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Post by iowa80 on Jan 11, 2021 9:17:59 GMT -5
No one seems to respond when I ask about his contract.
A better question, if we get off to a good start next year, might be whether he should be extended, and, if not then when?
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Post by SSHoya on Jan 11, 2021 9:35:32 GMT -5
No one seems to respond when I ask about his contract. A better question, if we get off to a good start next year, might be whether he should be extended, and, if not then when? My guess is that no one knows for sure what the terms of his contract actually are other than salary which Georgetown, as a tax exempt nonprofit educational institution, must report on its IRS-990 as one of the university's highest compensated employee. Someone correct me but I think the last figure I saw for his salary was $2.9 million back in 2017 or 2018. www.influencewatch.org/non-profit/georgetown-university/
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Post by hoyaguy on Jan 17, 2021 17:22:13 GMT -5
Getting back on topic. I am of the “meaningful games in March” school of thought which basically can be: - Still in the hunt for a dance bid (meaning at worst we are "next four out" or we somehow get to dance)
- At least 7th place (you don’t need to go .500 in BE to go dance i.e. St Johns a couple years back, so 8 wins?)
- Some people might flip out...I would take an NIT bid but we better do well to make it count
- A win in the BET
- Fighting to finishing in the top half of the BE, which if we did, probably lead to a Dance bid
Also: 4 star recruits for '22 (preferably top 75 or 100) 3-4 year players to build a good base and at least one should be DMV
Any combination of those things above would suffice as a solid improvement to me and most will go hand in hand with others. Bare minimum to get 1 more year: Finish .500 or higher overall, 8th place in BE, Top 150 recruits, and no-one leaves
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Post by smokeyjack on Jan 17, 2021 19:35:56 GMT -5
9-9 in the BE is going to be tough next year. We will be young. Absolutely obligatory...especially if Blair comes back. Pickett being gone might actually be addition by subtraction; one of most disappointing players in program history. Ewing has been disgracefully bad. 9-9 is hardly setting the world on fire.
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Post by the_way on Jan 17, 2021 19:50:36 GMT -5
There is nothing disappointing about Pickett. He should be celebrated. A local kid (how about that!) that stuck it out with the program and didn't bail. He improved incrementally over the course of his career at G-town.
Who can rebound like Pickett on this team for next year? It is going to be hard to replace his rebounding for next year. He is a good rebounder. Who really crashes the boards for us? How many true forwards (not tweeners) do we have on this team? For next year?
To suggest he might be an addition by subtraction is a bit harsh and disservice to the young man.
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Post by smokeyjack on Jan 17, 2021 20:05:06 GMT -5
There is nothing disappointing about Pickett. He should be celebrated. A local kid (how about that!) that stuck it out with the program and didn't bail. He improved incrementally over the course of his career at G-town. Who can rebound like Pickett on this team for next year? It is going to be hard to replace his rebounding for next year. He is a good rebounder. Who really crashes the boards for us? How many true forwards (not tweeners) do we have on this team? For next year? To suggest he might be an addition by subtraction is a bit harsh and disservice to the young man. You can celebrate him for both of us. I find him the most maddeningly underachieving player since I’ve followed GU hoops (1989), and I don’t think there’s a close second. Yes, he’s a very good rebounder. He’s not a net-plus in any other skill category IMO. He occasionally does things that only a handful of other current college players can. But for every flash, he throws the ball away or cracks the backboard on an uncontested 3-pt attempt. No current player in all of college hoops is more likely to miss the rim from behind the arc.
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Post by the_way on Jan 17, 2021 20:14:34 GMT -5
He is not underachieving. People look at him and think he should play in a particular way which isn't his game.
It is not his fault the program is in its current shape, yet he is penalized for it. Same with Blair. So what he is not Otto Porter or Reggie Williams. He never displayed that type of game since his freshmen year, but some somehow people expect him to play at their level. With their skill. Simply because he is physically built like Kevin Durant. No other reason. That is what is maddening.
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Post by reformation on Jan 17, 2021 21:31:42 GMT -5
Don't see any way Ewing is under presssure next year unless there is a fan revolt or another team exodus. Year after next there will probably be some critical evaluation including record, recruits, making tournament etc.
