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Post by rhw485 on Feb 22, 2021 8:45:03 GMT -5
UConn is an interesting checkpoint for the Hoyas progress. Mainly because Hurley is in year 3 of a rebuild and he was mentioned by a few as a potential target when Ewing was ultimately hired. The Bouknight injury threw them for a loop but they've hung around. Definitely heading towards bubble at this point - I assume we'll see Sanogo and Whaley paired together to start as they've done recently. So that leads me to believe a lot of Whaley's blocks come on the weakside as help defender. He'll be guarding either Bile or Pickett, so our spacing should force him into difficult decisions. If he goes block hunting, have to kick it out
- So the easy matchups are Dante on Cole and Q on Sonogo. Honestly I could talk myself into any combination of the other 3 guarding Whaley, Martin, Bouknight (other than Blair on Whaley). My guess is Blair gets Bouknight first, with Bile on Martin and Pickett on Whaley. You want Bouknight settling for jumpers so Blair is probably quickest and you'll have to live with long jumpers if he's hot. I'd personally love to see us switch any screens that don't involve Q and you force Bouknight just to go 1-on-1 with whoever he gets but we've never done that
- Will we see Sibley more? he's a much better defensive matchup for Bouknight or Martin but I doubt he plays more than his usual spot minutes, which I understand, you stick with what's working. Not that Bouknight will be around next year, but Aminu and Riley are exactly the type of defenders you'd want on a player like him
- UConn fouls a ton, while we've struggled with drawing fouls most of the year. We've done a better job lately, and if we can get to the line in this one it would make everything a lot easier
Excited for tomorrow night, keep the momentum going and be ready for a battle against a tough team
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Post by hoopsmccan on Feb 22, 2021 8:52:30 GMT -5
The Bile change to the starting lineup was clearly a jump starter. I wonder how we get Carey some more minutes. He made so many winning plays in that last game. Seems easy enough when Blair is playing 37.5 mpg and Harris is over 32... I think you can steal a minute or two from Harris, but any real time for Carey should be from Blair’s time. Blair or Carey at the point looks rough. hm
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Post by EtomicB on Feb 22, 2021 9:20:38 GMT -5
Seems easy enough when Blair is playing 37.5 mpg and Harris is over 32... I think you can steal a minute or two from Harris, but any real time for Carey should be from Blair’s time. Blair or Carey at the point looks rough. hm I would go with Blair 1st as well, 37+ minutes is too much in my opinion... Blair does lead the team in assists & has the lowest turnover ratio amongst the non-bigs
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Post by tribeninerhoya on Feb 22, 2021 10:12:27 GMT -5
I think getting the ball on the inside and interior passing could be keys to winning this game. UConn helps a lot underneath, which theoretically should leave a cutting front court player open. I'd work on that a lot this week. Could be successful with a lot of Wahab to Pickett/Bile and vice versa early in the game. Obviously, three point shooting and spacing will help a lot with that, as well, because it could allow for kickouts rather than interior passing.
One thing I hope they're working on is catching it and going straight up with it underneath. Obviously, Q is the main guilty party, but we need to be sure we're not taking the ball back down to waist height or putting it on the floor when we're deep in the interior (i.e., under the basket), if we can help it. Might also be able to use some pump fakes to our advantage and get to the line/make them go to the bench more quickly.
