drquigley
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Post by drquigley on Apr 12, 2021 20:23:39 GMT -5
(This ones for you LIC). Sure looks like Tre has some MEANERY!!!
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daveg023
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Post by daveg023 on Apr 12, 2021 20:45:02 GMT -5
Does anyone know what Tre King's transfer ranking is?? Haven't seen him in the Top 50 on most ones I've seen. While Wahab has been Top 5 in the same lists for what it's worth. That being said this seems to be a solid addition at this point in the game at a position of need... |
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s4hoyas
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Post by s4hoyas on Apr 12, 2021 21:04:45 GMT -5
Oversight on the rankings...2 time OVC first team...guy can play
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tashoya
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Post by tashoya on Apr 12, 2021 21:13:44 GMT -5
Does anyone know what Tre King's transfer ranking is?? Haven't seen him in the Top 50 on most ones I've seen. While Wahab has been Top 5 in the same lists for what it's worth. That being said this seems to be a solid addition at this point in the game at a position of need... If Coach Ewing decides go with a more modern, spread the floor offense, King is a solid addition. That said, Wahab doesn't fit what most teams do. He fit what we've been doing. He was top 5 for us. But, certainly not for most other teams. |
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Post by paranoia2 on Apr 12, 2021 21:17:28 GMT -5
I don’t care about transfer portal rankings too much. The question I asked myself is would you “trade” Q straight up for Tre King?.
With Aminu & Riley & Dante it will help having King set screens, be able to hit a clean jumper from distance, and most importantly, not CLOG the lane.
Q helped us to a BE Championship. Wish him well but the speed this team can play with now should be exciting.
As mentioned before Tre has some DAWG in him and personally you can’t enough tenacious players.
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daveg023
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Post by daveg023 on Apr 12, 2021 21:18:15 GMT -5
Haven't seen him in the Top 50 on most ones I've seen. While Wahab has been Top 5 in the same lists for what it's worth. That being said this seems to be a solid addition at this point in the game at a position of need... If Coach Ewing decides go with a more modern, spread the floor offense, King is a solid addition. That said, Wahab doesn't fit what most teams do. He fit what we've been doing. He was top 5 for us. But, certainly not for most other teams. Agree with this completely. |
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Bigs"R"Us
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Apr 12, 2021 21:55:19 GMT -5
Solved for the departure of Bile and Wahab in one swoop. If I were picking teams, I would take King over Q.
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OldHoyafan
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Post by OldHoyafan on Apr 12, 2021 22:59:14 GMT -5
Lets not understate Q's importance on the defensive end. Have not seen King guarding a 6'10-11' center like Watson for Providence. What is his weight? have seen 220 and 225 from initial reports. Ewings defensive schemes rely on positioning of his players such that the driving lanes are closed. Q did clog the lane on the offensive end but did provide a presence on defensive end.
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jwp91
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Post by jwp91 on Apr 13, 2021 5:02:58 GMT -5
King looks like a difference maker and will bring the strongest scoring resume on the team.
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Post by rhw485 on Apr 13, 2021 6:49:37 GMT -5
Lets not understate Q's importance on the defensive end. Have not seen King guarding a 6'10-11' center like Watson for Providence. What is his weight? have seen 220 and 225 from initial reports. Ewings defensive schemes rely on positioning of his players such that the driving lanes are closed. Q did clog the lane on the offensive end but did provide a presence on defensive end. I understand this perspective but a few quick counters: 1. What happens when Watson has to guard King on a pick and pop? Driving lane will either open up or King will have target practice 2. How many teams have a Watson type center vs. a Jermaine Samuels type center in Big East? Off top of my head it's really only SH, UConn and Provy who have someone with a ton of size in middle that wants to post. On the other end, Nova, Creighton, St Johns, Xavier definitely want to space you out. That leaves Marquette and Butler in a gray area, but Theo John is gone and Golden for Butler definitely had a more perimeter approach. 3. Tim is still on the roster, this is really all about flexibility. If Watson is causing too much of a problem and King isn't exploiting him on the other end, Tim comes in to match up. You now have a choice I personally have a different opinion on Q. I think his offense is being a little underrated, we had so many possessions where we could just throw him the ball and he'd get a bucket. That being said, Ewing has consistently shown he can alter his sets to highlight different offensive skillsets. On defense, I tend to think his impact was overstated, for every block there were countless times he was out of position in pick and roll coverage and unable to extend out to the 3 point line. We refused to play zone to help mitigate those issues, they weren't all on Q. But Tim almost did a better job staying home in drop coverage. Will be interesting to see it play out. |
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Post by professorhoya on Apr 13, 2021 6:53:00 GMT -5
Lets not understate Q's importance on the defensive end. Have not seen King guarding a 6'10-11' center like Watson for Providence. What is his weight? have seen 220 and 225 from initial reports. Ewings defensive schemes rely on positioning of his players such that the driving lanes are closed. Q did clog the lane on the offensive end but did provide a presence on defensive end. Q had alot of problems with space eaters like Watson, JRE, etc. In fact Tim did better against those guys. Part of it was Q being undersized and part of it was his lack of aggression. So I don't see this as being an issue. |
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Post by bostonfan on Apr 13, 2021 7:09:25 GMT -5
