DudeSlade
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Post by DudeSlade on Mar 21, 2021 14:36:04 GMT -5
Do you really want to play 5 years of college basketball? Would you have to if you were really good? Reminds me of this dad who left his already old for his grade kid back a year in middle school so that he would be a star pitcher. There is nothing to be gained by a 15 year old pitching to 13 year olds. Think it depends on if you have a future in the sport or not. I’d have loved an extra year of competitive athletics if I could have gotten it. There’s plenty of time in life for other things. Enjoy getting to play while you can. That said, our seniors may all be able to play abroad if they want, in which case I could see being ready for that after 4 years in school.
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the_way
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Post by the_way on Mar 21, 2021 14:37:26 GMT -5
Let's all face it ... no need to stress about scholarship numbers ... if Coach and Carey want Care back ... it will work out. There are probably at least a couple of players who are looking at this past year and looking at the incoming class and already calculating how few minutes they are going to get. There are roughly 1000 transfers a year in D1 Men's Basketball - and that's when players had to sit a year - that's 2 per team. It happens and will continue to happen ... expect a huge bump this year as a bunch of seniors will stay and squeeze expected minutes from next year. I'm counting on Carey and praying on Bile! I am assuming Pickett is gone ... also not sure if it makes sense for Blair to stay. Numbers always work themselves out.
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the_way
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Post by the_way on Mar 21, 2021 14:40:42 GMT -5
Do you really want to play 5 years of college basketball? Would you have to if you were really good? Reminds me of this dad who left his already old for his grade kid back a year in middle school so that he would be a star pitcher. There is nothing to be gained by a 15 year old pitching to 13 year olds. Think it depends on if you have a future in the sport or not. I’d have loved an extra year of competitive athletics if I could have gotten it. There’s plenty of time in life for other things. Enjoy getting to play while you can. That said, our seniors may all be able to play abroad if they want, in which case I could see being ready for that after 4 years in school. Plus, college is the best time of one's life for some people before entering the "real world". Some might not mind staying another year to play the game you love and living the college life.
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DudeSlade
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Post by DudeSlade on Mar 21, 2021 14:45:13 GMT -5
Think it depends on if you have a future in the sport or not. I’d have loved an extra year of competitive athletics if I could have gotten it. There’s plenty of time in life for other things. Enjoy getting to play while you can. That said, our seniors may all be able to play abroad if they want, in which case I could see being ready for that after 4 years in school. Plus, college is the best time of one's life for some people before entering the "real world". Some might not mind staying another year to play the game you love and living the college life. And not to press the point too much, but you just made me think about how none of these kids got a real college year this year. Could see how that would cause some kids to say I’m done with this, but could also see some who enjoyed the collegial environment wanting to get that final experience instead of this bizarre pandemic year.
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SSHoya
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Post by SSHoya on Mar 21, 2021 15:20:47 GMT -5
Plus, college is the best time of one's life for some people before entering the "real world". Some might not mind staying another year to play the game you love and living the college life. And not to press the point too much, but you just made me think about how none of these kids got a real college year this year. Could see how that would cause some kids to say I’m done with this, but could also see some who enjoyed the collegial environment wanting to get that final experience instead of this bizarre pandemic year. Especially Bile since he didn't have the college experience he thought he signed up for such as playing in Cap One - even at less than sellout crowds it is certainly an experience he probably wanted.
