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Post by prhoya on Apr 13, 2021 9:48:35 GMT -5
I would prefer both of them if Pickett and Bile leave and Baldwin/Chet doesn’t come. That said, looking back at Q’s game and what we know now that his handler was so involved, is it possible that Q didn’t pass the ball once he got it because he was being told to shoot at all costs to improve his individual numbers? Who knows, but now he’s stuck with a horrible career assist-to-TO. I'm pretty certain that his very poor play in the Colorado game was the result of him being conflicted with the fact that he was already promised to Maryland and how awkward leaving would be given the magical BET run. He was really tense and panicked in that game from the get go. Who knows, but it was a bad match-up for him and, worse, his guy had a NBA-like day.
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Post by the_way on Apr 13, 2021 9:54:36 GMT -5
Q scored 20 and 12 in the Colorado game. He looked like the same Q. It was the other guys who were off their game (Blair, Pickett, Harris) due to Colorado's defense.
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Post by hoyacane11 on Apr 13, 2021 10:03:27 GMT -5
Q scored 20 and 12 in the Colorado game. He looked like the same Q. It was the other guys who were off their game (Blair, Pickett, Harris) due to Colorado's defense. Right, our seniors let us down big time in that game, and Harris was off his game as well. Like I said before, the whole team looked 2 steps slow in that whole game.
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Post by professorhoya on Apr 13, 2021 10:03:57 GMT -5
Q scored 20 and 12 in the Colorado game. He looked like the same Q. It was the other guys who were off their game (Blair, Pickett, Harris) due to Colorado's defense. Most of that was garbage time points. His guy hit a 1000 3 pointers against him and he shot poorly from the line when it still mattered. He looked lost out there.
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Post by professorhoya on Apr 13, 2021 10:04:59 GMT -5
Q scored 20 and 12 in the Colorado game. He looked like the same Q. It was the other guys who were off their game (Blair, Pickett, Harris) due to Colorado's defense. Right, our seniors let us down big time in that game, and Harris was off his game as well. Like I said before, the whole team looked 2 steps slow in that whole game. alot of it though was Q's inability to cover his man out to the 3 point line. That was a problem all season.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Apr 13, 2021 10:08:22 GMT -5
Right, our seniors let us down big time in that game, and Harris was off his game as well. Like I said before, the whole team looked 2 steps slow in that whole game. alot of it though was Q's inability to cover his man out to the 3 point line. That was a problem all season. I hope King can fix that. Samuels lit us up when we played Nova and he was no offensive genius. The Colorado bigs could shoot and that was an issue. Ewing needs to have that flexibility so hopefully this helps along with when we get Baldwin
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2021 10:10:19 GMT -5
But I think we all are going to miss Q's inside presence both on defense and offense. He really was coming on at the end of the season to becoming an unstoppable force inside. He was becoming a nightmare! As far as his not being able to defend the three line, I would have made a slight adjustment on our defense so that he wouldn't have to go out to three line. An example would have been to play a zone when the other team is constantly knocking down threes. That could have been the simple answer.
Personally, I don't want my center running out to a three point line trying to check a forward or a guard especially when my guy is a terror in the paint with blocking shots and rebounding. I think the man to man defense was the fatal flaw and not necessarily Q.
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Post by rhw485 on Apr 13, 2021 10:13:50 GMT -5
Focusing on the Colorado game isn't super useful in my opinion. Tim was on the floor for a bunch of the Walker 3s as well, I'm not putting that game on Q at all.
But look at the teams who had the highest adjusted offensive efficiency against us this year, across the whole season:
St Johns: 113.5 (2nd meeting) Villanova: 110.9 (2nd meeting) UConn: 121.9 (2nd meeting) Colorado: 116.3
My threshold was over 110, Navy was right there at 110 but I've blacked that game out.
If there's a trend that sticks out, three of those four teams (excluding UConn) had a center who could pull our guy away from the basket.
Yes I agree, I don't want to pile on Q just because he left, and I don't want to annoint King a well, King, before he plays a game.
But I don't think it's controversial that to say with Tim still in the fold with King, you at least have more options for different styles of play.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2021 10:14:37 GMT -5
The other thing is why is everyone talking about King as if he's a replacement for Q? Why are we comparing the two. If Q, would have stayed couldn't we still have gotten Tre if he wanted to play for the Hoyas? Or was it either or and King is truly replacing Q at the center position? If that is the case, King replacing Q at his position, I must say we are going to lose a lot cause I can't see King handling the big centers in the Big East like Q did especially inside that paint.
My hope is Tim will be the starting center and King will be the starting power forward and playing small ball center whenever needed.
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Post by the_way on Apr 13, 2021 10:19:31 GMT -5
Right, our seniors let us down big time in that game, and Harris was off his game as well. Like I said before, the whole team looked 2 steps slow in that whole game. alot of it though was Q's inability to cover his man out to the 3 point line. That was a problem all season. Our other guys couldn't get shots off cleanly because of Colorado's defense and it affected their games. Nothing to do with Q. Yes, Q's defense was a liability (same goes for other's), but our other guys were shut down by Colorado's D. That is the story that doesn't get told. All the blame just seems to go to Q.