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Post by hoopsmccan on Feb 22, 2021 11:21:53 GMT -5
I think you can steal a minute or two from Harris, but any real time for Carey should be from Blair’s time. Blair or Carey at the point looks rough. hm I would go with Blair 1st as well, 37+ minutes is too much in my opinion... Blair does lead the team in assists & has the lowest turnover ratio amongst the non-bigs Fair enough and agree on 37+ being too much (surprised by how many assists Blair has, even with his crazy playing time). Harris's turnover ratio has improved since the break; not sure about Blair's but his might be out of whack with a small sample size and the atrocity that was the Butler game. I know I feel better when Harris is at the point, for whatever that is worth. hm
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2021 11:53:37 GMT -5
I would go with Blair 1st as well, 37+ minutes is too much in my opinion... Blair does lead the team in assists & has the lowest turnover ratio amongst the non-bigs Fair enough and agree on 37+ being too much (surprised by how many assists Blair has, even with his crazy playing time). Harris's turnover ratio has improved since the break; not sure about Blair's but his might be out of whack with a small sample size and the atrocity that was the Butler game. I know I feel better when Harris is at the point, for whatever that is worth. hm I know but ain't it crazy how we have two guys both doing well statistically quarterbacking the team? Dante has like a 4 to 1 assist to turnover ratio (it could be higher) by my estimation over the last 6 or 7 games and Blair is like the fourth or fifth leader in the Big East with assist. That's amazing! With all the statistically categories that the guys show up in in the Big East, it is only a matter of time before we start dominating the Big East with wins. I don't see any reasons why we shouldn't expect the Hoyas to win the final four games of the season if Dante keeps doing what he does and the rest of the guys keep doing what they have been doing over the past six games. I agree that Carey should get about 25 mins a game. Those minutes can be shaved off of a few players minutes. I say that mainly because we need the guys to be fresh for the Big East tournament. It would be nice to get a couple of minutes of extra rest for Pickett, Blair, Dante and Bile each game from this point forward until the remaining of the regular season. Q gets his rest since Tim plays a lot of minutes spelling Q.
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Post by jwp91 on Feb 22, 2021 11:57:23 GMT -5
The Bile change to the starting lineup was clearly a jump starter. I wonder how we get Carey some more minutes. He made so many winning plays in that last game. Seems easy enough when Blair is playing 37.5 mpg and Harris is over 32... Hopefully it is that easy. Note Blair assisted both 4 point plays.
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Post by tribeninerhoya on Feb 22, 2021 12:09:31 GMT -5
Since the break, Harris has 28 assists to 16 TOs and Blair has 34 assists to 18 TOs. The biggest improvement has been in Harris's offensive rating, which was only over 100 two times in the first 11 games (115.2 against Coppin State and 108.6 against SJU). Since the break, his ORTGs are 109, 108.5, 134.5, 66.1, 132, and 105.9. barttorvik.com/playerstat.php?year=2021&p=Dante%20Harris&t=GeorgetownThe team as a whole only had a gamescore over 90 (scale of 0-100) one time before the break (92 vs Coppin State), but has gone 97, 80, 18, 96, and 91 since then. Much stronger play, led largely by the offensive improvements. barttorvik.com/team.php?team=Georgetown&year=2021
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2021 12:17:31 GMT -5
Since the break, Harris has 28 assists to 16 TOs and Blair has 34 assists to 18 TOs. The biggest improvement has been in Harris's offensive rating, which was only over 100 two times in the first 11 games (115.2 against Coppin State and 108.6 against SJU). Since the break, his ORTGs are 109, 108.5, 134.5, 66.1, 132, and 105.9. barttorvik.com/playerstat.php?year=2021&p=Dante%20Harris&t=GeorgetownThe team as a whole only had a gamescore over 90 (scale of 0-100) one time before the break (92 vs Coppin State), but has gone 97, 80, 18, 96, and 91 since then. Much stronger play, led largely by the offensive improvements. barttorvik.com/team.php?team=Georgetown&year=2021Whoooa so my 4 to 1 ratio of assist to turnovers for Harris isn't true?!! He first has to get to at 2 to 1 ratio and then work his way up. I think the last game hurt him when he turned the ball over 5 times and reduced his ratio to below 2 assist for every 1 turnover. Yikes!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2021 12:20:42 GMT -5
Anybody knows how we are doing overall with turnovers per a game since the break? Are reducing them or, are we still at what is it 15 a game? I hope we can get that number down to 10 by the end of the season.