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jpj
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Post by jpj on Mar 21, 2021 18:45:36 GMT -5
As I mentioned a few posts ago, there is a specific rule that for the 21-22 season any players that are using their 4th year of eligibility in the 20-21 season can come back to their current team and not count against the scholarship limit during their 5th year of eligibility. There is no guarantee, and people believe it's unlikely, that this rule will be extended to future seasons past 21-22. This is why it's important to think of this season essentially not counting against eligibility for everyone and the exception only being for 21-22. Below is a breakdown of how I understand the rules based on the NCAA decisions and supplemental articles: -Current athletes will now have 6 years to complete 5 years of eligibility -Athletes opting to use their final year of eligibility in the 21-22 season with their current team will not count against the scholarship limit of 13 -Athletes opting to use their final year of eligibility in the 21-22 season with a different team will count against the scholarship limit of 13 -There is no guarantee that athletes will not count against the scholarship limit during their 5th year of eligibility in future seasons past 21-22 Pulling my post from earlier in the week on the topic of eligibility and scholarship limits. What about the academic aspects? If the Seniors will graduate, what graduate program will they be admitted into?
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SSHoya
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Post by SSHoya on Mar 21, 2021 19:00:26 GMT -5
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LCPolo18
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Post by LCPolo18 on Mar 21, 2021 20:13:03 GMT -5
Trey Dickerson and I believe Terrell Allen also were in that program.
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LCPolo18
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Post by LCPolo18 on Mar 21, 2021 20:18:21 GMT -5
That's not exactly accurate. There is still a 13 scholarship limit in the 21-22 season. However, for that season, players using their extra fifth year of eligibility (current "seniors") returning to their same team do not count towards that 13 scholarship limit. Here's a current roster breakdown for 21-22 based on eligibility: 5th year - 1 year of eligibility remaining (do not count against scholarship limits if they return) Chudier Bile Jahvon Blair Jalen Harris Jamorko Pickett 4th year - 2 years of eligibility remaining Don Carey (1) 3rd year - 3 years of eligibility remaining Timothy Ighoefe (2) Qudus Wahab (3) Malcolm Wilson (4) (likely redshirt last year, would have 4 years of eligibility remaining) 2nd year - 4 years of eligibility remaining TJ Berger (5) Kobe Clark (6) Dante Harris (7) Collin Holloway (8) Jamari Sibley (9) 1st year - 4 years of eligibility remaining Tyler Beard (10) Jalin Billingsley (11) Aminu Mohamed (12) Ryan Mutombo (13) Jordan Riley (14) As of now, our public understanding of the roster has 14 scholarship players for 21-22. Everything I have read said NCAA will not be enforcing any scholarship limits for fall or winter sports in 2021/22 and that it will revert back to those limits for 22/23. ESPN’s Jeff Borzello added in “senior” language in his reporting, but the way I read the NCAA release, they won’t be enforcing scholarship limits in 21/22 period. Now, I do know every article I have read also said individual conferences might choose to have their own rules. The Ivy League, for instance, has already announced it will not be extending an added year waiver across the entire league...even though the league canceled all fall and winter sports. I would be interested to see the articles you're referencing, because that's not consistent with what I have read. Below is an excerpt from the best article I've read on the topic: www.sandiegouniontribune.com/sports/aztecs/story/2020-10-14/san-diego-state-sdsu-aztecs-basketball-ncaa-extra-year-of-eligibility-new-transfer-rule
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joey0403p
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Post by joey0403p on Mar 22, 2021 8:36:00 GMT -5
Maybe too simple - but has anyone thought about making mutumbo a walk on? Presumably D could write check...?
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smokeyjack
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Post by smokeyjack on Mar 22, 2021 8:50:27 GMT -5
Maybe too simple - but has anyone thought about making mutumbo a walk on? Presumably D could write check...? As Way said, it will work itself out. And I’d bet my house we’ll see more movement on roster than just incoming 5 recruits and familiar faces. That’s true everywhere in a normal year. With Covid rule and new transfer rule, this offseason could be very wild. Good thing we a trending up.
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LCPolo18
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Post by LCPolo18 on Mar 22, 2021 8:51:33 GMT -5
Maybe too simple - but has anyone thought about making mutumbo a walk on? Presumably D could write check...? He already signed his LOI, so at least for this upcoming year he will likely be on scholarship.
