Georgetown @ St Johns Game 2 12/20/20 Discussion

[blueandgray]

Post here. Will be tough to win back to back games...they will be coming after us hard!!

[Bigs"R"Us]

We’ve only played at home. Taking two from them will be difficult.

[blueandgray]

With Jalen back...we should be able to do a better job handling the pressure. I thought Blair did a decent job bringing the ball up the court when he had to...but it was a bit of a nerve racking experience to watch. Need to limit turnovers and rebound. Can’t rely on Q getting 9 blocks again to clean up the mess.

[HOYAPLAYA]

Nice game for Pickett to go off and hopefully Bile will add something. Lack of fans will hopefully help offset any of the youngsters early road jitters.

[calhoya]

I really am looking forward to this game as a means of measuring Ewing's development as a coach and the players' development as a unit. Sunday revealed a lot about this team's potential which hopefully leads to further adjustments. How will D. Harris and Carey react to the increased attention they will surely get now that they were so pivotal in the first game. How will Ewing get Pickett and Blair back into the flow of the offense against the St. John's defense which focused on both. What will be done to limit the offensive rebounds for St. Johns? Will Berger and Sibley be part of the regular rotation now? What role for J Harris and Clark, assuming they are healthy? What role for Tim I or do the Hoyas go small without Wahab? Recall that a different set of officials could easily have called more fouls on Wahab and that would have changed the flow of the game completely. How do we get Bile to harness his athleticism and play within the offense and defense (assuming there really is a defense)? How will the Hoyas guards handle the pressure defense of St. Johns which caused numerous careless TOs. With a longer bench/rotation, what combinations will Ewing have on the floor? Suddenly having both Pickett and Blair out of the game for short times does not seem quite the death blow for the offense as it did 4 days ago. Finally, will the Hoyas start to show any signs of being able to play competent defense against a very athletic, but poor shooting team?

I really do not expect much change from St. Johns as their style of play is what it is. However, there is opportunity here for the Hoyas to show that their upside this year is much higher than many thought, particularly if D. Harris, Carey and Berger continue to shoot well.

[professorhoya]

It’s nice that we have an entire week to savor sundays victory

[Bigs"R"Us]

Dec 15, 2020 9:07:57 GMT -5 professorhoya said:

It’s nice that we have an entire week to savor sundays victory

Could you imagine if we had lost...the board would have unraveled over the course of a week. 🙃

[vv83]

For the first St. John's game - Rasheem Dunn was still early in his return from missing games due to a concussion . He has not played much this season. I'm not sure where he fits in their rotation this season when he is healthy, but he was the St. John's player that concerned me the most last season. If he is further along in getting back into game shape/performance - he'll make St. John's a significantly tougher team to beat. It seems that Alexander may have taken away a big chunk of Dunn's minutes, but with Anderson's style of play - I would think there is ample opportunity to play them together if Anderson thinks Dunn is one of his top 5 players. If Dunn is no longer one of their top 5 players - then they have definitely improved their personnel from last season. I thought he was their second best player last year, after only Figueroa.

For us - I'm both curious and terrified to see Jalen Harris playing against the St. John's pressure. There will probably be some exciting transition plays. But I fear that there will be a lot more exasperating mistakes when he gets sped up by the St. John's pressure, and as a result makes some of the bad decisions he has been making throughout the early part of the season.

[bostonfan]

Dec 15, 2020 8:05:48 GMT -5 calhoya said:

I really am looking forward to this game as a means of measuring Ewing's development as a coach and the players' development as a unit. Sunday revealed a lot about this team's potential which hopefully leads to further adjustments. How will D. Harris and Carey react to the increased attention they will surely get now that they were so pivotal in the first game. How will Ewing get Pickett and Blair back into the flow of the offense against the St. John's defense which focused on both. What will be done to limit the offensive rebounds for St. Johns? Will Berger and Sibley be part of the regular rotation now? What role for J Harris and Clark, assuming they are healthy? What role for Tim I or do the Hoyas go small without Wahab? Recall that a different set of officials could easily have called more fouls on Wahab and that would have changed the flow of the game completely. How do we get Bile to harness his athleticism and play within the offense and defense (assuming there really is a defense)? How will the Hoyas guards handle the pressure defense of St. Johns which caused numerous careless TOs. With a longer bench/rotation, what combinations will Ewing have on the floor? Suddenly having both Pickett and Blair out of the game for short times does not seem quite the death blow for the offense as it did 4 days ago. Finally, will the Hoyas start to show any signs of being able to play competent defense against a very athletic, but poor shooting team?

