hoyaboya
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Post by hoyaboya on May 12, 2022 13:08:19 GMT -5
If Anglin is as ready as this pundit says he is, Aglin will play, logjam or not. Ewing consistently has given freshmen playing time when he's felt they could produce immediately (see--Pickett, Blair, Akinjo, Mac, LeBlanc, Harris, Mohammed). I ts worth noting that no one who transferred from Ewing's Hoyas due to lack of playing time suddenly blossomed elsewhere. We'll see if that changes with Billingsley or Beard, who are taking big steps down in order to find playing time. Among those fringe players who stuck around, Ewing has had mixed results (Igohefe, Wilson, Clark never really progressed much, but Wahab and Holloway took significant sophomore leaps). This is because, in addition to being bad at most parts of his job, Ewing has proven to be below average at developing the talent he gets. Kids typically come here as decent recruits with clear talent, but don't progress as basketball players. Was Aminu Mohammed any better at the end of last season than he was at the beginning, for example? If I was advising a high school kid on where to go to college to improve and have a chance at playing professionally, Georgetown under Patrick Ewing is about the last place I'd suggest he go.
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iowa80
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Post by iowa80 on May 12, 2022 13:24:19 GMT -5
If Anglin is as ready as this pundit says he is, Aglin will play, logjam or not. Ewing consistently has given freshmen playing time when he's felt they could produce immediately (see--Pickett, Blair, Akinjo, Mac, LeBlanc, Harris, Mohammed). I ts worth noting that no one who transferred from Ewing's Hoyas due to lack of playing time suddenly blossomed elsewhere. We'll see if that changes with Billingsley or Beard, who are taking big steps down in order to find playing time. Among those fringe players who stuck around, Ewing has had mixed results (Igohefe, Wilson, Clark never really progressed much, but Wahab and Holloway took significant sophomore leaps). This is because, in addition to being bad at most parts of his job, Ewing has proven to be below average at developing the talent he gets. Kids typically come here as decent recruits with clear talent, but don't progress as basketball players. Was Aminu Mohammed any better at the end of last season than he was at the beginning, for example? If I was advising a high school kid on where to go to college to improve and have a chance at playing professionally, Georgetown under Patrick Ewing is about the last place I'd suggest he go. It seems inconsistent to knock Pat for not retaining players and then knock him for not developing individual talent, which takes time. Frankly, his job is more about developing a team to win games—not that he’s good at that. If Aminu couldn’t come up with a decent shot throughout his one year, I doubt that’s on coaching.
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Post by blueandgray on May 12, 2022 14:28:17 GMT -5
Pat developed Jamarko and Yurt…both who seem to be exceeding (at least at this stage) their nba expectations.
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Post by bills on May 12, 2022 14:46:15 GMT -5
If Anglin is as ready as this pundit says he is, Aglin will play, logjam or not. Ewing consistently has given freshmen playing time when he's felt they could produce immediately (see--Pickett, Blair, Akinjo, Mac, LeBlanc, Harris, Mohammed). I ts worth noting that no one who transferred from Ewing's Hoyas due to lack of playing time suddenly blossomed elsewhere. We'll see if that changes with Billingsley or Beard, who are taking big steps down in order to find playing time. Among those fringe players who stuck around, Ewing has had mixed results (Igohefe, Wilson, Clark never really progressed much, but Wahab and Holloway took significant sophomore leaps). This is because, in addition to being bad at most parts of his job, Ewing has proven to be below average at developing the talent he gets. Kids typically come here as decent recruits with clear talent, but don't progress as basketball players. Was Aminu Mohammed any better at the end of last season than he was at the beginning, for example? If I was advising a high school kid on where to go to college to improve and have a chance at playing professionally, Georgetown under Patrick Ewing is about the last place I'd suggest he go.
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Post by bills on May 12, 2022 14:47:34 GMT -5
If Anglin is as ready as this pundit says he is, Aglin will play, logjam or not. Ewing consistently has given freshmen playing time when he's felt they could produce immediately (see--Pickett, Blair, Akinjo, Mac, LeBlanc, Harris, Mohammed). I ts worth noting that no one who transferred from Ewing's Hoyas due to lack of playing time suddenly blossomed elsewhere. We'll see if that changes with Billingsley or Beard, who are taking big steps down in order to find playing time. Among those fringe players who stuck around, Ewing has had mixed results (Igohefe, Wilson, Clark never really progressed much, but Wahab and Holloway took significant sophomore leaps). This is because, in addition to being bad at most parts of his job, Ewing has proven to be below average at developing the talent he gets. Kids typically come here as decent recruits with clear talent, but don't progress as basketball players. Was Aminu Mohammed any better at the end of last season than he was at the beginning, for example? If I was advising a high school kid on where to go to college to improve and have a chance at playing professionally, Georgetown under Patrick Ewing is about the last place I'd suggest he go. In your opinion.
