19:20 GMT -5
The idea of 10 or 12 guys always sounds good in November and December but quickly disappears by January. It usually disappears by November. If the 10 man rotation makes it through the SDSU game, it's likely the first time it will in twenty years of me reading it on Hoyatalk. I have a feeling we're about to see -- except at center -- who Patrick really thinks plays defense. At center ... none of these guys are ready, and all of them look to have some pretty big defensive weaknesses. Even if Tim were the pick, he's not going to be able to stay on the court. So the rotation will be buoyed, I suspect, by all three centers getting minutes until SOMEONE steps up. Which means just seven guys for four other positions means a 10 man rotation isn't unheard of.
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Post by tashoya on Nov 22, 2021 22:18:06 GMT -5
FYI you also have the option of showing a negative covid test result within 72 hours of the event. Frankly I wish the test or vax card was required at Cap one and all on flights too for what it is worth. Once we are in mid-December and anyone 5+ will have had ample time to get vaxxed, this should be the path forward with some allowance for those bringing sub-5 year olds. Agree. Unless you have an underlying condition, get the exceedingly safe vax and call it a day.
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Post by hoya73 on Nov 23, 2021 9:59:39 GMT -5
I had to show proof of vax to enter the Dartmouth game, but not for Siena? In fact, for Siena, the stupid metal detectors weren't even used at the entrance from the movie theater lobby. Just scan your phone and walk right in.
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Post by professorhoya on Nov 23, 2021 10:38:07 GMT -5
I had to show proof of vax to enter the Dartmouth game, but not for Siena? In fact, for Siena, the stupid metal detectors weren't even used at the entrance from the movie theater lobby. Just scan your phone and walk right in. Ah, you know the secret entrance.
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Post by SSHoya on Nov 23, 2021 11:45:34 GMT -5
I had to show proof of vax to enter the Dartmouth game, but not for Siena? In fact, for Siena, the stupid metal detectors weren't even used at the entrance from the movie theater lobby. Just scan your phone and walk right in. What? I didn't have to show proof of vax for Dartmouth game but did regular metal detector screening (emptying pockets) And scan your phone and walk right in was used at the F Street entrance at the Siena game. No emptying of pockets, etc.
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Post by ksf42001 on Nov 23, 2021 12:13:47 GMT -5
I had to show proof of vax to enter the Dartmouth game, but not for Siena? In fact, for Siena, the stupid metal detectors weren't even used at the entrance from the movie theater lobby. Just scan your phone and walk right in. You walked through some type of scanner at that entrance, but it wasn't the normal metal detector that's usually there. Not exactly sure what it was.
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Post by SSHoya on Nov 23, 2021 12:17:39 GMT -5
I had to show proof of vax to enter the Dartmouth game, but not for Siena? In fact, for Siena, the stupid metal detectors weren't even used at the entrance from the movie theater lobby. Just scan your phone and walk right in. You walked through some type of scanner at that entrance, but it wasn't the normal metal detector that's usually there. Not exactly sure what it was. I was told new scanners that don't require emptying of pockets.
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Post by drquigley on Nov 23, 2021 12:54:19 GMT -5
I had to show proof of vax to enter the Dartmouth game, but not for Siena? In fact, for Siena, the stupid metal detectors weren't even used at the entrance from the movie theater lobby. Just scan your phone and walk right in. What? I didn't have to show proof of vax for Dartmouth game but did regular metal detector screening (emptying pockets) And scan your phone and walk right in was used at the F Street entrance at the Siena game. No emptying of pockets, etc. Same here. No proof of vax. Also no proof of vax at restaurant after game. Was surprised.
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Post by bigelephant on Nov 23, 2021 12:56:34 GMT -5
You walked through some type of scanner at that entrance, but it wasn't the normal metal detector that's usually there. Not exactly sure what it was. I was told new scanners that don't require emptying of pockets. Whatever.
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