paranoia2
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Post by paranoia2 on Mar 3, 2021 4:54:04 GMT -5
A very intelligent Hoya fan pointed out to me that Q Wahab seems to be dealing with some form of injury. Watching the game closely Q appears to be dragging his right leg at times & he lacks lateral movement & explosion in certain plays.
Fatigue could def be an issue but holding on tonite & the recent team success will help the team’s collective mental ability to close a game too. Success breeds more success.
Patrick deserves a ton of credit. Looking forward to next game and the BE Tournament.
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Post by hoyazeke on Mar 3, 2021 5:41:18 GMT -5
This wasn't the best game by Juggy but lets not forget that he lead a run that took the game from a 3-4pt lead to around a 10pt lead in the 1st half. He took 2 really bad shots and then he settled down and hit some big shots that gave the team confidence. So even during a bad game for Juggy he still was very crucial in the win.
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Post by dchoya72 on Mar 3, 2021 6:43:08 GMT -5
He brought Berger in as another ball handler to break the press. Berger just got the yips at the line but is usually a good shooter. Correct. And Wahab at the line is a known commodity, for sure. Wahab is pretty decent at the foul line.
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Post by dchoya72 on Mar 3, 2021 6:45:09 GMT -5
I know people are piling on Blair, but he played a good first half at least. I think he is struggling to get comfortable now. He was the gunner before and that was okay given our earlier seasons struggles. Now the team makeup and chemistry has changed for the better, and it is harder for him to adjust. I thought his first half play was solid and he should stay in that mode than his 2nd half of play. He is best when the ball is moving and he receives the ball in stride.
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Post by biggmanu on Mar 3, 2021 6:55:21 GMT -5
Giving Ewing credit where it’s due. He’s addressed the defensive ineptitude. Now let’s finish on a high note and stifle Bouknight!
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Post by biggmanu on Mar 3, 2021 7:06:20 GMT -5
So if Hoyas beat UConn, Xavier loses last game to Marquette, St Johns beats Providence and loses to Villanova and then Providence loses last game to Villanova...the Hoyas would end regular season 5th in the Big East standings?!
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jwp91
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Post by jwp91 on Mar 3, 2021 7:11:40 GMT -5
So if Hoyas beat UConn, Xavier loses last game to Marquette, St Johns beats Providence and loses to Villanova and then Providence loses last game to Villanova...the Hoyas would end regular season 5th in the Big East standings?! So you are saying there’s a chance!
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Post by DanMcQ on Mar 3, 2021 7:13:42 GMT -5
Only 12 turnovers.
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Post by professorhoya on Mar 3, 2021 7:18:03 GMT -5
So if Hoyas beat UConn, Xavier loses last game to Marquette, St Johns beats Providence and loses to Villanova and then Providence loses last game to Villanova...the Hoyas would end regular season 5th in the Big East standings?! The key game outside our own is St Johns beating Providence. Since there's a good likelihood that Villanova will beat Providence.
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Post by jwp91 on Mar 3, 2021 7:18:17 GMT -5
How about Dante covering Kunkel for several possessions?
He also sky-ed for a rebound in the paint over Jamorko.....and leaped to prevent a Blair pass from going at of bounds.
He had some key plays even if his stat line wasn’t gaudy.
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jwp91
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Post by jwp91 on Mar 3, 2021 7:18:54 GMT -5
After 6 in the first few minutes
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Post by daveg023 on Mar 3, 2021 7:25:46 GMT -5
After I think 7-8 in the first 7 minutes. As I said earlier in the game thread at the time if we could just cut turnovers down 20% even, we'd win. It's amazing we've won as many games as we have given the turnover margin issues, because we also turn teams over at an alarmingly low rate too (though its improving over this last stretch). Really if this team was more in the 11-12 TOs/per game range a game as opposed to +15, we'd really be on the cusp of being a Top 50 or better team from at least a metrics standpoint. On that point, per Bart Torvik, we have now moved up to #61 overall, and into the Top 50 for defense. In fact if we finish the season at this rating or better, it would be our highest defensive rating since our last NCAA team in 2015. The offense (which had been a strong point in the prior 3 years) is actually holding back the metrics from being a bit better. Again TO's are the biggest reason there. barttorvik.com/team-history.php?team=Georgetown
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jwp91
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Post by jwp91 on Mar 3, 2021 7:27:12 GMT -5
The defensive improvement has been remarkable. Credit to the coaches and players.