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Post by southernhoyafan on May 12, 2022 15:48:14 GMT -5
If Anglin is as ready as this pundit says he is, Aglin will play, logjam or not. Ewing consistently has given freshmen playing time when he's felt they could produce immediately (see--Pickett, Blair, Akinjo, Mac, LeBlanc, Harris, Mohammed). I ts worth noting that no one who transferred from Ewing's Hoyas due to lack of playing time suddenly blossomed elsewhere. We'll see if that changes with Billingsley or Beard, who are taking big steps down in order to find playing time. Among those fringe players who stuck around, Ewing has had mixed results (Igohefe, Wilson, Clark never really progressed much, but Wahab and Holloway took significant sophomore leaps). This is because, in addition to being bad at most parts of his job, Ewing has proven to be below average at developing the talent he gets. Kids typically come here as decent recruits with clear talent, but don't progress as basketball players. Was Aminu Mohammed any better at the end of last season than he was at the beginning, for example? If I was advising a high school kid on where to go to college to improve and have a chance at playing professionally, Georgetown under Patrick Ewing is about the last place I'd suggest he go. This is a bunch of bull. Your argument that he has been below average at developing talent has huge holes in it. Everyone that is recruited and signed cannot be developed. Igohefe, Wilson, and others were projects from day one. All projects do not pan out and thats because they do not have all of the tools necessary to develop into top level talent. But sometimes you take chances and give it a shot. Secondly, go back to the home page of this site and look down the right hand side of the transfer out list and look at the number of kids who are transferring out of Big East schools. They are transferring down to schools that best fit their skill level. Look at their stats/production in comparison to the kids that are transferring out of Georgetown. Looks the same pretty much huh? And the kids transferring out of other Big East school are not transferring to Power 5 schools. So all Big East coaches with transfers are below average in developing talent as well right? Or go look in the transfer portal for me... Look at the stats/production of the kids transferring out of Power 5 schools. I bet for the most part, you will find the same type of stats as those kids leaving Georgetown. Does that mean that those coaches are below average at developing talent too? Wait. Its just Patrick Ewing that bad at it... My bad. Butler (2) Bryce Golden to Loyola-IL Mike Parker, F, 0.8 ppg Connecticut (5) Corey Floyd to Providence Rahsool Diggins to UMass Jalen Gaffney to Florida Atl. Akok Akok, F, 3.4 ppg Matt Garry, G, 0.2 ppg Creighton (1) M. Kancleris to CS-Bakersfield DePaul (2) Courvoisier McCauley to Ind. St. David Jones to St. John's Georgetown (7) Tyler Beard to Pacific Kobe Clark to SE Missouri Jalin Billingsley to E. Michigan Timothy Ighoefe, C, 2.8 ppg Donald Carey, G, 10.9 ppg Collin Holloway, F, 7.2 ppg Chuma Azinge, G, 0.6 ppg Marquette (1) Greg Elliott, F, 5.6 ppg Providence (3) Matteus Case to Wm.& Mary Brycen Goodine to Fairfield Legend Geeterto E. Michigan St. John's (2) Jalen Rosemond, F, 0.0 ppg Artemios Gavalas, F, 0.4 ppg Seton Hall (4) Ryan Conway to Towson Tyler Powell, G, 0.5 ppg Brandon Weston, G, 0.0 ppg Jonnivius Smith, F, 0.9 ppg Villanova (1) Bryan Antoine, G, 1.5 ppg Xavier (3) Dwon Odom to Georgia St. Spencer Cody, G, 0.0 ppg Ben Stanley, F, 3.2 ppg
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Post by bigskyhoya on May 12, 2022 16:04:24 GMT -5
This is because, in addition to being bad at most parts of his job, Ewing has proven to be below average at developing the talent he gets. Kids typically come here as decent recruits with clear talent, but don't progress as basketball players. Was Aminu Mohammed any better at the end of last season than he was at the beginning, for example? If I was advising a high school kid on where to go to college to improve and have a chance at playing professionally, Georgetown under Patrick Ewing is about the last place I'd suggest he go. This is a bunch of bull. Your argument that he has been below average at developing talent has huge holes in it. Everyone that is recruited and signed cannot be developed. Igohefe, Wilson, and others were projects from day one. All projects do not pan out and thats because they do not have all of the tools necessary to develop into top level talent. But sometimes