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Post by DanMcQ on Sept 4, 2021 20:08:23 GMT -5
Thought I would start a new thread to focus on this.
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Post by DanMcQ on Sept 4, 2021 20:41:28 GMT -5
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Post by thedragon on Sept 13, 2021 12:47:13 GMT -5
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Post by bornhoya on Sept 13, 2021 13:31:02 GMT -5
All I needed to know about that was he said Jalen Harris was a key lost |
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Post by thedragon on Sept 13, 2021 13:36:00 GMT -5
All I needed to know about that was he said Jalen Harris was a key lost To be fair, these outlets include him because....they use the GUHoyas.com roster in part which still has 20-21 season up. And there have been no news stories/announcements stating he's officially off the team from last year. It's more of an indictment of how sh*tty our social/media department is. On edit* - they've now changed Jalen Harris to key loss (even if not accurate) when originally the author had him still on team. He commented on twitter that he would change it (he has) and that it was because he used the GUHoyas.com roster as suspected. |
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Post by guru on Sept 13, 2021 13:53:01 GMT -5
All I needed to know about that was he said Jalen Harris was a key lost To be fair, these outlets include him because....they use the GUHoyas.com roster in part which still has 20-21 season up. And there have been no news stories/announcements stating he's officially off the team from last year. It's more of an indictment of how sh*tty our social/media department is. On edit* - they've now changed Jalen Harris to key loss (even if not accurate) when originally the author had him still on team. He commented on twitter that he would change it (he has) and that it was because he used the GUHoyas.com roster as suspected. Jalen Harris vanished into thin air |
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Post by prhoya on Sept 13, 2021 14:35:35 GMT -5
No way we end up #10... I think we will look very different on offense and defense than last year. Two quotes with stats that reflect two key issues - consistency and lack of slashers- under Pat: " [Ewing's] teams frequently have issues with consistency. Haslametrics has a stat measuring just that, and Georgetown unsurprisingly ranked 302nd last year, demonstrating the Hoyas’ erratic nature from game to game." and " Shockingly for a Ewing-coached team, Georgetown ranked 332nd in the country last year in rim attempts, per Hoop Math, completely lacking the dynamic slashers needed to open up defenses and avoid settling for mid-range shots. Mohammed can change that in a heartbeat, and fellow freshmen Jordan Riley and Tyler Beard will also be asked to boost that part of the attack." I think this year's team will have better passers, dribblers, shooters, scorers, defenders and more aggressive players than last year, but I'm always wearing my blue&gray-colored glasses.  |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2021 15:13:35 GMT -5
No way we end up #10... I think we will look very different on offense and defense than last year. Two quotes with stats that reflect two key issues - consistency and lack of slashers- under Pat: " [Ewing's] teams frequently have issues with consistency. Haslametrics has a stat measuring just that, and Georgetown unsurprisingly ranked 302nd last year, demonstrating the Hoyas’ erratic nature from game to game." and " Shockingly for a Ewing-coached team, Georgetown ranked 332nd in the country last year in rim attempts, per Hoop Math, completely lacking the dynamic slashers needed to open up defenses and avoid settling for mid-range shots. Mohammed can change that in a heartbeat, and fellow freshmen Jordan Riley and Tyler Beard will also be asked to boost that part of the attack." I think this year's team will have better passers, dribblers, shooters, scorers, defenders and more aggressive players than last year, but I'm always wearing my blue&gray-colored glasses. We definitely have the slashers, we just need the shooters to open up the lanes. |
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Post by rhw485 on Sept 13, 2021 16:48:18 GMT -5