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Post by iowa80 on Jan 17, 2021 22:09:19 GMT -5
Don't see any way Ewing is under presssure next year unless there is a fan revolt or another team exodus. Year after next there will probably be some critical evaluation including record, recruits, making tournament etc. That could be a matter of the duration of his deal. If it's five years, they have a choice to make almost ASAP for recruiting purposes. If it's for six years, standard procedure is to extend before the final year if warranted. I doubt they gave him seven, but who knows?
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Post by prhoya on Jan 17, 2021 22:28:07 GMT -5
Don't see any way Ewing is under presssure next year unless there is a fan revolt or another team exodus. Year after next there will probably be some critical evaluation including record, recruits, making tournament etc. That could be a matter of the duration of his deal. If it's five years, they have a choice to make almost ASAP for recruiting purposes. If it's for six years, standard procedure is to extend before the final year if warranted. I doubt they gave him seven, but who knows? I wonder if and how this information is revealed to recruits if asked/requested by the recruit and his family/advisor. If I was a recruit I would want to know if the coach recruiting me is going to be around, but Georgetown is a vault regarding these matters.
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Post by bornhoya on Jan 17, 2021 23:15:31 GMT -5
There is nothing disappointing about Pickett. He should be celebrated. A local kid (how about that!) that stuck it out with the program and didn't bail. He improved incrementally over the course of his career at G-town. Who can rebound like Pickett on this team for next year? It is going to be hard to replace his rebounding for next year. He is a good rebounder. Who really crashes the boards for us? How many true forwards (not tweeners) do we have on this team? For next year? To suggest he might be an addition by subtraction is a bit harsh and disservice to the young man. You can celebrate him for both of us. I find him the most maddeningly underachieving player since I’ve followed GU hoops (1989), and I don’t think there’s a close second. Yes, he’s a very good rebounder. He’s not a net-plus in any other skill category IMO. He occasionally does things that only a handful of other current college players can. But for every flash, he throws the ball away or cracks the backboard on an uncontested 3-pt attempt. No current player in all of college hoops is more likely to miss the rim from behind the arc. Yea I don’t get the Pickett hate he was a top 100 kid coming out and he plays like a top 100 kid
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Post by chadwicks on Jan 18, 2021 11:50:21 GMT -5
Picket and Blair show up every game and give solid effort - they are not the problem with team's performance. in addressing the HC situation and so forth. it's useful to look at the UCONN situation compared to ours. UCONN hired Dan Hurley at approximate time we hired Ewing. UCONN (like our hoops) was in steep decline and they decided to rejoin BE, get new leadership and had a stated goal of competing (once again) for championships. it's a clear goal. they hired the highest compensated employee in the state (which is financially compromised). Hurley had college HC experience at Wagner and URI (where he succeeded in both programs). they went all-in to achieve a stated goal and selected a man with a proven track record to achieve greatness. They are on the path and appear to be on the verge
Contrast that with GU. we hire a HC who had no experience in that position at all - and had no experience whatsoever in the college game. at time of his hire there was very little expression from GU's BOT other than a statement from DeGoia "We 'just' want to play good basketball" WTH does 'just play good basketball' mean? by the way both HC's have similar compensation. UCONN wants to be great (compete for BE and nat'l championships) - GU just satisfied with being good. How do we interpret good? nobody knows. is good - middle of pack in a competitive BE? was good - achieved in EWing's 2nd season when we were middle of pack but no tournament bid and losing to Harvard in McDonough in 1st round of NIT? will a similar record in 2021/2 season be a return to 'good'? nobody knows. one thing we do know - you wont finish high if you don't aim high. the stakes ($ and glory) in the conference we choose to compete are high. Nova, Creighton, Seton Hall, Xavier and now UCONN all have championship in their DNA and pursue it with supreme determination.
its confusing when you look at GU. academically, we talk elite and compete for and attract 'exceptional' students. why do our leadership satisfice with 'good' wrt hoops? other elite academic institutions do not compromise their basketball goals - Duke, UVA, UNC, UCLA, Texas, Michigan - others like Northwestern and Stanford are shooting higher as well in recent times.