you take chances and give it a shot. Secondly, go back to the home page of this site and look down the right hand side of the transfer out list and look at the number of kids who are transferring out of Big East schools. They are transferring down to schools that best fit their skill level. Look at their stats/production in comparison to the kids that are transferring out of Georgetown. Looks the same pretty much huh? And the kids transferring out of other Big East school are not transferring to Power 5 schools. So all Big East coaches with transfers are below average in developing talent as well right? Or go look in the transfer portal for me... Look at the stats/production of the kids transferring out of Power 5 schools. I bet for the most part, you will find the same type of stats as those kids leaving Georgetown. Does that mean that those coaches are below average at developing talent too? Wait. Its just Patrick Ewing that bad at it... My bad. Butler (2) Bryce Golden to Loyola-IL Mike Parker, F, 0.8 ppg Connecticut (5) Corey Floyd to Providence Rahsool Diggins to UMass Jalen Gaffney to Florida Atl. Akok Akok, F, 3.4 ppg Matt Garry, G, 0.2 ppg Creighton (1) M. Kancleris to CS-Bakersfield DePaul (2) Courvoisier McCauley to Ind. St. David Jones to St. John's Georgetown (7) Tyler Beard to Pacific Kobe Clark to SE Missouri Jalin Billingsley to E. Michigan Timothy Ighoefe, C, 2.8 ppg Donald Carey, G, 10.9 ppg Collin Holloway, F, 7.2 ppg Chuma Azinge, G, 0.6 ppg Marquette (1) Greg Elliott, F, 5.6 ppg Providence (3) Matteus Case to Wm.& Mary Brycen Goodine to Fairfield Legend Geeterto E. Michigan St. John's (2) Jalen Rosemond, F, 0.0 ppg Artemios Gavalas, F, 0.4 ppg Seton Hall (4) Ryan Conway to Towson Tyler Powell, G, 0.5 ppg Brandon Weston, G, 0.0 ppg Jonnivius Smith, F, 0.9 ppg Villanova (1) Bryan Antoine, G, 1.5 ppg Xavier (3) Dwon Odom to Georgia St. Spencer Cody, G, 0.0 ppg Ben Stanley, F, 3.2 ppg Those who blame everything on Patrick and those who absolve him entirely are in my opinion both wrong. But in the end every coach is, and should be, judged on results. And the results have been undeniably bad.
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Post by hoyaroc on May 12, 2022 16:19:40 GMT -5
Please guys the topic is about Denver. Must be a slow news day.
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Post by southernhoyafan on May 12, 2022 16:26:56 GMT -5
This is a bunch of bull. Your argument that he has been below average at developing talent has huge holes in it. Everyone that is recruited and signed cannot be developed. Igohefe, Wilson, and others were projects from day one. All projects do not pan out and thats because they do not have all of the tools necessary to develop into top level talent. But sometimes you take chances and give it a shot. Secondly, go back to the home page of this site and look down the right hand side of the transfer out list and look at the number of kids who are transferring out of Big East schools. They are transferring down to schools that best fit their skill level. Look at their stats/production in comparison to the kids that are transferring out of Georgetown. Looks the same pretty much huh? And the kids transferring out of other Big East school are not transferring to Power 5 schools. So all Big East coaches with transfers are below average in developing talent as well right? Or go look in the transfer portal for me... Look at the stats/production of the kids transferring out of Power 5 schools. I bet for the most part, you will find the same type of stats as those kids leaving Georgetown. Does that mean that those coaches are below average at developing talent too? Wait. Its just Patrick Ewing that bad at it... My bad. Butler (2) Bryce Golden to Loyola-IL Mike Parker, F, 0.8 ppg Connecticut (5) Corey Floyd to Providence Rahsool Diggins to UMass Jalen Gaffney to Florida Atl. Akok Akok, F, 3.4 ppg Matt Garry, G, 0.2 ppg Creighton (1) M. Kancleris to CS-Bakersfield DePaul (2) Courvoisier McCauley to Ind. St. David Jones to St. John's Georgetown (7) Tyler Beard to Pacific Kobe Clark to SE Missouri Jalin Billingsley to E. Michigan Timothy Ighoefe, C, 2.8 ppg Donald Carey, G, 10.9 ppg Collin Holloway, F, 7.2 ppg Chuma Azinge, G, 0.6 ppg Marquette (1) Greg Elliott, F, 5.6 ppg Providence (3) Matteus Case to Wm.