kghoya
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Post by kghoya on Feb 16, 2023 22:00:49 GMT -5
How far down the list of problems is 'seldom used frosh changes some social media pictures'?
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TC
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Post by TC on Feb 16, 2023 22:18:13 GMT -5
How far down the list of problems is 'seldom used frosh changes some social media pictures'? Higher than you are suggesting. APR matters.
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kghoya
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Post by kghoya on Feb 16, 2023 22:20:15 GMT -5
How far down the list of problems is 'seldom used frosh changes some social media pictures'? Higher than you are suggesting. APR matters. Can we agree to wait until we see who is coaching Georgetown in 23-24 before we pretend to know what the roster might look like?
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Post by BeantownHoya on Feb 16, 2023 22:21:25 GMT -5
How far down the list of problems is 'seldom used frosh changes some social media pictures'? Higher than you are suggesting. APR matters. Not to this coach...
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Post by EtomicB on Feb 16, 2023 22:48:29 GMT -5
I'm late to this convo and it's likely been covered but my 2 cents. If I were Denver and his family I would be frustrated too. You were recruited to be the backup PG at worst (with Dante in fold) and then Primo was brought in with the transfer influx. And even with Dante gone you can't carve out minutes on a 6 win 1 conference win team where the starting Guards have been abysmal for long stretches. As a sibling/parent I'd be livid too. Having said that, from the minutes he has played - he's looked poor. Even if we take away the shooting woes and chalk that up to the need for more playing time and comfort level - the thing that has shocked me is how poor his ball handling is. From the limited action I've seen him play its obvious why he's not getting backup PG duties and it's due to his ball handling or lack thereof more than anything else. My guess is that hes going to be an undersized shooting guard who can light up from 3 at somewhere like Monmouth (close to home) down the road. Hopefully he sticks around under a new HC, amd develops the needed handle at this level and goes to be a Gtown success story. But that seems like a pipe dream on many fronts. Likely another in a long line of barely knew you players over the last 6 seasons. I agree that Denver did not earn any playing time based on his performance when he was on the floor. He had some open 3’s and missed most of them. He clearly does not have D1 point guard skills. If he can come off the bench and hit over 40% of his three point shots, he could be a real asset in future seasons. If he is not showing that in practice, then he would likely not see much playing time. If he decides to transfer, I wish him success in finding a good fit for his skills. I can’t find much to blame on Ewing here. Anglin was a highly rated 4 star with a reputation as a deadly 3 point shooter. He had chances and shot poorly when he had those chances. Based on what he showed in those games, Ewing needed to look at Reilly and Bristol, two sophomores (in terms of eligibility) as better alternatives. Denver was given chances and did not impress when he had those chances. Anglin played 41 minutes in the first 14 games of the season, it shouldn't be surprising he struggled during the time Murray was hurt
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Feb 16, 2023 23:00:07 GMT -5
Our coach is just awful at every single aspect of his job. The amount of players who have left is mind boggling
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Post by prhoya on Feb 16, 2023 23:02:49 GMT -5
I'm late to this convo and it's likely been covered but my 2 cents. If I were Denver and his family I would be frustrated too. You were recruited to be the backup PG at worst (with Dante in fold) and then Primo was brought in with the transfer influx. And even with Dante gone you can't carve out minutes on a 6 win 1 conference win team where the starting Guards have been abysmal for long stretches. As a sibling/parent I'd be livid too. Having said that, from the minutes he has played - he's looked poor. Even if we take away the shooting woes and chalk that up to the need for more playing time and comfort level - the thing that has shocked me is how poor his ball handling is. From the limited action I've seen him play its obvious why he's not getting backup PG duties and it's due to his ball handling or lack thereof more than anything else. My guess is that hes going to be an undersized shooting guard who can light up from 3 at somewhere like Monmouth (close to home) down the road. Hopefully he sticks around under a new HC, amd develops the needed handle at this level and goes to be a Gtown success story. But that seems like a pipe dream on many fronts. Likely another in a long line of barely knew you players over the last 6 seasons. I agree that Denver did not earn any playing time based on his performance when he was on the floor. He had some open 3’s and missed most of them. He clearly does not have D1 point guard skills. If he can come off the bench and hit over 40% of his three point shots, he could be a real asset in future seasons. If he is not showing that in practice, then he would likely not see much playing time. If he decides to transfer, I wish him success in finding a good fit for his skills. I can’t find much to blame on Ewing here. Anglin was a highly rated 4 star with a reputation as a deadly 3 point shooter. He had chances and shot poorly when he had those chances. Based on what he showed in those games, Ewing needed to look at Reilly and Bristol, two sophomores (in terms of eligibility) as better alternatives. Denver was given chances and did not impress when he had those chances. Denver was not given chances. Ewing should’ve taken minutes away from Spears and Murray to get Denver around 10 mpg. What difference would it have made for a 1-win team? Ewing is to blame for killing his confidence. It’s been a wasted year for Denver in terms of development.