I agree that the 10th place predictions are a little surprising. I'm sure this was posted somewhere else and it was from June so there was some roster changes, and they had Gtown 4th. theathletic.com/2642540/2021/06/10/early-big-east-mens-basketball-rankings-villanova-uconn-look-like-the-top-teams/Now the comment section is basically criticizing the writers for placing Gtown 4th, which admittedly even through these Hoya colored glasses seemed a little high. I would've guessed 8th, as I'm not sure what, if anything, Marquette and Creighton are bringing back that warrants them to be ahead of us, turnover on the roster notwithstanding. I appreciate both of those teams are brining in a lot of people but it feels a little generous to assume they'll all hit the ground running. And I do think that "tiering", where 5-10 was one mega tier, highlights the variability there. In terms of the specific stats...does anyone else not find it curious that the teams net was actually better with Tim than Q? I have made the argument that Q was a little overrated defensively (and him being called mobile certainly made me do a spit take) but that table really highlighted it. I've argued Tre King at center would be an upgrade but that actually gave me more hope than anticipated. The comments about the shots at the rim are fair, but it was blatantly clear last year the team lacked someone who could do that and Ewing tweaked the offense and had them shoot more 3s to offset. I'd imagine this years team will be much better at getting to the rim, and with athletes that can finish to boot. The Ewing era has never really hinged on the offense, and has always been about the defense. Post covid break, the team flipped a switch. is that sustainable? Despite losing Pickett, would think this team might have more defensive talent with soph Harris hounding the point, plus the Riley / Mohammed combo on the wing (that's partly because I think Tim played drop coverage better than Q and see him as an upgrade). I'm also curious how that consistency stat works in terms of looking across the season vs. game to game. Because in the first half we were pretty consistently bad to average...and in the 2nd half we were pretty consistently solid (UConn games notwithstanding and maybe that triggered the poor score). But if the team rated as inconsistent because it lost to Navy and then beat Creighton...well yea the team improved a lot so that's expected. Needless to say, ready for the season to see what this incoming class can bring to the table and if we can carry forward the positive momentum |
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Post by calhoya on Sept 13, 2021 17:14:42 GMT -5
This team will be a work in progress. It's quite possible that November and December could be somewhat ugly as players adjust to each other and the coach figures out who can do what and where they should play. The test of the coaching staff will again be in how he has the team playing in February. Hopefully last season was not an aberration.
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Post by vv83 on Sept 13, 2021 17:45:45 GMT -5
The data in that "3 Man Weave" article was interesting - our net rating with Tim playing was basically the same as our net rating with Wahab playing. We were a little better defensively, and a little worse offensively - with Tim on the court. I guess the hope would be that Aminu/Riley would allow our offense to focus less on post ups and more on attacking the basket off the dribble- thus reducing the need for the center to play a big role in the offense. If Tim can play good D and set solid screens - we might not be hurt as much by Wahab's departure as it initially felt like we would.
There are a lot of potentially good pieces on this team. But only "potentially" good - we'll need to see how it plays out on the court
In a Hilltop Hoops podcast a couple of weeks ago, one of the hosts shared a piece of news I have not seen discussed on the board - he reported that Jalin Billingsley has been playing very well this summer. I had not heard/read this anywhere else. If Billingsley can contribute this season, that solves a lot of problems. He has the profile of a true modern power forward -6'7, 195 lbs, solidly built with some lower body strength, can shoot out to the 3 point line, has good skills in the post, able to put the ball on the floor and beat bigger/slower players, has some feel for passing. He has flaws - needs to improve body/conditioning, hard to assess what kind of defender he is, reportedly seemed to be inconsistent in his focus in high school, etc. but he has a very nice offensive skill set and the right size for the position. If he actually has been playing well this summer, and If he can give us some solid minutes at the 4 if/when King plays at the 5 - that could open up some nice possibilities for a small ball lineup.
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Post by seaweed on Sept 13, 2021 18:26:34 GMT -5
TWO MONTHS! TWO MORE DARN MONTHS, or ONLY TWO MORE MONTHS! Whatever, we tip off two months from tonight and I am counting the days. So much "potential" asvv83 notes. I am firmly in the camp of it showing up and showing out on the court, our guys gelling and making these fools who put us at 10 look like the fools they are. We have a floor general, we have mix-and-match parts on the wings and we have several contenders for paint forces. TWO MONTHS!!!