& Mary Brycen Goodine to Fairfield Legend Geeterto E. Michigan St. John's (2) Jalen Rosemond, F, 0.0 ppg Artemios Gavalas, F, 0.4 ppg Seton Hall (4) Ryan Conway to Towson Tyler Powell, G, 0.5 ppg Brandon Weston, G, 0.0 ppg Jonnivius Smith, F, 0.9 ppg Villanova (1) Bryan Antoine, G, 1.5 ppg Xavier (3) Dwon Odom to Georgia St. Spencer Cody, G, 0.0 ppg Ben Stanley, F, 3.2 ppg Those who blame everything on Patrick and those who absolve him entirely are in my opinion both wrong. But in the end every coach is, and should be, judged on results. And the results have been undeniably bad. Agreed. I am in no way removing Pat of responsibility as he is the one that brought in a bunch of projects and decided to go to war with a bb gun which we see does not produce wins. However, now that there seems to be a desire to develop a new philosophy and new way of thinking which is more aligned with the new landscape of NCAA basketball, I am also willing to give him a chance and see what he can do with a more talented group of ballplayers... A more athletic group of ballplayers. With that being said, I can't wait to see Anglin get to work. Letting them go and knocking them down from the center court logo... Just watch the tape... He is a pure shooter. Not a scorer... A pure shooter... There is a difference. And to top it off, he is athletic and should not present to be a defensive liability.
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Post by hoyashooter on May 12, 2022 16:28:47 GMT -5
My assumption is that 90% of people on here really have no idea about basketball aside from what they watch in tv. It’s so easy to watch Georgetown and blame PE for everything, let’s be real here people. Let’s talk about Denver and all of his skills and how he is going to light it up … let’s stop bitching … in my opinion
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Post by EtomicB on May 12, 2022 16:30:17 GMT -5
This is because, in addition to being bad at most parts of his job, Ewing has proven to be below average at developing the talent he gets. Kids typically come here as decent recruits with clear talent, but don't progress as basketball players. Was Aminu Mohammed any better at the end of last season than he was at the beginning, for example? If I was advising a high school kid on where to go to college to improve and have a chance at playing professionally, Georgetown under Patrick Ewing is about the last place I'd suggest he go. This is a bunch of bull. Your argument that he has been below average at developing talent has huge holes in it. Everyone that is recruited and signed cannot be developed. Igohefe, Wilson, and others were projects from day one. All projects do not pan out and thats because they do not have all of the tools necessary to develop into top level talent. But sometimes you take chances and give it a shot. Secondly, go back to the home page of this site and look down the right hand side of the transfer out list and look at the number of kids who are transferring out of Big East schools. They are transferring down to schools that best fit their skill level. Look at their stats/production in comparison to the kids that are transferring out of Georgetown. Looks the same pretty much huh? And the kids transferring out of other Big East school are not transferring to Power 5 schools. So all Big East coaches with transfers are below average in developing talent as well right? Or go look in the transfer portal for me... Look at the stats/production of the kids transferring out of Power 5 schools. I bet for the most part, you will find the same type of stats as those kids leaving Georgetown. Does that mean that those coaches are below average at developing talent too? Wait. Its just Patrick Ewing that bad at it... My bad. Butler (2) Bryce Golden to Loyola-IL Mike Parker, F, 0.8 ppg Connecticut (5) Corey Floyd to Providence Rahsool Diggins to UMass Jalen Gaffney to Florida Atl. Akok Akok, F, 3.4 ppg Matt Garry, G, 0.2 ppg Creighton (1) M. Kancleris to CS-Bakersfield DePaul (2) Courvoisier McCauley to Ind. St. David Jones to St. John's Georgetown (7) Tyler Beard to Pacific Kobe Clark to SE Missouri Jalin Billingsley to E. Michigan Timothy Ighoefe, C, 2.8 ppg Donald Carey, G, 10.9 ppg Collin Holloway, F, 7.2 ppg Chuma Azinge, G, 0.6 ppg Marquette (1) Greg Elliott, F, 5.6 ppg Providence (3) Matteus Case to Wm.& Mary Brycen Goodine to Fairfield Legend Geeterto E. Michigan St. John's (2) Jalen Rosemond, F, 0.0 ppg Artemios Gavalas, F, 0.4 ppg Seton Hall (4) Ryan Conway to Towson Tyler Powell, G, 0.5 ppg Brandon Weston, G, 0.0 ppg Jonnivius Smith, F, 0.9 ppg Villanova (1) Bryan Antoine, G, 1.5 ppg Xavier (3) Dwon Odom to Georgia St. Spencer Cody, G, 0.0 ppg Ben Stanley, F, 3.2 ppg Arguing that most coaches are bad at developing players is not a good defense of PE's showing in this category...