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Post by hoyaduck on Feb 22, 2021 12:27:56 GMT -5
Turnovers by game: 20, 13, 15, 26, 12, 17, 13, 14, 17, 15, 12, 7, 13, 14, 24, 23, 18
Bold = post-break games
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Post by rhw485 on Feb 22, 2021 12:29:54 GMT -5
Anybody knows how we are doing overall with turnovers per a game since the break? Are reducing them or, are we still at what is it 15 a game? I hope we can get that number down to 10 by the end of the season. So the right way to look at this is turnover percentage, as it better accounts for pace of play across the country, where we have more possessions we'll inevitably have more turnovers just because we play fast. This makes it apples to apples Turnover percentage Season: 22.4% (316th in country) Post break numbers: Provy: 10.7% Creighton: 17.4% Nova: 22% Creighton: 32.9% (yikes) Butler: 32.2% (yikes) SH: 25.1% (yikes) So no, not looking any better. As others have noted, we're simply shooting great from 3 and crashing the offensive glass to keep the offense afloat.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2021 12:46:28 GMT -5
Anybody knows how we are doing overall with turnovers per a game since the break? Are reducing them or, are we still at what is it 15 a game? I hope we can get that number down to 10 by the end of the season. So the right way to look at this is turnover percentage, as it better accounts for pace of play across the country, where we have more possessions we'll inevitably have more turnovers just because we play fast. This makes it apples to apples Turnover percentage Season: 22.4% (316th in country) Post break numbers: Provy: 10.7% Creighton: 17.4% Nova: 22% Creighton: 32.9% (yikes) Butler: 32.2% (yikes) SH: 25.1% (yikes) So no, not looking any better. As others have noted, we're simply shooting great from 3 and crashing the offensive glass to keep the offense afloat. Yeah, thanks for the stats. I do understand what you're saying about us playing fast (leading to more turnovers) and I had made the suggestion before the break that perhaps coach should slow it down a little to cut down on the turnovers especially where it came to Dante. I feel like they have slowed down their pace tremendously since. Surely, we've gotten it down a little bit right since Dante has been playing better? I know for a fact that at least Dante's turnovers have reduced since the break. Are we below the numbers we were at per a game before the break? If not, how do we get there? How can we get to ten turnovers a game or should we just forget about it and just keep hoping our offense continues to flourish and translating to wins?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2021 12:49:02 GMT -5
Turnovers by game: 20, 13, 15, 26, 12, 17, 13, 14, 17, 15, 12, 7, 13, 14, 24, 23, 18
Bold = post-break games Hoya Duck, thank you so much. I'm just now seeing this. Let me compute to see if we are improving. From the looks of just your raw numbers we are definitely improving. Thanks!!!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2021 12:50:20 GMT -5
Turnovers by game: 20, 13, 15, 26, 12, 17, 13, 14, 17, 15, 12, 7, 13, 14, 24, 23, 18
Bold = post-break games Hoya Duck, thank you so much. I'm just now seeing this. Let me compute to see if we are improving. From the looks of just your raw numbers we are definitely improving. Thanks!!! Damn when I computed after the break the number is 16.5 per game! That is definitely toooooo high!!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2021 12:54:51 GMT -5
Hoya Duck, thank you so much. I'm just now seeing this. Let me compute to see if we are improving. From the looks of just your raw numbers we are definitely improving. Thanks!!! Damn when I computed after the break the number is 16.5 per game! That is definitely toooooo high!! Damn before the break it was 15.81! We are actually not improving; we are getting worse!!! Damn, what can we do about this? I don't want these turnovers biting us in the you know what when we get to the BE tournament.
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Post by rhw485 on Feb 22, 2021 13:02:46 GMT -5
Damn when I computed after the break the number is 16.5 per game! That is definitely toooooo high!! Damn before the break it was 15.81! We are actually not improving; we are getting worse!!! Damn, what can we do about this? I don't want these turnovers biting us in the you know what when we get to the BE tournament. And now you see why your favorite player Bile is frustrating for some of us . Its why his offensive efficiency numbers are worse than others on team, the turnovers are factored in. But agreed he's backing it up with numbers so you take the good with the bad, but the turnovers have been constant so he has a high bar to be a value add, which he's being doing lately.
