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Post by hoyaboya on Sept 15, 2021 12:32:40 GMT -5
Fanta is more even handed in comparison or Posh and Harris. Althon has Posh as first team and Dante as no mention. I said it before and will say it again - two cats w very similar games and skill sets, will be really fun to watch them compete over the next three years. Posh is no better than Dante I agree with the Dante/Posh assessment. Posh is stronger and a better finisher at the rim while Dante is quicker and a better shooter. They both are dogs on D. Alexander is clearly the better of the two players after their first college season. Statistical lines: Alexander: 10.9 ppg, 4.3 apg, 3.4 rpg, 2.6 spg, 2.3 turnovers/game, 45.4% fg, 29.9% 3fg Harris: 8.0 ppg, 3.2 apg, 3.4 rpg, 1.2 spg, 2.3 turnovers/game, 34.9% fg, 26.0% 3fg
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Post by seaweed on Sept 15, 2021 12:45:09 GMT -5
I agree with the Dante/Posh assessment. Posh is stronger and a better finisher at the rim while Dante is quicker and a better shooter. They both are dogs on D. Alexander is clearly the better of the two players after their first college season. Statistical lines: Alexander: 10.9 ppg, 4.3 apg, 3.4 rpg, 2.6 spg, 2.3 turnovers/game, 45.4% fg, 29.9% 3fg Harris: 8.0 ppg, 3.2 apg, 3.4 rpg, 1.2 spg, 2.3 turnovers/game, 34.9% fg, 26.0% 3fg How many BET Titles did Posh win?
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Post by professorhoya on Sept 15, 2021 12:52:05 GMT -5
Alexander is clearly the better of the two players after their first college season. Statistical lines: Alexander: 10.9 ppg, 4.3 apg, 3.4 rpg, 2.6 spg, 2.3 turnovers/game, 45.4% fg, 29.9% 3fg Harris: 8.0 ppg, 3.2 apg, 3.4 rpg, 1.2 spg, 2.3 turnovers/game, 34.9% fg, 26.0% 3fg How many BET Titles did Posh win? How many BET MVP's did Poshy win?
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Sept 15, 2021 16:00:35 GMT -5
I don't think the defensive ranking is a little misleading. I think if you look at the teams that torched us last year you'll find a common thread between most save UCONN who just bullied us in that second game. When teams had centers who could pick and pop/step out and hit shots we struggled. Mainly because while Q was great at protecting the rim his lack of lateral quickness made it tough for him to guard on the perimeter. Those teams would be St John's, Nova, and Colorado. When they had bigs who weren't a threat from the outside for the most part we played well defensively, especially after Bile started getting more minutes. Scheme can only take you so far imo. Exactly, well said. Not to mention that that type of thinking assumes other teams ranked were more consistent than us. That’s just the nature of amateur sports. If we consistently played to our defensive potential we would’ve been a top 20 defensive team. But if every other team also played to their defensive potential who knows what the list would look like… Rock, you're right to hit on the consistency point. And there is truth to that. But, if you look at our season, really our defense got a lot better at the end of the year mostly in the BET and was putrid before that (and after against Colorado). For example, on January 8, 2021, our defense was ranked 104 - basically in the same bad territory as Ewing's other three seasons. Fast forward to February 10, 2021, and our defense was actually worse at 116. By February 24, 2021, we were up to 85. We ended the regular season with our defense ranked 87--better than Ewing's first three years, but not by much. It was really the BET run that caused our defense to catapult up. In the 2020-2021 season, wee played 16 games at an 87 defense, and then our spectacular defense in the BET (and it really was exceptional) was so good that it raised us to 41. Then, we dropped 8 spots after really bad defense against Colorado. I am not trying to detract from the BET, but under Ewing the team's defense has essentially been ranked 85 or worse. EXCEPT, for four spectacular games, it was among the best defense in the country. But, then against Colorado it was putrid again. Of course, that's the definition of being inconsistent, but I would feel better if we had more runs of great defense than 4 games (plus maybe a handful more) in the last 4 years.