I really do not expect much change from St. Johns as their style of play is what it is. However, there is opportunity here for the Hoyas to show that their upside this year is much higher than many thought, particularly if D. Harris, Carey and Berger continue to shoot well.

I don't see St Johns changing much in the second game. They play the way they play and just hope to were down the other team. If Jalen is healthy he can add another competent ball handler against the pressure which will help the Hoyas. I would like to see the staff work on not just getting the ball over half court against the pressure, but attacking the pressure and getting some easy hoops against that press.  In the first game Georgetown seemed happy just to break the pressure and then run their offense in the half court. I understand that you want to slow down St John's to some degree, but if you can make them pay for that full court pressure with some layups and dunks, that may also make them back off to some degree. Not sure the Hoyas should count on shooting such a good percentage from 3 as they did the other night. This is a very winnable game,  but they will definitely need to play well to get a win on the road.

[jwp91]

I would like to see Ewing have an answer for Moore.

[bicentennial]

I would like to see us pressing the pressers and attacking the press.

[guru]

Dec 15, 2020 9:12:12 GMT -5 Bigs"R"Us said:

Dec 15, 2020 9:07:57 GMT -5 professorhoya said:

It’s nice that we have an entire week to savor sundays victory

Could you imagine if we had lost...the board would have unraveled over the course of a week. 🙃

Is there anything left to unravel. We’ve reached the core of the golf ball here - long ago.

[RockawayHoya]

Big opportunity for the team to get above .500 in the conference. Get this one and maybe there is enough momentum to pick off one of the following 3 tourney teams. As we saw in the first game, this is a team that's not particularly proficient at shooting the 3 (29.9% for the year), nor are they really interested in doing so (only 13 attempts in game 1). Our team as a whole needs to focus on cutting down dribble penetration and force these guys to beat us outside of the paint.

First four games of the year, Q picked up 4 fouls in each and played 24 mpg. Last two games, he's averaged 2.5 fouls and 33 mpg. That's helped to reduce Timmy's minutes from 14.7 mpg over the first four games to 7 mpg over the last 2. That's a trend that needs to continue if we are to have success.

Staying on Q, the blocks were really nice but he's got to cut down on the overhelping. We cannot give up as many uncontested layups and dunks as we did on Sunday and expect to shoot the lights out from deep to compensate for it. Yes our guards get blown by a lot, but I'd still rather most of SJU's guards to pull up from 12-14 feet than to allow a rim runner to get a dish or putback. These guys are not Powell/Howard. Staying at home more should also help with the rebounding.

Not that we'll get an update until right before tip, but interesting to see if Clark's condition has improved. He provides Bile's rebounding without all of the wild turnovers and poor shot selection. I think you can make the case that Sibley isn't physically ready to contribute and hit the boards like Bile can (his one positive attribute), but Clark can. Bile at this point should be only playing the non-Pickett minutes at the 4. He's shooting 36% from 2, 27% from 3, 30% FT, and is averaging nearly 3 TOs per assist. Worse yet, he leads the team in usage rate by a wide margin (27.3%, with Blair 2nd at 22.9%). Just not a guy you want to be playing 6th-man type minutes.

Looking also for a bounce-back game from Pickett. After reassessing the first game, I think his failures on offense and achievements on defense in game 1 were both a bit overstated, but he can play a lot better on both ends and we'll need to see a much higher level of overall activity from him to complete the sweep.

[Deleted]

Dec 15, 2020 10:13:40 GMT -5 jwp91 said:

I would like to see Ewing have an answer for Moore.

I don't think there's too much you can do.

Moore's a good athlete but not that great an offensive player, so you just have to limit his transition & weak side opportunities.

Transition D & TOs have to be managed as a team, but Q needs to be a little bit more selective on the help defense. He can't try to block EVERYTHING.

You really can't switch assignments or bring in someone else to try to guard him (Bile? Wilson?) either. That's just cutting off your nose to spite your face... or robbing Peter to pay Paul? You know what I'm saying.

Moore probably won't have another game like that all season. Sort of a perfect storm there. Just have Q & Pickett (to the degree he can help from Champagnie) be more mindful on the defensive boards, and we should be OK.

I'm more concerned that Champagnie's gonna wake up and have a game. Not discounting JP's defense, but he's gonna be a lot more active this Sunday.

[HometownHoya]

Is St Johns playing in MSG or in their on-campus arena this year?

[blueandgray]

On campus.