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Post by kghoya on Feb 16, 2023 23:13:47 GMT -5
We all know the negatives. That being said, Ewing hasn't really missed on evaluating* a freshman yet. Right?
Has there been a frosh who left and then played meaningful mins on a power 6 team? Maybe I'm forgetting someone.
Ewing has played guys right away that can play. Sibley was similarly ranked as Anglin.
And by *evaluating I mean once they got to practice. Obviously you can point out that Ewing and staff wanted these guys that that aren't playing.
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Post by madgesiq92 on Feb 17, 2023 6:16:52 GMT -5
"Ewing hasn't lost the locker room yet!" I would’ve preferred Georgetown remove all pictures and references to Patrick Ewing on their official website and social media pages.
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Post by hoya9797 on Feb 17, 2023 7:53:43 GMT -5
Inappropriate? Whenever virtually everyone who gets close to a person decides to get away asap, how else would you describe him? "Moron" would not come to mind, but I admit that I'm old enough and sufficiently behind the times where being a "gentleman" was in the job description for most grads. My bad. That’s not the comment (also 100% accurate) that was deleted.
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Post by calhoya on Feb 17, 2023 8:22:06 GMT -5
Hopefully the kid does what will make him happy and allow him to pursue his basketball career. He came to the Hilltop and has not been given much of an opportunity--though much more than Bass and Ryan. He clearly has much development to do to realize the potential that many have touted. Shooting 18.5% from deep and forcing shots certainly did not help his cause, but then this happens with kids who get very limited opportunities. The fact that he attempted to move the ball in contrast to some of the other players on the team is encouraging. Wish him the best in whatever decision he makes and hope that he at least waits on the next coach before deciding.
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Post by prhoya on Feb 17, 2023 8:40:16 GMT -5
We all know the negatives. That being said, Ewing hasn't really missed on evaluating* a freshman yet. Right? Has there been a frosh who left and then played meaningful mins on a power 6 team? Maybe I'm forgetting someone. Ewing has played guys right away that can play. Sibley was similarly ranked as Anglin. And by *evaluating I mean once they got to practice. Obviously you can point out that Ewing and staff wanted these guys that that aren't playing. Tough to say. Unless forced by injury or foul trouble, has Pat ever given regular rotation minutes to a freshman in a position occupied by a proven player? Akinjo and Mac do not count because they came in to fill holes on a team that had no PGs, sophomore Blair was the worst defender and ballhandler under Pat (he improved as the years went by) and Jr. Jagan was a role/bench player at best (i.e., he wasn’t a BE starter). That team was missing a PG and a 35-mpg level SG. For example, if Jalen Harris would’ve stayed and been as good as Pat thought, Jalen would’ve played Spears-like mpg and freshman Dante would’ve seen a few minutes here and there like Denver. As we have seen, Pat runs his starters into the ground in lieu of player/freshmen’s development. Who knows what Denver would look like if he had played 10 mpg this year, and there are 10 mpg for a Top 100 player of a 6-win level team.