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Post by rhw485 on Mar 3, 2021 7:57:13 GMT -5
Everything is not going to be perfect all the time. Once again, including the refs. I still can’t believe they awarded X FTs twice in the second half on our over the back calls on the offensive end. That’s literally dead wrong. Hope GU submits that tape to BE office, because OConnell and Co should be shot for that performance. Xavier had been called for 1 foul at the under 8, and they were playing roller derby defense. Sorry I don't think this is right. Loose ball fouls going after the rebound are not considered offensive fouls, the ball is live and up for possession. You get free throws in the bonus. As much as we think the world is against us, this one aspect is standard. How we were behind in the foul count so much when we were the more aggressive team in the 2nd half is a different question. Xavier on the course of the season doesn't foul a lot but Ewing worked the refs (good!) and Scruggs then got his 4th and 5th on next two possessions
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Post by seaweed on Mar 3, 2021 8:16:45 GMT -5
Once again, including the refs. I still can’t believe they awarded X FTs twice in the second half on our over the back calls on the offensive end. That’s literally dead wrong. Hope GU submits that tape to BE office, because OConnell and Co should be shot for that performance. Xavier had been called for 1 foul at the under 8, and they were playing roller derby defense. Sorry I don't think this is right. Loose ball fouls going after the rebound are not considered offensive fouls, the ball is live and up for possession. You get free throws in the bonus. As much as we think the world is against us, this one aspect is standard. How we were behind in the foul count so much when we were the more aggressive team in the 2nd half is a different question. Xavier on the course of the season doesn't foul a lot but Ewing worked the refs (good!) and Scruggs then got his 4th and 5th on next two possessions Agree on the defensive rebounding fouls, but the call against Bile at 7:23 in the first half was egregious. Carter blatantly elbowed him in the neck and the ref called it as a block on Bile. This was awful but it did not have a major impact at least. Surprised they didn't review it
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Post by Loyal Hoya on Mar 3, 2021 8:32:10 GMT -5
Four in the first 4 minutes, and then eight in the next 36 minutes!
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Post by rhw485 on Mar 3, 2021 8:46:32 GMT -5
Put me firmly in the "We just beat a bubble team playing for their lives and should be very pleased" bucket, thank you very much - This was basically the first Nova game, with the only difference that Xavier started their run and adjustments with 10 min left in the game as opposed to right out of the gate to start the 2nd half. Are we really surprised that they eventually made a run? The expectation now is we blow out legitimately decent teams? Sure there's some things to work on down the stretch, but Pickett and Bile made winning plays I'm not sure they make early in the season. Great progress
- Hoya fans, of all fanbases, can appreciate this: If you're trying to run a 5-out type offense, with multiple non-shooting threats on the floor, it's going to get ugly. Between Johnson injury, Carter having what can only be categorized as the yips, and whatever shotput motion you want to call Odom's jumper, we were able to really grind them down in first half. If you're going small but not getting an offensive advantage, it's a terrible trade because you're going to get crushed on the boards, which we did to them in 1st half
- This basically forced Carter off the floor and we saw a lot more of Kunkel and Tandy. By the way, Kunkel reminds me of the Butler kid who transferred form GW, Jorgensen? 3 point shooter who talks too much and gets chippy for no reason. It took them a while to get it sorted out, but eventually Freemantle did enough damage from perimeter and they battled the boards more to a draw in the 2nd half, that the trade was working for them.
- Ewing finally caved and made the adjustment to take a center off the court. I think it worked out fine, Pickett still had a size advantage, Freemantle didn't get wide open looks, rebounds got a little dicey but that was the right decision. It's funny I had suggested that same tactic vs. Creighton and Nova and Ewing didnt go there, I assumed he would just never do it but he's making adjustments.