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Post by janestis308 on Apr 13, 2021 10:26:46 GMT -5
The other thing is why is everyone talking about King as if he's a replacement for Q? Why are we comparing the two. If Q, would have stayed couldn't we still have gotten Tre if he wanted to play for the Hoyas? Or was it either or and King is truly replacing Q at the center position? If that is the case, King replacing Q at his position, I must say we are going to lose a lot cause I can't see King handling the big centers in the Big East like Q did especially inside that paint. My hope is Tim will be the starting center and King will be the starting power forward and playing small ball center whenever needed. Which big centers are you referring to? King is 6' 9" 225 lbs Jeremiah Robinson Earl is 6' 9" 230 Christian Bishop (granted he's gone) is 6' 7" 220 lbs Adama Sanogo is 6' 9" 240 lbs I Isaih Moore (granted also gone) is 6' 10" 205 lbs Zach Freemantle 6' 9" 225 lbs Yes there are guys like Obiagu (Seton Hall) and Watson (Prov) that are bigger than most but ita myth if the thought is every successful big east team has or had a 7 foot 250 lb center as a prominent piece. King isn't a small ball center he IS the prototypical center in today's game...
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Post by hoyacane11 on Apr 13, 2021 10:28:39 GMT -5
Focusing on the Colorado game isn't super useful in my opinion. Tim was on the floor for a bunch of the Walker 3s as well, I'm not putting that game on Q at all. But look at the teams who had the highest adjusted offensive efficiency against us this year, across the whole season: St Johns: 113.5 (2nd meeting) Villanova: 110.9 (2nd meeting) UConn: 121.9 (2nd meeting) Colorado: 116.3 My threshold was over 110, Navy was right there at 110 but I've blacked that game out. If there's a trend that sticks out, three of those four teams (excluding UConn) had a center who could pull our guy away from the basket. Yes I agree, I don't want to pile on Q just because he left, and I don't want to annoint King a well, King, before he plays a game. But I don't think it's controversial that to say with Tim still in the fold with King, you at least have more options for different styles of play. Good stuff! Plus King fouled out of 8 games and had 4 fouls in 6 others I think, so I hope nobody thinks he'll be much better playing in the BE against far better skilled players.
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Post by smokeyjack on Apr 13, 2021 10:31:11 GMT -5
Q scored 20 and 12 in the Colorado game. He looked like the same Q. It was the other guys who were off their game (Blair, Pickett, Harris) due to Colorado's defense. Most of that was garbage time points. His guy hit a 1000 3 pointers against him and he shot poorly from the line when it still mattered. He looked lost out there. Absolutely!!! If you don't think Q was a huge part of the problem against CU, you weren't watching. He missed bunnies right and left early, couldn't make a free throw and couldn't stay in the same area code as his man (which was maybe more on Pat than Q for sticking with Dino ball instead of going small). But Wahab's 20-12 in that beatdown was among the weakest, most misleading double-doubles in the history of the program. The entire team stunk...certainly...but Q was absolutely a part of that stink. Only Carey seemed like a + player against the Buffs.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2021 10:38:09 GMT -5
The other thing is why is everyone talking about King as if he's a replacement for Q? Why are we comparing the two. If Q, would have stayed couldn't we still have gotten Tre if he wanted to play for the Hoyas? Or was it either or and King is truly replacing Q at the center position? If that is the case, King replacing Q at his position, I must say we are going to lose a lot cause I can't see King handling the big centers in the Big East like Q did especially inside that paint. My hope is Tim will be the starting center and King will be the starting power forward and playing small ball center whenever needed. Which big centers are you referring to? King is 6' 9" 225 lbs Jeremiah Robinson Earl is 6' 9" 230 Christian Bishop (granted he's gone) is 6' 7" 220 lbs Adama Sanogo is 6' 9" 240 lbs I Isaih Moore (granted also gone) is 6' 10" 205 lbs Zach Freemantle 6' 9" 225 lbs Yes there are guys like Obiagu (Seton Hall) and Watson (Prov) that are bigger than most but ita myth if the thought is every successful big east team has or had a 7 foot 250 lb center as a prominent piece. King isn't a small ball center he IS the prototypical center in today's game... Freemantle is listed at 6'9"? He's got to be taller than that or King is smaller than he's listed because when I look at them they don't seem to be the same height. Connecticut's Sanogo is really a forward and their center is 6'11 plus they have Whaley who is also a forward but in being forwards both Sanogo and Whaley are big guys with long arms and they seem bigger than King to me. King seems like a power forward/small forward to me in comparison to Whaley and Sanogo. Jerimiah is not a center, everyone knows that. He's a forward. Now unless we play forwards and guards and no centers, I guess that would be okay although I don't agree with it. So yeah, if you're saying the game is going in the direction of no true centers then King who isn't a center will fit right in. I think it's a big mistake but hey.