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Post by prhoya on Sept 13, 2021 21:37:55 GMT -5
The data in that "3 Man Weave" article was interesting - our net rating with Tim playing was basically the same as our net rating with Wahab playing. We were a little better defensively, and a little worse offensively - with Tim on the court. I guess the hope would be that Aminu/Riley would allow our offense to focus less on post ups and more on attacking the basket off the dribble- thus reducing the need for the center to play a big role in the offense. If Tim can play good D and set solid screens - we might not be hurt as much by Wahab's departure as it initially felt like we would. There are a lot of potentially good pieces on this team. But only "potentially" good - we'll need to see how it plays out on the court In a Hilltop Hoops podcast a couple of weeks ago, one of the hosts shared a piece of news I have not seen discussed on the board - he reported that Jalin Billingsley has been playing very well this summer. I had not heard/read this anywhere else. If Billingsley can contribute this season, that solves a lot of problems. He has the profile of a true modern power forward -6'7, 195 lbs, solidly built with some lower body strength, can shoot out to the 3 point line, has good skills in the post, able to put the ball on the floor and beat bigger/slower players, has some feel for passing. He has flaws - needs to improve body/conditioning, hard to assess what kind of defender he is, reportedly seemed to be inconsistent in his focus in high school, etc. but he has a very nice offensive skill set and the right size for the position. If he actually has been playing well this summer, and If he can give us some solid minutes at the 4 if/when King plays at the 5 - that could open up some nice possibilities for a small ball lineup. It would be awesome if JB can contribute this year. That would make it a loaded roster with players to fit every position and style of play. From his write-ups, it looks like Rice added a dribble penetration to his repertoire. Plus, we saw Carey effectively take it to the hoop every now and then. Potentially, with Aminu and Jordan, we could have 4 or 5 6’5”+ perimeter threats who can dribble and get to the rim. New-look Hoyas!!! |
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Post by daytonahoya31 on Sept 14, 2021 4:57:27 GMT -5
Talent wins and point guard play wins in college basketball and we have a lot of both.
10th is ridiculous. Middle of the pack is fine to predict, but honestly I wouldn’t be shocked if we finish top 4/5….
This roster has a ton of talent and versatility. And Dante is one of the best point guards in the conference
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2021 7:36:40 GMT -5
The data in that "3 Man Weave" article was interesting - our net rating with Tim playing was basically the same as our net rating with Wahab playing. We were a little better defensively, and a little worse offensively - with Tim on the court. I guess the hope would be that Aminu/Riley would allow our offense to focus less on post ups and more on attacking the basket off the dribble- thus reducing the need for the center to play a big role in the offense. If Tim can play good D and set solid screens - we might not be hurt as much by Wahab's departure as it initially felt like we would. There are a lot of potentially good pieces on this team. But only "potentially" good - we'll need to see how it plays out on the court In a Hilltop Hoops podcast a couple of weeks ago, one of the hosts shared a piece of news I have not seen discussed on the board - he reported that Jalin Billingsley has been playing very well this summer. I had not heard/read this anywhere else. If Billingsley can contribute this season, that solves a lot of problems. He has the profile of a true modern power forward -6'7, 195 lbs, solidly built with some lower body strength, can shoot out to the 3 point line, has good skills in the post, able to put the ball on the floor and beat bigger/slower players, has some feel for passing. He has flaws - needs to improve body/conditioning, hard to assess what kind of defender he is, reportedly seemed to be inconsistent in his focus in high school, etc. but he has a very nice offensive skill set and the right size for the position. If he actually has been playing well this summer, and If he can give us some solid minutes at the 4 if/when King plays at the 5 - that could open up some nice possibilities for a small ball lineup. It would be awesome if JB can contribute this year. That would make it a loaded roster with players to fit every position and style of play. From his write-ups, it looks like Rice added a dribble penetration to his repertoire. Plus, we saw Carey effectively take it to the hoop every now and then. Potentially, with Aminu and Jordan, we could have 4 or 5 6’5”+ perimeter threats who can dribble and get to the rim. New-look Hoyas!!! Sounds very encouraging. The more guys that get to the hoop the better. We still need shooters to open up the lanes that's why missing out on Watson was a blow. I heard he can knock down the jumper but anyways, no crying over spilled milk. I hope coach can get a couple of forwards who have decent mid range and long range games from the transfer market (assuming if we don't get Livingston) and specifically so that they can pose a threat with their outside game so that they can help open up the lanes for our slashers. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2021 7:43:36 GMT -5