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Post by rockhoya on Sept 15, 2021 16:13:41 GMT -5
Exactly, well said. Not to mention that that type of thinking assumes other teams ranked were more consistent than us. That’s just the nature of amateur sports. If we consistently played to our defensive potential we would’ve been a top 20 defensive team. But if every other team also played to their defensive potential who knows what the list would look like… Rock, you're right to hit on the consistency point. And there is truth to that. But, if you look at our season, really our defense got a lot better at the end of the year mostly in the BET and was putrid before that (and after against Colorado). For example, on January 8, 2021, our defense was ranked 104 - basically in the same bad territory as Ewing's other three seasons. Fast forward to February 10, 2021, and our defense was actually worse at 116. By February 24, 2021, we were up to 85. We ended the regular season with our defense ranked 87--better than Ewing's first three years, but not by much. It was really the BET run that caused our defense to catapult up. In the 2020-2021 season, wee played 16 games at an 87 defense, and then our spectacular defense in the BET (and it really was exceptional) was so good that it raised us to 41. Then, we dropped 8 spots after really bad defense against Colorado. I am not trying to detract from the BET, but under Ewing the team's defense has essentially been ranked 85 or worse. EXCEPT, for four spectacular games, it was among the best defense in the country. But, then against Colorado it was putrid again. Of course, that's the definition of being inconsistent, but I would feel better if we had more runs of great defense than 4 games (plus maybe a handful more) in the last 4 years. I understand and respect the point you’re trying to make but I think you’re misinterpreting the stars by looking at the defensive rankings at points in time in a vacuum. There will be several other factors that come into play, including like I alluded to earlier the relative performance of other teams during the same period. It’s a small enough sample of game a to look at them individually and our defense post break was actually consistently improved a as a whole. There were just a couple of stinkers (Uconn games) that were outliers and sunk it. It was definitely a tale of two halves and I think it’s a little shortsighted to overweigh those BET games like that. We didn’t just magically flip a switch that week, that’s not how it works (even that Kemba team had talent but just underperformed). We were playing improved team defense with Bile in the lineup, hence why I put $80 on them to win the BET the morning after the Providence game. The first money I had ever bet on my Hoyas. Take that with a grain of salt but we were consistently a good defensive team after our break…
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Post by hoyazeke on Sept 15, 2021 17:50:51 GMT -5
I agree with the Dante/Posh assessment. Posh is stronger and a better finisher at the rim while Dante is quicker and a better shooter. They both are dogs on D. Alexander is clearly the better of the two players after their first college season. Statistical lines: Alexander: 10.9 ppg, 4.3 apg, 3.4 rpg, 2.6 spg, 2.3 turnovers/game, 45.4% fg, 29.9% 3fg Harris: 8.0 ppg, 3.2 apg, 3.4 rpg, 1.2 spg, 2.3 turnovers/game, 34.9% fg, 26.0% 3fg You can't just look at stats and declare Posh better than Dante. Just like we can't just look at BET MVPs and declare Dante better than Posh. Dante struggled during the middle of the season and then hit his groove during the end. Posh started strong then was injured and finished a little slower. By BET Dante was playing on par with every PG in the BE... imo
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Post by jwp91 on Sept 15, 2021 18:32:22 GMT -5
I am a huge Dante fan, but he is not yet playing consistently at Posh’s level. Dante’s future looks very promising.
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Post by trillesthoya on Sept 15, 2021 21:20:58 GMT -5
Dante is a weird case, because I simultaneously feel like everyone else is severely underrating him while we as a fan base are severely overrating him. For the non-GU fans I think they’re just looking at his season stat line, which doesn’t tell you anything about his improvement over the course of the year. We on the other hand are seeing that BET MVP and assuming he’s a first team caliber guard, which is quite the jump considering for most of last season Dante was on the whole pretty bad.
If Dante can play at the level he did in the BET for the whole season or even better, he will be a national name before you know it. But our own expectations should probably be a bit more measured, would be unfair to expect a certain standard of play and feel disappointed if he isn’t that immediately. I’m confident he will get there, but if it’s not this year then no need to panic, he’ll be great sooner or later.