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Post by professorhoya on Apr 13, 2021 10:42:16 GMT -5
Which big centers are you referring to? King is 6' 9" 225 lbs Jeremiah Robinson Earl is 6' 9" 230 Christian Bishop (granted he's gone) is 6' 7" 220 lbs Adama Sanogo is 6' 9" 240 lbs I Isaih Moore (granted also gone) is 6' 10" 205 lbs Zach Freemantle 6' 9" 225 lbs Yes there are guys like Obiagu (Seton Hall) and Watson (Prov) that are bigger than most but ita myth if the thought is every successful big east team has or had a 7 foot 250 lb center as a prominent piece. King isn't a small ball center he IS the prototypical center in today's game... Freemantle is listed at 6'9"? He's got to be taller than that or King is smaller than he's listed because when I look at them they don't seem to be the same height. Connecticut's Sanogo is really a forward and their center is 6'11 plus they have Whaley who is also a forward but in being forwards both Sanogo and Whaley are big guys with long arms and they seem bigger than King to me. King seems like a power forward/small forward to me in comparison to Whaley and Sanogo. Jerimiah is not a center, everyone knows that. He's a forward. Now unless we play forwards and guards and no centers, I guess that would be okay although I don't agree with it. So yeah, if you're saying the game is going in the direction of no true centers then King who isn't a center will fit right in. I think it's a big mistake but hey. I mean the King is a bigger Bile. So a Bigger Swiss Army Knife. How can you not like him.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2021 10:46:04 GMT -5
Freemantle is listed at 6'9"? He's got to be taller than that or King is smaller than he's listed because when I look at them they don't seem to be the same height. Connecticut's Sanogo is really a forward and their center is 6'11 plus they have Whaley who is also a forward but in being forwards both Sanogo and Whaley are big guys with long arms and they seem bigger than King to me. King seems like a power forward/small forward to me in comparison to Whaley and Sanogo. Jerimiah is not a center, everyone knows that. He's a forward. Now unless we play forwards and guards and no centers, I guess that would be okay although I don't agree with it. So yeah, if you're saying the game is going in the direction of no true centers then King who isn't a center will fit right in. I think it's a big mistake but hey. I mean the King is a bigger Bile. So a Bigger Swiss Army Knife. How can you not like him. No I didn't say I didn't like him professor. Anyone who can fill Bile's shoes, you know I'm on it! No doubt about it! I'm just bummed that everyone thinks that King is the replacement for Q and everyone seem to want to point to one fatal weakness of the team (guarding the three point line) and saying it's all Q's fault. I think coach should have played zone against the teams that were knocking down and counting on three's and we would be having a different conversation about Q. But nawww, I like King just not playing at the five, that's all.
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Post by professorhoya on Apr 13, 2021 10:49:07 GMT -5
I mean the King is a bigger Bile. So a Bigger Swiss Army Knife. How can you not like him. No I didn't say I didn't like him professor. Anyone who can fill Bile's shoes, you know I'm on it! No doubt about it! I'm just bummed that everyone thinks that King is the replacement for Q and everyone seem to want to point to one fatal weakness of the team (guarding the three point line) and saying it's all Q's fault. I think coach should have played zone against the teams that were knocking down and counting on three's and we would be having a different conversation about Q. But nawww, I like King just not playing at the five, that's all. I don’t see how you can play zone against a team with an army of 3pt specialists.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2021 10:51:26 GMT -5
No I didn't say I didn't like him professor. Anyone who can fill Bile's shoes, you know I'm on it! No doubt about it! I'm just bummed that everyone thinks that King is the replacement for Q and everyone seem to want to point to one fatal weakness of the team (guarding the three point line) and saying it's all Q's fault. I think coach should have played zone against the teams that were knocking down and counting on three's and we would be having a different conversation about Q. But nawww, I like King just not playing at the five, that's all. I don’t see how you can play zone against a team with an army of 3pt specialists. How many three point specialist can they put on the floor at one time? There's only five players, right? There can not be no more than two or three specialist at one time, right?
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Post by professorhoya on Apr 13, 2021 10:57:05 GMT -5
I don’t see how you can play zone against a team with an army of 3pt specialists. How many three point specialist can they put on the floor at one time? There's only five players, right? There can not be no more than two or three specialist at one time, right? Colorado had 4 3 pt specialists on the floor at all times. *and sometimes even 5 when they put Walker at center.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2021 11:03:36 GMT -5
How many three point specialist can they put on the floor at one time? There's only five players, right? There can not be no more than two or three specialist at one time, right? Colorado had 4 3 pt specialists on the floor at all times. *and sometimes even 5 when they put Walker at center. What did Florida State do to stop all those three point specialist???
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