Lets not understate Q's importance on the defensive end. Have not seen King guarding a 6'10-11' center like Watson for Providence. What is his weight? have seen 220 and 225 from initial reports. Ewings defensive schemes rely on positioning of his players such that the driving lanes are closed. Q did clog the lane on the offensive end but did provide a presence on defensive end. Q had alot of problems with space eaters like Watson, JRE, etc. In fact Tim did better against those guys. Part of it was Q being undersized and part of it was his lack of aggression. So I don't see this as being an issue. Q was not a perfect player, but he was one of the better young big men in the Big East, and was improving. King will bring some things to the table that Q struggled with, but not having someone like Q is a big loss. The staff will need to make some other adjustments to the team next year in style of play to make up for Q's loss. I think they can do that and play a little different but I would not minimize the loss. |
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Post by professorhoya on Apr 13, 2021 7:23:25 GMT -5
Q had alot of problems with space eaters like Watson, JRE, etc. In fact Tim did better against those guys. Part of it was Q being undersized and part of it was his lack of aggression. So I don't see this as being an issue. Q was not a perfect player, but he was one of the better young big men in the Big East, and was improving. King will bring some things to the table that Q struggled with, but not having someone like Q is a big loss. The staff will need to make some other adjustments to the team next year in style of play to make up for Q's loss. I think they can do that and play a little different but I would not minimize the loss. There's no question Q will be missed but there's nothing we can do about it because the kid skipped town to go down the street. But I would rather have what the King can provide along with Big Tim/Mutombo/Malcolm providing resistance against space eaters than someone like Soriano who would just be able to guard space eaters but provide little else. |
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Post by professorhoya on Apr 13, 2021 8:06:28 GMT -5
"Suddenly, Nate Oats has the same problem. Alabama Basketball has too many players committed for the 2021-22 season. With a Transfer Portal overflowing with hundreds of players, more players are available. Alabama Basketball will explore all NCAA rule exceptionsThere are only 13 basketball scholarships in a normal year. For the coming season, there are pandemic-driven exceptions. Just as Brian Robinson and Chris Owens could return to the Crimson Tide and not count in the 85-player scholarship limit, the same thing could happen in basketball. However, there is no indication Jordan Bruner, John Petty Jr., Herbert Jones and Alex Reese will choose an extra college season. Perhaps there is a loophole in the 2021-22 NCAA rules that will allow Nate Oats to over-sign. Before any of next season’s 14 committed players are forced to exit, Oats and the Athletic Department will thoroughly investigate all options. "bamahammer.com/2021/04/12/alabama-basketball-nate-oats-wilson/ |
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Post by hoyacane11 on Apr 13, 2021 8:22:27 GMT -5
I like the addition of King, but no way I take him over Q.
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Post by professorhoya on Apr 13, 2021 8:24:36 GMT -5
I like the addition of King, but no way I take him over Q. That wasn't an option. However Q can't defend the 3. That killed us against Colorado. |
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Post by hoyacane11 on Apr 13, 2021 8:25:27 GMT -5
Q had alot of problems with space eaters like Watson, JRE, etc. In fact Tim did better against those guys. Part of it was Q being undersized and part of it was his lack of aggression. So I don't see this as being an issue. Q was not a perfect player, but he was one of the better young big men in the Big East, and was improving. King will bring some things to the table that Q struggled with, but not having someone like Q is a big loss. The staff will need to make some other adjustments to the team next year in style of play to make up for Q's loss. I think they can do that and play a little different but I would not minimize the loss. This!! The rim protection, rebounding, and scoring inside will not be replaced by King and is a big loss for us. We can't do anything about Q leaving, but let's not get crazy here. King is no Q.
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Post by hoyacane11 on Apr 13, 2021 8:27:52 GMT -5
I like the addition of King, but no way I take him over Q. That wasn't an option. However Q can't defend the 3. That killed us against Colorado. He wasn't the only one not defending the 3. The whole team looked 2 steps off that game. We don't even get to Colorado without Q. He was playing great for us down the stretch. |
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Post by professorhoya on Apr 13, 2021 8:33:09 GMT -5
Q was not a perfect player, but he was one of the better young big men in the Big East, and was improving. King will bring some things to the table that Q struggled with, but not having someone like Q is a big loss. The staff will need to make some other adjustments to the team next year in style of play to make up for Q's loss. I think they can do that and play a little different but I would not minimize the loss. This!! The rim protection, rebounding, and scoring inside will not be replaced by King and is a big loss for us. We can't do anything about Q leaving, but let's not get crazy here. King is no Q.
They are completely different types of players. So one could argue that Q is no King. |
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Post by professorhoya on Apr 13, 2021 8:35:36 GMT -5
Q was not a perfect player, but he was one of the better young big men in the Big East, and was improving. King will bring some things to the table that Q struggled with, but not having someone like Q is a big loss. The staff will need to make some other adjustments to the team next year in style of play to make up for Q's loss. I think they can do that and play a little different but I would not minimize the loss. This!! The rim protection
Can you explain how Q's rim protection is better than the King's. Q averaged 1.6 blocks per game last season. The King averaged 2.0 block per game. |
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