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Post by bigelephant on Mar 22, 2021 8:55:39 GMT -5
Agree
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Post by practice on Mar 22, 2021 9:59:58 GMT -5
Maybe too simple - but has anyone thought about making mutumbo a walk on? Presumably D could write check...? He already signed his LOI, so at least for this upcoming year he will likely be on scholarship. I love how -- and this happens all the time -- the HoyaTalk collective does all this hang wringing over scholarships in the offseason ... and I can't remember a year since 1990 in which a player was left off the roster. Again pre-Covid almost 1000 D1 men's basketball players transferred every year -- with the new rules and a bunch of guys sticking around -- that number is likely to spike next year. If playing basketball is a priority -- I think there are likely 2 to 3 current players who will see a lot more PT at a lower level.
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Post by iheartdurenbros on Mar 22, 2021 10:17:54 GMT -5
Maybe too simple - but has anyone thought about making mutumbo a walk on? Presumably D could write check...? He already signed his LOI, so at least for this upcoming year he will likely be on scholarship. Just to add, Ryan has indicated on Twitter that it is insulting to think he wouldn't be taking the scholarship that he has earned. The idea is fan chatter. It should stop, though I know it won't. Scholarships always have a way of working themselves out.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Mar 22, 2021 10:25:47 GMT -5
He already signed his LOI, so at least for this upcoming year he will likely be on scholarship. Just to add, Ryan has indicated on Twitter that it is insulting to think he wouldn't be taking the scholarship that he has earned. The idea is fan chatter. It should stop, though I know it won't. Scholarships always have a way of working themselves out. Yes. Not only that, but we legitimately recruited him (as we should have), and he counts as a scholarship. He's a top 100 player. He should have a scholarship. Athletic scholarships should not be awarded depending on whether your parents can afford to pay.
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joey0403p
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Post by joey0403p on Mar 22, 2021 10:49:49 GMT -5
Just to add, Ryan has indicated on Twitter that it is insulting to think he wouldn't be taking the scholarship that he has earned. The idea is fan chatter. It should stop, though I know it won't. Scholarships always have a way of working themselves out. Yes. Not only that, but we legitimately recruited him (as we should have), and he counts as a scholarship. He's a top 100 player. He should have a scholarship. Athletic scholarships should not be awarded depending on whether your parents can afford to pay. I wasn’t trying to suggest anything about him .... just thinking out loud. I remember McDermott did it for his senior year and was still the star of that team ... as folks have said - numbers will work themselves out.
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LCPolo18
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Post by LCPolo18 on Mar 22, 2021 11:11:59 GMT -5
Yes. Not only that, but we legitimately recruited him (as we should have), and he counts as a scholarship. He's a top 100 player. He should have a scholarship. Athletic scholarships should not be awarded depending on whether your parents can afford to pay. I wasn’t trying to suggest anything about him .... just thinking out loud. I remember McDermott did it for his senior year and was still the star of that team ... as folks have said - numbers will work themselves out. I'm also 95% sure Trey Mourning gave up his scholarship when Bradley Hayes got an extra year of eligibility. It's one thing to give up your scholarship in your later years once you have established yourself and you're trying to better the team or help out a teammate. It's another to not get one from the start.
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hoyaguy
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Post by hoyaguy on Mar 22, 2021 15:36:40 GMT -5
If Blair moves on, I will be so happy for him, but I'll be spilling teardrops, missing his teardrops
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2021 16:21:53 GMT -5
I wasn’t trying to suggest anything about him .... just thinking out loud. I remember McDermott did it for his senior year and was still the star of that team ... as folks have said - numbers will work themselves out. I'm also 95% sure Trey Mourning gave up his scholarship when Bradley Hayes got an extra year of eligibility. It's one thing to give up your scholarship in your later years once you have established yourself and you're trying to better the team or help out a teammate. It's another to not get one from the start. You were mentioned in a Casual Hoya article titled: RUMOR TRACKER: Which Hoyas Might Run It Back Next Season?
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