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Post by professorhoya on Mar 21, 2021 5:21:53 GMT -5
Would love Carey back!!!! Jamarko from what I hear is gone and I am happy he will start getting paid for his craft. Jamorko explicitly said in an interview the Xavier game was his last home game. He made the tourney so he checked that box off, and despite yesterday's performance he ultimately went off on a high note. I don't see Blair coming back either, he might not have NBA upside like Pickett but he's still a pro and the same logic applies to him. Would love to have him back of course but that's not the player I'm holding my breath for. The bigger question IMO is Bile. He only has one year of high major basketball under his belt, so an additional year would be useful for him to further develop and show what he can do before he turns pro. The 4 is a pressing need for us next year, and we really need someone that can rebound to fill some of Pickett's production. Aminu will help but I'd feel a lot better with Bile's rebounding and shooting. Yeah Bile is the big key as he can be the X factor next year as well as leader. He still is unpolished and has to be more disciplined on defense and more consistent on offense even with his motor, toughness and athleticism/length. One more year with Coach is his best way to having a shot at the next level but he can certainly make money now in g league or overseas. I think this is the biggest possible recruiting coup that Coach has left for next year. |
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Post by jwp91 on Mar 21, 2021 6:41:33 GMT -5
Carey finished the year shooting .449 from 3 up from .382. If he was a grad transfer to the Hoyas this year, many of us would be dancing a jig.
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Post by smokeyjack on Mar 21, 2021 8:25:38 GMT -5
Still wondering how we’re gonna clear room since we’re apparently one over the scholarship limit as things stand right now. Scholarship cap of 13 is not in effect for the 2021/2022 season, BUT you are correct that it still needs to be something of a consideration because the cap returns in 22/23. So we could carry 15 next season theoretically but would have to be back to 13 the following year. That’s really a bigger deal if you start looking at the guys who weren’t already seniors this year. Like say, would you want Carey back for a third season after next year? Or would you want Harris to stay for a 5th season? He’ll be a 1st year player next year according to the NCAA. Given that the players really in question re returning are Bile, Blair and to a lesser extent Pickett (because he def could play professionally). All three will be done and drop off either way once cap comes back in 21/22. |
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Post by LCPolo18 on Mar 21, 2021 9:23:49 GMT -5
Still wondering how we’re gonna clear room since we’re apparently one over the scholarship limit as things stand right now. Scholarship cap of 13 is not in effect for the 2021/2022 season, BUT you are correct that it still needs to be something of a consideration because the cap returns in 22/23. So we could carry 15 next season theoretically but would have to be back to 13 the following year. That’s really a bigger deal if you start looking at the guys who weren’t already seniors this year. Like say, would you want Carey back for a third season after next year? Or would you want Harris to stay for a 5th season? He’ll be a 1st year player next year according to the NCAA. Given that the players really in question re returning are Bile, Blair and to a lesser extent Pickett (because he def could play professionally). All three will be done and drop off either way once cap comes back in 21/22. That's not exactly accurate. There is still a 13 scholarship limit in the 21-22 season. However, for that season, players using their extra fifth year of eligibility (current "seniors") returning to their same team do not count towards that 13 scholarship limit. Here's a current roster breakdown for 21-22 based on eligibility: 5th year - 1 year of eligibility remaining (do not count against scholarship limits if they return) Chudier Bile Jahvon Blair Jalen Harris Jamorko Pickett 4th year - 2 years of eligibility remaining Don Carey (1) 3rd year - 3 years of eligibility remaining Timothy Ighoefe (2) Qudus Wahab (3) Malcolm Wilson (4) (likely redshirt last year, would have 4 years of eligibility remaining) 2nd year - 4 years of eligibility remaining TJ Berger (5) Kobe Clark (6) Dante Harris (7) Collin Holloway (8) Jamari Sibley (9) 1st year - 4 years of eligibility remaining Tyler Beard (10) Jalin Billingsley (11) Aminu Mohamed (12) Ryan Mutombo (13) Jordan Riley (14) As of now, our public understanding of the roster has 14 scholarship players for 21-22. |
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Post by wponds on Mar 21, 2021 9:52:01 GMT -5
Give me a starting 5 of Harris, Carey, Aminu, Bile, and Q and I'll take that over any predicted starting 5 in the conference at the moment.