- Bile game was looking a little rough in 1st half but we don't win without his 3s and then he locked down the boards at the end. MVP with Pickett for sure
- And Jamorko grabbing boards, posting people up and beasting inside down the stretch. Way to grow as a senior and be a leader
- I'll keep saying this, Dante's swing skill is not his shooting, it's his ability to finish at the rim. 0-3 today, probably was missing some lift after that ankle injury but that's the biggest question mark for him going forward.
- After watching Akinjo and Mac struggle on defense, I bemoaned signing another small guard because it just felt like they wouldn't have a chance on defense. What we're learning is if you have elite quickness, you can apply enough ball pressure to offset. Dante has now guarded Scruggs, Bouknight, and McEwen very effectively. The average guard doesn't' want to post him up, it's not their game, and it's a win for us if that's what they resort to. Sure you'll run into a Gillespie every now and then, but Dante covering 6'4 guards without issue is just huge for this defense
- Q's passing was the best it's been all year. Only one assist in the book but a few hockey assists. He's prepared for it now and getting rid of the ball for us to catch a rotating defender. I still think the rest of the team needs work in these situations, no cuts from the opposite side, we make it difficult on Q but he's clearly focusing on it
- Stat of the season on defense. Our ability to force turnovers. If you look at the season long stats, our TO% on Defense is 15.9%, which is currently 323rd in the country. But here's the split. Before pause: 13.7%, 3rd worst in country. After pause: 18.7%, 175th in country. That's really the difference
- And we've played 10 games after pause. Last 10 games offensive efficiency: 51st. Last 10 games defensive efficiency: 49th. Indiana is 45th currently on Bart Torvik w season long stats of 51st on offense and 52nd on defense. We're basically a mid 40s computer profile team over last 10 games, that's basically right on the bubble and we've sustained it for 10 big east games
And that, my friends, is why I keep saying the expectations for next season is make the tournament. Xavier had one strong non-con win where they got some schedule luck beating Oklahoma before they took off, and otherwise were .500 in Big East and in discussion. Don't tell me we can't do that next year.
I expect the team to be better prepared for UConn's aggressive defense this time around. Hoya Saxa
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Post by prhoya on Mar 3, 2021 9:12:31 GMT -5
Put me firmly in the "We just beat a bubble team playing for their lives and should be very pleased" bucket, thank you very much - This was basically the first Nova game, with the only difference that Xavier started their run and adjustments with 10 min left in the game as opposed to right out of the gate to start the 2nd half. Are we really surprised that they eventually made a run? The expectation now is we blow out legitimately decent teams? Sure there's some things to work on down the stretch, but Pickett and Bile made winning plays I'm not sure they make early in the season. Great progress
- Hoya fans, of all fanbases, can appreciate this: If you're trying to run a 5-out type offense, with multiple non-shooting threats on the floor, it's going to get ugly. Between Johnson injury, Carter having what can only be categorized as the yips, and whatever shotput motion you want to call Odom's jumper, we were able to really grind them down in first half. If you're going small but not getting an offensive advantage, it's a terrible trade because you're going to get crushed on the boards, which we did to them in 1st half
- This basically forced Carter off the floor and we saw a lot more of Kunkel and Tandy. By the way, Kunkel reminds me of the Butler kid who transferred form GW, Jorgensen? 3 point shooter who talks too much and gets chippy for no reason. It took them a while to get it sorted out, but eventually Freemantle did enough damage from perimeter and they battled the boards more to a draw in the 2nd half, that the trade was working for them.
- Ewing finally caved and made the adjustment to take a center off the court. I think it worked out fine, Pickett still had a size advantage, Freemantle didn't get wide open looks, rebounds got a little dicey but that was the right decision. It's funny I had suggested that same tactic vs. Creighton and Nova and Ewing didnt go there, I assumed he would just never do it but he's making adjustments.