Talent wins and point guard play wins in college basketball and we have a lot of both. 10th is ridiculous. Middle of the pack is fine to predict, but honestly I wouldn’t be shocked if we finish top 4/5…. This roster has a ton of talent and versatility. And Dante is one of the best point guards in the conference Well we should have a "chip" on our shoulder, if the guys think that they are being underappreciated with the 10th rank, which should give us something to fight for. However, in all honesty, I don't think the rankings are too far off considering we don't have but one or two upperclassmen on the team. I suspect that we are in between 7 and 10. Remember, we are a young team and it is going to take time for the guys to learn the playbook and learn how to play together. If we had seniors, the seniors could help the young guys with learning the plays. Also with a veteran team, the unfamiliarity wouldn't be there as everyone would know each other's game. So preseason rank of 10 is not too far off. However, it doesn't mean that we have to finish at the 10th spot especially if guys can come together quickly, learn each other's game and find an identity as a team. |
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Post by professorhoya on Sept 14, 2021 8:18:31 GMT -5
All I needed to know about that was he said Jalen Harris was a key lost If someone says Jalen Harris is a key loss, they should not be a sportswriter. They are just lazy. Sportswriter ranking 350 out of 350. |
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Post by daytonahoya31 on Sept 14, 2021 8:52:54 GMT -5
Talent wins and point guard play wins in college basketball and we have a lot of both. 10th is ridiculous. Middle of the pack is fine to predict, but honestly I wouldn’t be shocked if we finish top 4/5…. This roster has a ton of talent and versatility. And Dante is one of the best point guards in the conference Well we should have a "chip" on our shoulder, if the guys think that they are being underappreciated with the 10th rank, which should give us something to fight for. However, in all honesty, I don't think the rankings are too far off considering we don't have but one or two upperclassmen on the team. I suspect that we are in between 7 and 10. Remember, we are a young team and it is going to take time for the guys to learn the playbook and learn how to play together. If we had seniors, the seniors could help the young guys with learning the plays. Also with a veteran team, the unfamiliarity wouldn't be there as everyone would know each other's game. So preseason rank of 10 is not too far off. However, it doesn't mean that we have to finish at the 10th spot especially if guys can come together quickly, learn each other's game and find an identity as a team. This isn’t 1984. You can be young and win. You just need to be talented. We are very talented. We have a roster more than good enough to win at a high level |
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Post by hoyazeke on Sept 14, 2021 8:54:26 GMT -5
Talent wins and point guard play wins in college basketball and we have a lot of both. 10th is ridiculous. Middle of the pack is fine to predict, but honestly I wouldn’t be shocked if we finish top 4/5…. This roster has a ton of talent and versatility. And Dante is one of the best point guards in the conference ^this^ This team without Dante is probably in the 10th range but Dante proved to be one of the best PGs in the conference. Maybe country. Guard play dominates college bball and we have a dog that is going to be better than when we last saw him. I can't wait for the season to start.... |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2021 9:00:20 GMT -5
Well we should have a "chip" on our shoulder, if the guys think that they are being underappreciated with the 10th rank, which should give us something to fight for. However, in all honesty, I don't think the rankings are too far off considering we don't have but one or two upperclassmen on the team. I suspect that we are in between 7 and 10. Remember, we are a young team and it is going to take time for the guys to learn the playbook and learn how to play together. If we had seniors, the seniors could help the young guys with learning the plays. Also with a veteran team, the unfamiliarity wouldn't be there as everyone would know each other's game. So preseason rank of 10 is not too far off. However, it doesn't mean that we have to finish at the 10th spot especially if guys can come together quickly, learn each other's game and find an identity as a team. This isn’t 1984. You can be young and win. You just need to be talented. We are very talented. We have a roster more than good enough to win at a high level 1984? |
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