Getting Carey and Bile back would be crucial. Hard to replace their shooting, experience, and hustle
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Mar 21, 2021 10:08:08 GMT -5
Give me a starting 5 of Harris, Carey, Aminu, Bile, and Q and I'll take that over any predicted starting 5 in the conference at the moment. Getting Carey and Bile back would be crucial. Hard to replace their shooting, experience, and hustle That is my dream starting five for next season as well. That gets you back in the NCAAs. |
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Post by bigelephant on Mar 21, 2021 10:09:49 GMT -5
Give me a starting 5 of Harris, Carey, Aminu, Bile, and Q and I'll take that over any predicted starting 5 in the conference at the moment. Getting Carey and Bile back would be crucial. Hard to replace their shooting, experience, and hustle That is my dream starting five for next season as well. That gets you back in the NCAAs. It's my dream too! |
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Post by smokeyjack on Mar 21, 2021 10:17:27 GMT -5
Scholarship cap of 13 is not in effect for the 2021/2022 season, BUT you are correct that it still needs to be something of a consideration because the cap returns in 22/23. So we could carry 15 next season theoretically but would have to be back to 13 the following year. That’s really a bigger deal if you start looking at the guys who weren’t already seniors this year. Like say, would you want Carey back for a third season after next year? Or would you want Harris to stay for a 5th season? He’ll be a 1st year player next year according to the NCAA. Given that the players really in question re returning are Bile, Blair and to a lesser extent Pickett (because he def could play professionally). All three will be done and drop off either way once cap comes back in 21/22. That's not exactly accurate. There is still a 13 scholarship limit in the 21-22 season. However, for that season, players using their extra fifth year of eligibility (current "seniors") returning to their same team do not count towards that 13 scholarship limit. Here's a current roster breakdown for 21-22 based on eligibility: 5th year - 1 year of eligibility remaining (do not count against scholarship limits if they return) Chudier Bile Jahvon Blair Jalen Harris Jamorko Pickett 4th year - 2 years of eligibility remaining Don Carey (1) 3rd year - 3 years of eligibility remaining Timothy Ighoefe (2) Qudus Wahab (3) Malcolm Wilson (4) (likely redshirt last year, would have 4 years of eligibility remaining) 2nd year - 4 years of eligibility remaining TJ Berger (5) Kobe Clark (6) Dante Harris (7) Collin Holloway (8) Jamari Sibley (9) 1st year - 4 years of eligibility remaining Tyler Beard (10) Jalin Billingsley (11) Aminu Mohamed (12) Ryan Mutombo (13) Jordan Riley (14) As of now, our public understanding of the roster has 14 scholarship players for 21-22. Everything I have read said NCAA will not be enforcing any scholarship limits for fall or winter sports in 2021/22 and that it will revert back to those limits for 22/23. ESPN’s Jeff Borzello added in “senior” language in his reporting, but the way I read the NCAA release, they won’t be enforcing scholarship limits in 21/22 period. Now, I do know every article I have read also said individual conferences might choose to have their own rules. The Ivy League, for instance, has already announced it will not be extending an added year waiver across the entire league...even though the league canceled all fall and winter sports. |
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Post by smokeyjack on Mar 21, 2021 10:32:28 GMT -5
Give me a starting 5 of Harris, Carey, Aminu, Bile, and Q and I'll take that over any predicted starting 5 in the conference at the moment. Getting Carey and Bile back would be crucial. Hard to replace their shooting, experience, and hustle That is my dream starting five for next season as well. That gets you back in the NCAAs. Yep. And that creates a very energetic scrap for bench minutes among Riley, Sibley, Beard, Berger, Tim, Ryan Mu, Holloway, Clark, Wilson and Billingsley. That’s a lot of dudes scrapping for rotation minutes. |
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Post by daveg023 on Mar 21, 2021 10:43:21 GMT -5
Give me a starting 5 of Harris, Carey, Aminu, Bile, and Q and I'll take that over any predicted starting 5 in the conference at the moment. Getting Carey and Bile back would be crucial. Hard to replace their shooting, experience, and hustle My optimism is somewhat tempered for next year. I think we should be a top half team, but I don’t think we’d be favorites by any stretch losing our top two scorers. I think Nova (if Gillespie returns), UConn (if Whaley returns) and SJ (if Champagine returns) are all still better than us and are getting in new talent that’s just as good as ours. I mean even the 8-8 PC team can return everyone now at this point with Watson back, and probably would be picked ahead of us. It’s tough to guess though at this point until the transfer market (both incoming and outgoing) is complete and the senior opt-ins are settled. But even in a best-case scenario I can’t see us any better than preseason 4th or 5th in the league. |
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Post by professorhoya on Mar 21, 2021 10:49:02 GMT -5
That is my dream starting five for next season as well. That gets you back in the NCAAs. Yep. And that creates a very energetic scrap for bench minutes among Riley, Sibley, Beard, Berger, Tim, Ryan Mu, Holloway, Clark, Wilson and Billingsley. That’s a lot of dudes scrapping for rotation minutes. What if we go to a 10.5 rotation like Colorado. Seems to work for them |
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Post by CTHoya08 on Mar 21, 2021 10:51:33 GMT -5
I know that Carey came in with two years of eligibility left, so we don’t think he’s a “senior” who would be able to return without counting against the scholarship limit. But do we know this? Given GU’s track record in getting our players waivers (remember when Bradley Hayes got a fifth year for . . . being a nice guy?), I wouldn’t be shocked if we find a way to bring him back as a “free” senior.