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Post by hoyajinx on Feb 17, 2023 8:56:38 GMT -5
I don’t think Ewing deserves the benefit of the doubt in any of his decision making with respect to, well, really anything over the past two years. You don’t have a 1-36 in conference record over two seasons because you have a good handle on the situation. Any of us could coach this team and have AT MOST one fewer conference win than he, and the school wouldn’t even have to pay us 4 million per to do it.
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Post by prhoya on Feb 17, 2023 9:09:16 GMT -5
I don’t think Ewing deserves the benefit of the doubt in any of his decision making with respect to, well, really anything over the past two years. You don’t have a 1-36 in conference record over two seasons because you have a good handle on the situation. Any of us could coach this team and have AT MOST one fewer conference win than he, and the school wouldn’t even have to pay us 4 million per to do it. I would take a nominal salary as GU head coach, hire the best available and experienced defensive, offensive and recruiting assistants at $1M each, and get out of the way. The DOBO would be a former player, not my cousin. The Chief of Staff position would be replaced by a life/school/wellness coach for the players. The analytics person would be a super numbers nerd. Finally, the S&C would be the best in the business. I bet we would win more than 1 conference game in two years and save a lot of money for the school.
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Post by kghoya on Feb 17, 2023 10:52:30 GMT -5
We all know the negatives. That being said, Ewing hasn't really missed on evaluating* a freshman yet. Right? Has there been a frosh who left and then played meaningful mins on a power 6 team? Maybe I'm forgetting someone. Ewing has played guys right away that can play. Sibley was similarly ranked as Anglin. And by *evaluating I mean once they got to practice. Obviously you can point out that Ewing and staff wanted these guys that that aren't playing. Tough to say. Unless forced by injury or foul trouble, has Pat ever given regular rotation minutes to a freshman in a position occupied by a proven player? Akinjo and Mac do not count because they came in to fill holes on a team that had no PGs, sophomore Blair was the worst defender and ballhandler under Pat (he improved as the years went by) and Jr. Jagan was a role/bench player at best (i.e., he wasn’t a BE starter). That team was missing a PG and a 35-mpg level SG. For example, if Jalen Harris would’ve stayed and been as good as Pat thought, Jalen would’ve played Spears-like mpg and freshman Dante would’ve seen a few minutes here and there like Denver. As we have seen, Pat runs his starters into the ground in lieu of player/freshmen’s development. Who knows what Denver would look like if he had played 10 mpg this year, and there are 10 mpg for a Top 100 player of a 6-win level team. If you look back and look at the game logs for Dante when Jalen was on the team, Dante was getting the kind of minutes most think/wish Denver was getting this season now.
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Post by prhoya on Feb 17, 2023 11:41:33 GMT -5
Tough to say. Unless forced by injury or foul trouble, has Pat ever given regular rotation minutes to a freshman in a position occupied by a proven player? Akinjo and Mac do not count because they came in to fill holes on a team that had no PGs, sophomore Blair was the worst defender and ballhandler under Pat (he improved as the years went by) and Jr. Jagan was a role/bench player at best (i.e., he wasn’t a BE starter). That team was missing a PG and a 35-mpg level SG. For example, if Jalen Harris would’ve stayed and been as good as Pat thought, Jalen would’ve played Spears-like mpg and freshman Dante would’ve seen a few minutes here and there like Denver. As we have seen, Pat runs his starters into the ground in lieu of player/freshmen’s development. Who knows what Denver would look like if he had played 10 mpg this year, and there are 10 mpg for a Top 100 player of a 6-win level team. If you look back and look at the game logs for Dante when Jalen was on the team, Dante was getting the kind of minutes most think/wish Denver was getting this season now. True, because Jalen wasn’t (as I said above) “as good as Pat thought”.