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2022 16:36:42 GMT -5
I think Denver will be good for at least 15 mpg next year. He will share duties at the 1 and 2. Remember Dante being left open on the perimeter to tempt him to shoot? That will not happen with Denver, which will balance the rest of the opposition’s half-court defense and open space for the other 4 Hoyas. Plus, he’s supposed to be a good defender. I expect Anglin to back up Heath but if i was Pat I wouldn't be afraid to play Heath at the 1 from time to time to get Anglin more court time. Heath hasn't played a lot of pg in college but seeing as he's a veteran player with a lot of experience I'd be interested in seeing if he's capable of handling it. It also frees Denver up to do what he's best at.
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Post by hoya9797 on May 12, 2022 16:57:49 GMT -5
Those who blame everything on Patrick and those who absolve him entirely are in my opinion both wrong. But in the end every coach is, and should be, judged on results. And the results have been undeniably bad. Agreed. I am in no way removing Pat of responsibility as he is the one that brought in a bunch of projects and decided to go to war with a bb gun which we see does not produce wins. However, now that there seems to be a desire to develop a new philosophy and new way of thinking which is more aligned with the new landscape of NCAA basketball, I am also willing to give him a chance and see what he can do with a more talented group of ballplayers... A more athletic group of ballplayers. With that being said, I can't wait to see Anglin get to work. Letting them go and knocking them down from the center court logo... Just watch the tape... He is a pure shooter. Not a scorer... A pure shooter... There is a difference. And to top it off, he is athletic and should not present to be a defensive liability. I'm pretty sure last year's team was supposed to be that athletic group of players that was finally going to fit Ewing's system and finally show what he can do with the right group. How did that work out?
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Post by iowa80 on May 12, 2022 18:30:22 GMT -5
Agreed. I am in no way removing Pat of responsibility as he is the one that brought in a bunch of projects and decided to go to war with a bb gun which we see does not produce wins. However, now that there seems to be a desire to develop a new philosophy and new way of thinking which is more aligned with the new landscape of NCAA basketball, I am also willing to give him a chance and see what he can do with a more talented group of ballplayers... A more athletic group of ballplayers. With that being said, I can't wait to see Anglin get to work. Letting them go and knocking them down from the center court logo... Just watch the tape... He is a pure shooter. Not a scorer... A pure shooter... There is a difference. And to top it off, he is athletic and should not present to be a defensive liability. I'm pretty sure last year's team was supposed to be that athletic group of players that was finally going to fit Ewing's system and finally show what he can do with the right group. How did that work out? That would be a lot of hype to put on one, athletic, 5 star recruit.
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Post by hoya9797 on May 12, 2022 18:41:11 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure last year's team was supposed to be that athletic group of players that was finally going to fit Ewing's system and finally show what he can do with the right group. How did that work out? That would be a lot of hype to put on one, athletic, 5 star recruit. Would you expect anything different from this place? There are only a few of us who have been right all along.
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Post by hoyarooter on May 12, 2022 18:56:53 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure last year's team was supposed to be that athletic group of players that was finally going to fit Ewing's system and finally show what he can do with the right group. How did that work out? That would be a lot of hype to put on one, athletic, 5 star recruit. That also would have included Riley, but for reasons that were no one's fault, Riley was unable to contribute.
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Post by prhoya on May 12, 2022 19:51:05 GMT -5
That would be a lot of hype to put on one, athletic, 5 star recruit. That also would have included Riley, but for reasons that were no one's fault, Riley was unable to contribute. And Beard. Wasn’t he the one jumping over a player for a dunk? And soph Kobe? And Billingsley… a 4 with more advanced dribbling and penetration skills than Pickett? And a super fast soph Dante?
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