[seaweed]

Dec 15, 2020 13:05:06 GMT -5 HometownHoya said:

Is St Johns playing in MSG or in their on-campus arena this year?

redstormsports.com/sports/2018/6/12/facilities-carnesecca-arena-html.aspx

[iowa80]

Dec 15, 2020 11:17:21 GMT -5 @nychoya94 said:

Dec 15, 2020 10:13:40 GMT -5 jwp91 said:

I would like to see Ewing have an answer for Moore.

I don't think there's too much you can do.

Moore's a good athlete but not that great an offensive player, so you just have to limit his transition & weak side opportunities.

Transition D & TOs have to be managed as a team, but Q needs to be a little bit more selective on the help defense. He can't try to block EVERYTHING.

You really can't switch assignments or bring in someone else to try to guard him (Bile? Wilson?) either. That's just cutting off your nose to spite your face... or robbing Peter to pay Paul? You know what I'm saying.

Moore probably won't have another game like that all season. Sort of a perfect storm there. Just have Q & Pickett (to the degree he can help from Champagnie) be more mindful on the defensive boards, and we should be OK.

I'm more concerned that Champagnie's gonna wake up and have a game. Not discounting JP's defense, but he's gonna be a lot more active this Sunday.

Champagnie did not shoot well, but had 12 boards in the last game.  The rebounding deficiencies hopefully will be mitigated this time around.  If not, it could be a long night since I'm not sure that we can count on the level of scoring we received on our home court.

[daveg023]

Dec 15, 2020 16:48:35 GMT -5 iowa80 said:

Dec 15, 2020 11:17:21 GMT -5 @nychoya94 said:

I don't think there's too much you can do.

Moore's a good athlete but not that great an offensive player, so you just have to limit his transition & weak side opportunities.

Transition D & TOs have to be managed as a team, but Q needs to be a little bit more selective on the help defense. He can't try to block EVERYTHING.

You really can't switch assignments or bring in someone else to try to guard him (Bile? Wilson?) either. That's just cutting off your nose to spite your face... or robbing Peter to pay Paul? You know what I'm saying.

Moore probably won't have another game like that all season. Sort of a perfect storm there. Just have Q & Pickett (to the degree he can help from Champagnie) be more mindful on the defensive boards, and we should be OK.

I'm more concerned that Champagnie's gonna wake up and have a game. Not discounting JP's defense, but he's gonna be a lot more active this Sunday.

Champagnie did not shoot well, but had 12 boards in the last game.  The rebounding deficiencies hopefully will be mitigated this time around.  If not, it could be a long night since I'm not sure that we can count on the level of scoring we received on our home court.

I’m a bit worried Q has / will become too block happy after this performance. It’s great if you get the ball but if you don’t the rebounding suffers. If he’s going to continue to play this way Pickett (and dare I say Bile?!) really needs to step up to eliminate the offensive rebounds chances for opposing teams. I’d trade a few swats for more secure defensive rebounding.

[prhoya]

Dec 15, 2020 14:50:36 GMT -5 seaweed said:

Dec 15, 2020 13:05:06 GMT -5 HometownHoya said:

Is St Johns playing in MSG or in their on-campus arena this year?

redstormsports.com/sports/2018/6/12/facilities-carnesecca-arena-html.aspx

I want a similar arena on our campus. I know the neighbors will scream and shout, but that arena looks like the perfect model to replace the inside of McD. I haven't looked for the actual dimensions, but it looks like the same size as McD. Tear down some walls and dig down ten feet, but keep the perimeter walls/façade. Yes, the neighbors will complain, but we can come up with a plan.

What are the main complaints of the neighbors? In summary, traffic, noise and parking in their neighborhood. It should be noted that last year, for example, we only played 18 home games (9 OOC and 9 conference games) from November to the first week in March, with a small break for Christmas. Is that really such a horrible number of games? It's not like it's year-round. I know that arenas can be used for other events, but any negotiations with neighbors would include a certain limit of activities, i.e. graduations yes, big concerts no. Any discussion with neighbors should emphasize: 1. the small number of games in a short, four-month period, with the rest of the year free of any basketball/sports activities that draw visitors there; 2. the last time an on-campus arena was discussed with the neighbors, Uber/Lyft/etc did not exist and how it could help; 3. by its nature, it would have fewer seats available, so less outside traffic; 4. set up a bus plan from Key Bridge that would take visitors from Key Bridge to McD through the M Street entrance; and 5. if the team improves to its former glory, students would buy a large chunk of seats. Just throwing ideas out there...