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Post by tgo on Feb 17, 2023 12:45:57 GMT -5
I'm late to this convo and it's likely been covered but my 2 cents. If I were Denver and his family I would be frustrated too. You were recruited to be the backup PG at worst (with Dante in fold) and then Primo was brought in with the transfer influx. And even with Dante gone you can't carve out minutes on a 6 win 1 conference win team where the starting Guards have been abysmal for long stretches. As a sibling/parent I'd be livid too. Having said that, from the minutes he has played - he's looked poor. Even if we take away the shooting woes and chalk that up to the need for more playing time and comfort level - the thing that has shocked me is how poor his ball handling is. From the limited action I've seen him play its obvious why he's not getting backup PG duties and it's due to his ball handling or lack thereof more than anything else. My guess is that hes going to be an undersized shooting guard who can light up from 3 at somewhere like Monmouth (close to home) down the road. Hopefully he sticks around under a new HC, amd develops the needed handle at this level and goes to be a Gtown success story. But that seems like a pipe dream on many fronts. Likely another in a long line of barely knew you players over the last 6 seasons. I agree that Denver did not earn any playing time based on his performance when he was on the floor. He had some open 3’s and missed most of them. He clearly does not have D1 point guard skills. If he can come off the bench and hit over 40% of his three point shots, he could be a real asset in future seasons. If he is not showing that in practice, then he would likely not see much playing time. If he decides to transfer, I wish him success in finding a good fit for his skills. I can’t find much to blame on Ewing here. Anglin was a highly rated 4 star with a reputation as a deadly 3 point shooter. He had chances and shot poorly when he had those chances. Based on what he showed in those games, Ewing needed to look at Reilly and Bristol, two sophomores (in terms of eligibility) as better alternatives. Denver was given chances and did not impress when he had those chances. Apparently I was in a coma and missed all the games that Denver got minutes. Apparently that is when he proved that he is such a liability that we can't even consider sitting Primo for 5 minutes a game to give him some run and get a feel for the competition level and have a remote chance to get confidence in his shot. Imagine how much worse some of these games would have been if we had traded a couple of late game exhausted TOs or jumpers that tired legs send to the front of the rim from Primo for a couple of missed 3 pointers from Denver. And heaven forbid if Denver he had gotten to play in front of his family this week in another of our meaningless losses whose outcome was determined long ago. How could Pat sleep at night if he were to allow that to happen under his watch. The team has yet to recover from having Riley be forced in to the starting line from the deep bench, I don't know how they lived through him averaging double digits when he finally got to play. Fingers crossed that Ryan doesn't get the chance to get comfortable on the court, we can't have him scoring points or getting rebounds and taking minutes 25 thru 30 from Wahab. Too bad for Denver that all of the "personal reasons" that Ewing doles out were already spoken for. Denver would have been better off if he has some "personal issues" back in December so he could save his eligibility and possibly more importantly save himself some frustration.
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Post by TC on Feb 17, 2023 12:56:37 GMT -5
Higher than you are suggesting. APR matters. Can we agree to wait until we see who is coaching Georgetown in 23-24 before we pretend to know what the roster might look like? I'm sure he wiped his social media clean because he plans to patiently wait to see who Georgetown chooses, even though they haven't made a move yet and generally have moved at a glacial pace in the past.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Feb 17, 2023 14:04:49 GMT -5
If you look back and look at the game logs for Dante when Jalen was on the team, Dante was getting the kind of minutes most think/wish Denver was getting this season now. True, because Jalen wasn’t (as I said above) “as good as Pat thought”. Ironically, if Jalen Harris was on that team, Ewing would have likely played him a lot, there's a good chance he would have taken at least some of Dante Harris' minutes in the BET, we may not have won, Ewing may not have gotten an extension, and who knows where we'd be today? It's just interesting how small changes can lead to unexpected consequences.
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Post by kghoya on Feb 17, 2023 15:56:25 GMT -5
Can we agree to wait until we see who is coaching Georgetown in 23-24 before we pretend to know what the roster might look like? I'm sure he wiped his social media clean because he plans to patiently wait to see who Georgetown chooses, even though they haven't made a move yet and generally have moved at a glacial pace in the past. I'm sure college kids never do spontaneous things. Every move is calculated and irreversible.
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