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Post by hoyaguy on Sept 15, 2021 21:41:23 GMT -5
Dante is a weird case, because I simultaneously feel like everyone else is severely underrating him while we as a fan base are severely overrating him. For the non-GU fans I think they’re just looking at his season stat line, which doesn’t tell you anything about his improvement over the course of the year. We on the other hand are seeing that BET MVP and assuming he’s a first team caliber guard, which is quite the jump considering for most of last season Dante was on the whole pretty bad. If Dante can play at the level he did in the BET for the whole season or even better, he will be a national name before you know it. But our own expectations should probably be a bit more measured, would be unfair to expect a certain standard of play and feel disappointed if he isn’t that immediately. I’m confident he will get there, but if it’s not this year then no need to panic, he’ll be great sooner or later. It will also help that he won’t have to play basically 40minutes a game lol which can destroy a player’s efficiency and shooting
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Post by seaweed on Sept 16, 2021 6:19:50 GMT -5
Dante is a weird case, because I simultaneously feel like everyone else is severely underrating him while we as a fan base are severely overrating him. For the non-GU fans I think they’re just looking at his season stat line, which doesn’t tell you anything about his improvement over the course of the year. We on the other hand are seeing that BET MVP and assuming he’s a first team caliber guard, which is quite the jump considering for most of last season Dante was on the whole pretty bad. If Dante can play at the level he did in the BET for the whole season or even better, he will be a national name before you know it. But our own expectations should probably be a bit more measured, would be unfair to expect a certain standard of play and feel disappointed if he isn’t that immediately. I’m confident he will get there, but if it’s not this year then no need to panic, he’ll be great sooner or later. Beard is the reason I don’t worry about over-rating Dante. If his level of play does not remain consistently high, Tyler will surpass and replace him quickly cause he’s got a big boy PG game with the Whitney Ylung experience and the Hargrove post grad year. I think Dante holds the spot and leads the team, but if he doesn’t, it will be because TB is better, not because Dante didn’t perform. We have two very solid and capable PGs, and Beard is even better as a CG.
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Post by SSHoya on Sept 17, 2021 7:32:15 GMT -5
For those hanging in and purchasing season tickets.
You should have received an email yesterday from the Athletic Department regarding contribution to men's basketball to maintain your seat location at Cap One. I have already purchased my season tickets.
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Post by hoyaboya on Sept 17, 2021 8:59:37 GMT -5
Dante is a weird case, because I simultaneously feel like everyone else is severely underrating him while we as a fan base are severely overrating him. For the non-GU fans I think they’re just looking at his season stat line, which doesn’t tell you anything about his improvement over the course of the year. We on the other hand are seeing that BET MVP and assuming he’s a first team caliber guard, which is quite the jump considering for most of last season Dante was on the whole pretty bad. If Dante can play at the level he did in the BET for the whole season or even better, he will be a national name before you know it. But our own expectations should probably be a bit more measured, would be unfair to expect a certain standard of play and feel disappointed if he isn’t that immediately. I’m confident he will get there, but if it’s not this year then no need to panic, he’ll be great sooner or later. This is a nice, measured post. Harris had a nice 4-day run and in the process saved Ewing from being on the hot seat going into his 5th season. On the whole, I think Dante Harris is the guy that we saw for 4 months and that recruiting gurus/high major college coaches saw play for years in high school/AAU settings. That is, a backup type PG at the Big East level who can provide a solid 10-15 minutes as a change of pace guy with good defense and solid leadership skills. I don't think the plan was ever for Dante Harris to be a 4-year starter at PG. Jalen Harris was supposed to be last year's starter and Tyler Beard was recruited in the same class as Dante Harris before taking a post-grad COVID year. By taking that post-grad year, Beard probably assured himself that he will start this season behind Harris in the PG pecking order. I believe Beard has more talent than Dante Harris and I think Denver Anglin does as well. Now will Harris outplay those two, sure it's possible. But I find it humorous that so many Hoyas fans think Harris is some sort of dynamo when everything about his career except for 4 days in NYC say that he's not particuarly good.