- Bile game was looking a little rough in 1st half but we don't win without his 3s and then he locked down the boards at the end. MVP with Pickett for sure
- And Jamorko grabbing boards, posting people up and beasting inside down the stretch. Way to grow as a senior and be a leader
- I'll keep saying this, Dante's swing skill is not his shooting, it's his ability to finish at the rim. 0-3 today, probably was missing some lift after that ankle injury but that's the biggest question mark for him going forward.
- After watching Akinjo and Mac struggle on defense, I bemoaned signing another small guard because it just felt like they wouldn't have a chance on defense. What we're learning is if you have elite quickness, you can apply enough ball pressure to offset. Dante has now guarded Scruggs, Bouknight, and McEwen very effectively. The average guard doesn't' want to post him up, it's not their game, and it's a win for us if that's what they resort to. Sure you'll run into a Gillespie every now and then, but Dante covering 6'4 guards without issue is just huge for this defense
- Q's passing was the best it's been all year. Only one assist in the book but a few hockey assists. He's prepared for it now and getting rid of the ball for us to catch a rotating defender. I still think the rest of the team needs work in these situations, no cuts from the opposite side, we make it difficult on Q but he's clearly focusing on it
- Stat of the season on defense. Our ability to force turnovers. If you look at the season long stats, our TO% on Defense is 15.9%, which is currently 323rd in the country. But here's the split. Before pause: 13.7%, 3rd worst in country. After pause: 18.7%, 175th in country. That's really the difference
- And we've played 10 games after pause. Last 10 games offensive efficiency: 51st. Last 10 games defensive efficiency: 49th. Indiana is 45th currently on Bart Torvik w season long stats of 51st on offense and 52nd on defense. We're basically a mid 40s computer profile team over last 10 games, that's basically right on the bubble and we've sustained it for 10 big east games
And that, my friends, is why I keep saying the expectations for next season is make the tournament. Xavier had one strong non-con win where they got some schedule luck beating Oklahoma before they took off, and otherwise were .500 in Big East and in discussion. Don't tell me we can't do that next year.
I expect the team to be better prepared for UConn's aggressive defense this time around. Hoya Saxa
Lots of good stuff here. I will just add that again we won a 3-pt battle at McD; puzzled by 2 mins of Sibley and a TJ sighting; Tim’s turnaround on FT% might be historic for GU; Pickett and Bile were co-MVP; and liked that Blair got less than 30 mpg and we didn’t need more from him to win.
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Post by bostonfan on Mar 3, 2021 9:41:14 GMT -5
Big win against a good team last night. The Hoyas made it a little more interesting than they needed to at the end of the game, but were able to make enough plays to hold on and get the win. A lot of positives from the game last night. I thought it might have been the teams best defensive effort all year as they contested pretty much every shot and took Xavier out of the type of offense they normally run. Things got hectic at the end and they gave up too many offensive rebounds and a few open looks, but overall the effort on the defensive end was there all night. The ball movement last night was great and it led to a bunch of open shots. They showed great patience and trust in the offense and then made the open shots when they got them. By far the best job of the year by Q passig the ball out of the post when he was double teamed. I am sure the staff was expecting that going into the game and prepared Q for it and he came through most of the time making the right play. Whatever worked they did with him to get ready for last night just needs to continue because that is the next step in his development.
One negative thing that became clearer to me last night was just the fact that the team as a whole is not a good passing team. They have had a ton of turnovers all year (I think they probably had less last night than some games) and the cause for a lot of those turnovers is just poor fundamental passing. None of the guys that play big minutes are above average passers of the ball. Hope the team can improve on passing in the next few games and next season. Just to be fair, I watch alot of college basketball and most teams are made up of players who are not good passers. The teams that do it well, Nova/Gonzaga, make it look easy and typically don't have a lot of turnovers and get teammates good shots.
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Post by dchoya72 on Mar 3, 2021 9:43:39 GMT -5
Giving Ewing credit where it’s due. He’s addressed the defensive ineptitude. Now let’s finish on a high note and stifle Bouknight! I would love to see Kobe Clark get to defend him. In preparation during practices, I wonder who amongst our reserves gets to play the role of Boughknight?
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