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Post by RockawayHoya on Feb 22, 2021 13:04:35 GMT -5
So the right way to look at this is turnover percentage, as it better accounts for pace of play across the country, where we have more possessions we'll inevitably have more turnovers just because we play fast. This makes it apples to apples Turnover percentage Season: 22.4% (316th in country) Post break numbers: Provy: 10.7% Creighton: 17.4% Nova: 22% Creighton: 32.9% (yikes) Butler: 32.2% (yikes) SH: 25.1% (yikes) So no, not looking any better. As others have noted, we're simply shooting great from 3 and crashing the offensive glass to keep the offense afloat. Yeah, thanks for the stats. I do understand what you're saying about us playing fast (leading to more turnovers) and I had made the suggestion before the break that perhaps coach should slow it down a little to cut down on the turnovers especially where it came to Dante. I feel like they have slowed down their pace tremendously since. Surely, we've gotten it down a little bit right since Dante has been playing better? I know for a fact that at least Dante's turnovers have reduced since the break. Are we below the numbers we were at per a game before the break? If not, how do we get there? How can we get to ten turnovers a game or should we just forget about it and just keep hoping our offense continues to flourish and translating to wins? We are not slowing down. Hoyas are averaging 70 possessions a game since the break and 69.8/game for the year. Not an appreciable difference. Easiest ways to cut down turnovers are to cut out the lazy entry passes (poor angles, no fake, etc.) and forcing guys to use two hands when passing instead of one. Those are just basic fundamentals. You probably also cut out a couple TOs per game if guys who post up can tell the difference between when they have an advantage and should put up a shot vs. when they don't and should kick it back out to the perimeter. We got a couple guys on staff who should know a thing or two on post play so this should have been cleaned up far more than it already has been, but you are starting to see a pass back out to the perimeter here and there when doubles come in recent games. Still nowhere near enough, but baby steps.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2021 13:12:14 GMT -5
Yeah, thanks for the stats. I do understand what you're saying about us playing fast (leading to more turnovers) and I had made the suggestion before the break that perhaps coach should slow it down a little to cut down on the turnovers especially where it came to Dante. I feel like they have slowed down their pace tremendously since. Surely, we've gotten it down a little bit right since Dante has been playing better? I know for a fact that at least Dante's turnovers have reduced since the break. Are we below the numbers we were at per a game before the break? If not, how do we get there? How can we get to ten turnovers a game or should we just forget about it and just keep hoping our offense continues to flourish and translating to wins? We are not slowing down. Hoyas are averaging 70 possessions a game since the break and 69.8/game for the year. Not an appreciable difference. Easiest ways to cut down turnovers are to cut out the lazy entry passes (poor angles, no fake, etc.) and forcing guys to use two hands when passing instead of one. Those are just basic fundamentals. You probably also cut out a couple TOs per game if guys who post up can tell the difference between when they have an advantage and should put up a shot vs. when they don't and should kick it back out to the perimeter. We got a couple guys on staff who should know a thing or two on post play so this should have been cleaned up far more than it already has been, but you are starting to see a pass back out to the perimeter here and there when doubles come in recent games. Still nowhere near enough, but baby steps. Not to be argumentative, the possessions may be true. However, it seems like earlier in the year, that the guys were moving waaay too fast especially Dante. I'm making reference to the pace of the game and not necessarily the number of possessions though there may be some correlation. As far as the basic fundamentals that you're suggesting, is it even possible to implement at this point. Could there be strategic adjustments we could make like for example having the ball in Dante's hands the majority of the time in our possessions? Or, do you think that would take away from the flow of the offense and affect our play adversely?
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Feb 22, 2021 13:48:40 GMT -5
Not to be argumentative, the possessions may be true. However, it seems like earlier in the year, that the guys were moving waaay too fast especially Dante. I'm making reference to the pace of the game and not necessarily the number of possessions though there may be some correlation. Pace is measured in number of possessions. The faster you end a possession, the quicker the pace. Of course, overall pace is affected by both teams, but over time, it is still informative. You can get around that by looking at possession length on offense and defenses. Ours are very similar. Our pace has actually gotten a bit faster over the course of the last few games. Pre-COVID break, we were ranked 126th, averaging 70.1 possessions per game. Now, we are ranked 94th, averaging 69.8 possessions per game. Not a huge difference, obviously. We are similar in pace on offense and defense. 83rd fastest offense (average possession length is 16.5 seconds), and 99th fastest defense (average possession length is 16.9 seconds). (Keep in mind, too, you generally want longer defensive possessions because longer defensive possessions statistically make for a better defense. Of course, this makes sense - if your defensive pace is slower, it means there are going to be less fastbreaks, less quick baskets, and the opponent using more of the shot clock, which leads to more bad shots.)
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