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Post by seaweed on Sept 17, 2021 9:19:55 GMT -5
This is a nice, measured post. Harris had a nice 4-day run and in the process saved Ewing from being on the hot seat going into his 5th season. On the whole, I think Dante Harris is the guy that we saw for 4 months and that recruiting gurus/high major college coaches saw play for years in high school/AAU settings. That is, a backup type PG at the Big East level who can provide a solid 10-15 minutes as a change of pace guy with good defense and solid leadership skills. I don't think the plan was ever for Dante Harris to be a 4-year starter at PG. Jalen Harris was supposed to be last year's starter and Tyler Beard was recruited in the same class as Dante Harris before taking a post-grad COVID year. By taking that post-grad year, Beard probably assured himself that he will start this season behind Harris in the PG pecking order. I believe Beard has more talent than Dante Harris and I think Denver Anglin does as well. Now will Harris outplay those two, sure it's possible. But I find it humorous that so many Hoyas fans think Harris is some sort of dynamo when everything about his career except for 4 days in NYC say that he's not particuarly good. For anyone wondering, go to Profile, Edit Profile and then the Privacy tab. Scroll down to the Block Member section, search any member name at all, and make sure to click all boxes including "hide this member's posts." You're welcome.
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Post by hoopsmccan on Sept 17, 2021 9:41:59 GMT -5
This is a nice, measured post. Harris had a nice 4-day run and in the process saved Ewing from being on the hot seat going into his 5th season. On the whole, I think Dante Harris is the guy that we saw for 4 months and that recruiting gurus/high major college coaches saw play for years in high school/AAU settings. That is, a backup type PG at the Big East level who can provide a solid 10-15 minutes as a change of pace guy with good defense and solid leadership skills. I don't think the plan was ever for Dante Harris to be a 4-year starter at PG. Jalen Harris was supposed to be last year's starter and Tyler Beard was recruited in the same class as Dante Harris before taking a post-grad COVID year. By taking that post-grad year, Beard probably assured himself that he will start this season behind Harris in the PG pecking order. I believe Beard has more talent than Dante Harris and I think Denver Anglin does as well. Now will Harris outplay those two, sure it's possible. But I find it humorous that so many Hoyas fans think Harris is some sort of dynamo when everything about his career except for 4 days in NYC say that he's not particuarly good. For anyone wondering, go to Profile, Edit Profile and then the Privacy tab. Scroll down to the Block Member section, search any member name at all, and make sure to click all boxes including "hide this member's posts." You're welcome. Where were you yesterday with this? It took me awhile noodling around to figure this out (didn’t help that I was on my phone rather than a computer). hm
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Post by hoyaboya on Sept 17, 2021 10:00:51 GMT -5
This is a nice, measured post. Harris had a nice 4-day run and in the process saved Ewing from being on the hot seat going into his 5th season. On the whole, I think Dante Harris is the guy that we saw for 4 months and that recruiting gurus/high major college coaches saw play for years in high school/AAU settings. That is, a backup type PG at the Big East level who can provide a solid 10-15 minutes as a change of pace guy with good defense and solid leadership skills. I don't think the plan was ever for Dante Harris to be a 4-year starter at PG. Jalen Harris was supposed to be last year's starter and Tyler Beard was recruited in the same class as Dante Harris before taking a post-grad COVID year. By taking that post-grad year, Beard probably assured himself that he will start this season behind Harris in the PG pecking order. I believe Beard has more talent than Dante Harris and I think Denver Anglin does as well. Now will Harris outplay those two, sure it's possible. But I find it humorous that so many Hoyas fans think Harris is some sort of dynamo when everything about his career except for 4 days in NYC say that he's not particuarly good. For anyone wondering, go to Profile, Edit Profile and then the Privacy tab. Scroll down to the Block Member section, search any member name at all, and make sure to click all boxes including "hide this member's posts." You're welcome. Why would you want to block someone's posts just because you don't agree with him/her? Is there anything in the paragraph that was written that is inaccurate?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2021 10:05:40 GMT -5
For anyone wondering, go to Profile, Edit Profile and then the Privacy tab. Scroll down to the Block Member section, search any member name at all, and make sure to click all boxes including "hide this member's posts." You're welcome. Why would you want to block someone's posts just because you don't agree with him/her? Is there anything in the paragraph that was written that is inaccurate? May I ask you why do you keep on insisting on making people get upset? Do you enjoy seeing people getting angry or is it that you want all the attention on you instead of the guys?