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Post by smokeyjack on Mar 21, 2021 11:18:03 GMT -5
Yep. And that creates a very energetic scrap for bench minutes among Riley, Sibley, Beard, Berger, Tim, Ryan Mu, Holloway, Clark, Wilson and Billingsley. That’s a lot of dudes scrapping for rotation minutes. What if we go to a 10.5 rotation like Colorado. Seems to work for them It will be what it is based on what Pat sees in practice and who performs in games. I think Colorado was as unusually deep this season as we were thin. Some publication ran a story a few years back analyzing all of the NCAA champions, and I think the magic number was 8 guys who average at least 10. I definitely think Hoyas will have personnel to do that next season (assuming Carey and one senior return). But I obviously get that you were being facetious. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2021 12:25:03 GMT -5
Give me a starting 5 of Harris, Carey, Aminu, Bile, and Q and I'll take that over any predicted starting 5 in the conference at the moment. Getting Carey and Bile back would be crucial. Hard to replace their shooting, experience, and hustle My optimism is somewhat tempered for next year. I think we should be a top half team, but I don’t think we’d be favorites by any stretch losing our top two scorers. I think Nova (if Gillespie returns), UConn (if Whaley returns) and SJ (if Champagine returns) are all still better than us and are getting in new talent that’s just as good as ours. I mean even the 8-8 PC team can return everyone now at this point with Watson back, and probably would be picked ahead of us. It’s tough to guess though at this point until the transfer market (both incoming and outgoing) is complete and the senior opt-ins are settled. But even in a best-case scenario I can’t see us any better than preseason 4th or 5th in the league. I totally totally agree with you. This is the part that people don't see with losing Pickett and Blair should they decide to leave. We are missing rebounding and scoring and tons of it. I don't think that small lineup can make up for neither categories. With other teams reloading, I am almost certain that we will be in the bottom half again without some more scoring and some more rebounding. |
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Post by wponds on Mar 21, 2021 12:34:15 GMT -5
Give me a starting 5 of Harris, Carey, Aminu, Bile, and Q and I'll take that over any predicted starting 5 in the conference at the moment. Getting Carey and Bile back would be crucial. Hard to replace their shooting, experience, and hustle My optimism is somewhat tempered for next year. I think we should be a top half team, but I don’t think we’d be favorites by any stretch losing our top two scorers. I think Nova (if Gillespie returns), UConn (if Whaley returns) and SJ (if Champagine returns) are all still better than us and are getting in new talent that’s just as good as ours. I mean even the 8-8 PC team can return everyone now at this point with Watson back, and probably would be picked ahead of us. It’s tough to guess though at this point until the transfer market (both incoming and outgoing) is complete and the senior opt-ins are settled. But even in a best-case scenario I can’t see us any better than preseason 4th or 5th in the league. I agree that I don't think we'll be favorites. Just noting the *predicted starting lineups as of today* (so not assuming Gillespie or Whaley come back and not factoring in the bench) Villanova is projected to lose three starters (Gillespie, Samuels, JRE) and it's not like freshmen have the best track record under Jay Wright, Creighton is projected to lose every starter, St. John's has already had two forwards transfer. I'm not saying we'll be the best team in the big east, but just that our starting 5 would come back a lot more proven than most others in the conference. Obviously a lot can and will change before fall though |
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Mar 21, 2021 12:40:20 GMT -5
With the Big East Tournament victory, I think preseason 3-5 would be good in an 11 team conference.
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Post by prhoya on Mar 21, 2021 12:55:46 GMT -5
Hard to get too confident in these pronouncements right now but at least it shows he's considering it. Would be great to have him back. Love it! If Carey stresses defense in the off-season and Bile comes back, we would have a great set of individual defenders as starters. |
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Post by practice on Mar 21, 2021 13:11:48 GMT -5
Let's all face it ... no need to stress about scholarship numbers ... if Coach and Carey want Care back ... it will work out. There are probably at least a couple of players who are looking at this past year and looking at the incoming class and already calculating how few minutes they are going to get. There are roughly 1000 transfers a year in D1 Men's Basketball - and that's when players had to sit a year - that's 2 per team. It happens and will continue to happen ... expect a huge bump this year as a bunch of seniors will stay and squeeze expected minutes from next year. I'm counting on Carey and praying on Bile! I am assuming Pickett is gone ... also not sure if it makes sense for Blair to stay.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Mar 21, 2021 13:49:05 GMT -5
Do you really want to play 5 years of college basketball? Would you have to if you were really good? Reminds me of this dad who left his already old for his grade kid back a year in middle school so that he would be a star pitcher. There is nothing to be gained by a 15 year old pitching to 13 year olds.
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Post by bamahoya11 on Mar 21, 2021 13:54:18 GMT -5
I’ll be interested to see if any of our seniors want an extra year. I would be delighted to have any of them return. As it sits, we basically would have Harris and Wahab anchoring a lot of young players. If we had essentially a third or fourth starter returning, it would go a long way for this team. I also think it’d add a lot more value than just another grad transfer who would have to learn our system and adjust to Ewing’s expectation. This will be interesting to watch — a couple big decisions would go a long way for this team next year.
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