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Post by prhoya on Jan 18, 2021 12:40:02 GMT -5
Contrast that with GU. we hire a HC who had no experience in that position at all - and had no experience whatsoever in the college game. at time of his hire there was very little expression from GU's BOT other than a statement from DeGoia "We 'just' want to play good basketball"; The stated goal by the Thompsons was to keep the basketball program in the Family. We know this from Pat's interviews after accepting the position he wasn't looking for, but that the Thompsons offered him. They accomplished it. DeGioia allowed it because of his relationship with JT2. On the other hand, UConn conducted a professional head coaching search with a basketball-related goal in mind. Now, UConn is climbing the polls, while GU has to wait until Pat gets his first head coaching experience and college basketball coaching experience under his gut.
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Post by chadwicks on Jan 18, 2021 13:12:35 GMT -5
so very true. Patience is a virtue but not necessarily the pragmatic case in big time college basketball
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Post by chadwicks on Jan 18, 2021 13:27:21 GMT -5
also, at the time of the HC decision, Tagliabue was supposed to be chairing our search committee. whatever happened with Pat - happened under the supervision/acceptance of the BOT. the goals of the search emphasizing "Keep it in the family" approach- well, then success was achieved. However, what are the follow through goals for the program post the hiring? I have never read "competing for championships" - "returning to excellence" etc.., from either the BOT or Pat. we do hear how certain players don't perform or need to raise their game or how inexperienced players are or how the team hasn't had time to connect etc.., A variety of excuses but no sharing of vision or goals. How can you measure oneself if you aren't committing to a specific agenda? I don't get it
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jan 18, 2021 14:30:58 GMT -5
No one seems to respond when I ask about his contract. A better question, if we get off to a good start next year, might be whether he should be extended, and, if not then when? As someone else said, I don't think anybody knows. Georgetown is a private university, so all we really find out is the salary via the Form 990. That said, I think this is a unique situation. Let's say you hire a coach for 5 years. Usually, in or at the end of the 4th year the guy either gets an extension, or fired. The reason being is that if you are a 5th year "lame duck" coach, that makes it incredibly hard to recruit, as it will make you appear like you're on your way out. What makes Ewing unique is that even if he is on the last year of his contract, he isn't a "lame duck," in the sense that the university would ideally like to keep him, he is a Georgetown legend, he clearly is not a risk to leave to go coach somewhere else, and most importantly, nobody has any idea how long he has left on his deal, so nobody has reason to worry. On that basis, Georgetown absolutely should not give him a long extension. As it is, the university paid JT3 out two years after he was fired. If the time does come to move on, the university should not waste financial resources giving Ewing a big extension, when there is no justification for doing so at the moment.
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Post by CTHoya08 on Jan 18, 2021 14:58:13 GMT -5
Honest question: how often does it happen that a coach and school part ways following the last year of a contract, rather than prematurely due to firing or the coach leaving for a better offer? I suspect that the answer is "rarely." If I'm right about this, I have a hard time imagining how "opposing coach only has one year left on his deal" is really an effective recruiting tactic. If a school wants to keep a coach, they'll extend him. If not, they'll fire him. I doubt many schools run out the clock until the end of a contract and just let the coach walk away.
To be sure, being able to tell a recruit "the school and I just agreed to a four-year extension" certainly must instill some confidence. But I think the fact of the matter is, with very rare exception (e.g., K, Izzo), there's always a chance that the coach will be gone before a recruit's four years on campus are through, regardless of how many years are left on the deal. So I'm with 2003 in saying that it probably isn't worth it for the school to commit to an extension for recruiting purposes. But of course, I say all of this without any firsthand experience in college recruiting, and it's been a while since I've been inside the mind of a 17-year-old.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Jan 18, 2021 16:30:23 GMT -5
My hope is that every senior and grad transfer moves on. I would truly like to see a fresh start next year.
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Post by hoyaguy on Jan 18, 2021 16:44:15 GMT -5
My hope is that every senior and grad transfer moves on. I would truly like to see a fresh start next year. Me too as much as I appreciate the contributions and commitment. I would prefer to just have as fresh of a start as possible next year with new talent. Moving on and no excuses.
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Post by hoya9797 on Jan 18, 2021 16:55:00 GMT -5
Oh, there will be excuses, you can count on that.
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