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Post by hoyaboya on Sept 17, 2021 10:08:55 GMT -5
Why would you want to block someone's posts just because you don't agree with him/her? Is there anything in the paragraph that was written that is inaccurate? May I ask you why do you keep on insisting on making people get upset? Do you enjoy seeing people getting angry or is it that you want all the attention on you instead of the guys? I am posting facts/opinions on a message board. I want the Hoyas to be a great basketball program and think that we have the potential to be one based on the conference we play in and resources devoted to the program. Just because my opinion may differ from some doesn't mean it's not valid. Why would anyone want to only have 1 set of opinions on a message board?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2021 10:13:53 GMT -5
May I ask you why do you keep on insisting on making people get upset? Do you enjoy seeing people getting angry or is it that you want all the attention on you instead of the guys? I am posting facts/opinions on a message board. I want the Hoyas to be a great basketball program and think that we have the potential to be one based on the conference we play in and resources devoted to the program. Just because my opinion may differ from some doesn't mean it's not valid. Why would anyone want to only have 1 set of opinions on a message board? It is okay to have your opinion. We are not concerned with your opinion. We have a problem where you constantly criticize the guys and the coach. We heard you say the same things a thousand times. After awhile it gets to be, for us, that you're trolling. Is it necessary to come on and attack Dante, in your last post, like you did? A lot of us on this board thinks it is uncalled for.
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Post by HometownHoya on Sept 17, 2021 11:19:11 GMT -5
May I ask you why do you keep on insisting on making people get upset? Do you enjoy seeing people getting angry or is it that you want all the attention on you instead of the guys? I am posting facts/opinions on a message board. I want the Hoyas to be a great basketball program and think that we have the potential to be one based on the conference we play in and resources devoted to the program. Just because my opinion may differ from some doesn't mean it's not valid. Why would anyone want to only have 1 set of opinions on a message board? If you want to have a valid conversation, how do you justify saying that Pat shouldn't recruit 5 stars in one thread but you want the Hoyas to be a great program in the other. We won't be great unless Pat goes for some 5 stars that show interest (he doesn't keep going after guys that have made it clear they're not going to GU). Reading through the lines, you clearly believe that Pat is the issue, not going for 5 stars. Unfortunately, you're not going to get much good faith conversation when you come into it with the bias that we should fire a head coach (and legend) just because he's only been slightly above average. Pat is trying to improve, maybe you should give him a chance. As far as what started this off, you say Harris isn't what he showed in 4 games but most believe that he was already trending that direction and hopefully that performance gave him the confidence to continue to break that ceiling. Opportunity pushed Dante into starting and he did the most with it, he will continue to have the opportunity and I believe he will continue to do the best with it he can.
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Post by rockhoya on Sept 17, 2021 11:23:48 GMT -5
May I ask you why do you keep on insisting on making people get upset? Do you enjoy seeing people getting angry or is it that you want all the attention on you instead of the guys? I am posting facts/opinions on a message board. I want the Hoyas to be a great basketball program and think that we have the potential to be one based on the conference we play in and resources devoted to the program. Just because my opinion may differ from some doesn't mean it's not valid. Why would anyone want to only have 1 set of opinions on a message board? You wouldn’t know a fact if it spit in your face though. So that’s why everyone is confused. You think Dante is a backup? No offense but you must really not understand the point of the game of basketball. You must’ve missed 90% of last season…
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