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Post by hoyainla on Jan 29, 2020 12:03:11 GMT -5
I refuse to believe that Butler team is much more talented than we are, a very frustrating and disappointing loss: • I had the matchups on defense wrong in my pregame comment. Ewing was determined to have Mosely guard Baldwin, which led to some tough matchups for Allen (McDermott) and McClung (Tucker). In the first half they mostly held their own, although McClung was responsible for two 3s. Pickett got in foul trouble guarding Nze and that led to a fatal coaching decision (to be discussed later) • The first half really wasn’t a spectacular offensive performance. It was the 12 Butler turnovers leading to transition buckets. And Butler was in crazy foul trouble in the first half. Almost every one of their starters had two fouls. The goaltending call at the end was a brutal miss but you can’t ignore the edge we had in the first half. Completely took Butler out of their game • And in reality, when we were up 12 at half it felt like it should’ve been more. The end of the 1st half got a little sloppy w fouls (some were makeup calls after Jordan worked the refs). Not to mention the bizarre delay of game tech, where Mosely’s flopping finally hurt us. I don’t like the call because I think Allen was pushed across the line but it only mattered because we had already been issued a delay of game warning for a Mosely flop • And here was the killer from Ewing…in an effort to keep Pickett on the floor and avoid foul trouble, he switched Pickett to McDermott and Allen took Nze to start the 2nd half. An unmitigated disaster. Baldwin got more aggressive and drove into the lane and EVERYONE collapsed multiple times, including Pickett. No understanding of your opponent and responsibilities. And these weren’t Saddiq Bey- contested- off the dribble 3s. These were target practice for their best shooter. Simply unacceptable. Easily the worst game of Pickett’s career, but where is the coaching / scouting / preparation? I actually thought Pickett would be a good matchup for McDermott due to his length, but he clearly lacks lateral mobility and basketball IQ. • On the offensive end, we bogged down running through Yurt7. He didn’t handle the double teams well and he missed bunnies. It really felt like we spent the first 5 minutes of the 2nd half standing around. No movement, cutting etc. • I’d have to go back but I think there was maybe one shot McClung took in the half court that I thought was an ok decision (including some of his makes). He is not growing in that regard and refuses to distribute. Blair, Allen, Mosely were playing fine, that’s not an excuse this time. • And for all of that…we’re tied at the end. Ewing actually made some good defensive adjustments in those last few minutes. The 2-3 zone possession equated to us playing drop coverage on a pick and roll and Baldwin settled for a mid range jumper that he missed. And we finally blitzed a ball screen and Baldwin turned it over. • And then the game is ultimately decided by our two best defenders (Mosely / Allen) failing to execute a switch. In their defense, it’s something we’ve rarely done. From my view it looks like Mosely calls it too late. Allen had already started fighting over the screen and had no chance to recover. The Mosely missed 3 gave me flashbacks to Darrell Owens vs. Florida. You have to take it because you’re so open. Just didn’t drop Great college coaches can either: (1) recruit,(2) develop players, or (3)win the Xs and Os battles (probably need two out of three tbh). At the end of the season we’re going to have to ask which of those things this staff is good at I stayed out of this thread last night because I thought it would be the first time all year people would be honest with themselves and point out the cold hard facts. When I do it as public enemy #1 on here it has a tendency to derail a thread as it gives people a chance to bash me and not the team. For the most part even the most positive the team does nothing wrong fans are starting to come around and the post quoted was great. This team has a player and a coaching problem. The defections made the chances of success very low but they have made people realize the problems that I think they would have otherwise not seen. One thing I do want to bring up is that the fatigue excuse still seems like one that people love to use as a reason for our problems. The lack of depth is certainly a problem but it's not because it causes fatigue. It's because we can't replace the players having bad games with other options. I will say though that Pat showed last night even if there are better options he's going to keep trying to make his plan work. The only player that fatigue could be used as an excuse for is Jagan as he is playing 38 minutes in BE play. He is the one that consistently plays the best every night and is by far our best defender which is where fatigue would set in. He held Baldwin to 2 point I believe in the 1st half last night which is all world and then was pulled off him which was part of the reason they got going. As for the other starters they are playing 30-33 minutes in BE which hardly causes fatigue. Those are BE starter minutes. The Nova guys play more. For the shot selection crew we took more mid range shots than Rim or 3 pointer last night. We are taking the least 3 pointers in the BE. I am going to put my Ewing stuff in the Ewing thread but that is not a formula for modern day winning basketball.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Jan 29, 2020 12:14:23 GMT -5
I think part of the problem is that teams realize our weaknesses and limitations. We don't have guys who can get all the way to the rim consistently, so our guards are pressured up top more, and when they start to go inside, the defense knows they won't take it all the way, so there is no need for off ball defenders to help. They can stay on their men and prevent open 3's. Unfortunately Pickett, Moseley, Blair and Allen really need to be wide open to have time to set up and then shoot the 3. Inability to drive to the basket + inability to catch and shoot 3's leaves only the less desirable mid-range 2.
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Post by joey0403p on Jan 29, 2020 12:19:50 GMT -5
We aren’t ready to abandon Pat - that seems rash. I think he is good recruiter, but those things take time.
Losing the guys this year....puts us back for sure, but let’s see who comes in and how we go next year and macs senior season.
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Post by DanMcQ on Jan 29, 2020 12:32:34 GMT -5
You said exactly the same thing about JTIII. Apparently not a good position for a Georgetown coach to be in. Speaking as a moderator, you (and others) could stand to tone down your rhetoric about some of the players. Sure they played poorly and that’s fair game but we need to remember these are student athletes trying hard to represent their university. The thing that I find most shocking is that's the second consecutive game where I thought our opponent looked atrocious, and not due to anything GU was doing defensively. Don't let the record fool you; Butler is a very marginal basketball team which overachieved early and is in the process of plummeting back to reality. I suspect they'll finish in the middle BE lump with Provy and Creighton. Xavier is equally flawed and tried desperately to give us last week's game. My biggest issues with Pat are that he's obviously very stubborn. His man and hedge madness has cost GU at least 1.5 games this season. And offensively, he's not putting the team in position to be successful. Playing through Yurt is positively prehistoric. He has a very polished baseline game, but that is simply not an effective way to play (AT THE 5) in 2020. Now, if he moved Yurt to the 4 and put Wahab at the 5, that would be a slow lineup that would find it difficult to defend the perimeter, but at least you wouldn't be essentially yielding the true paint to opposing teams on both ends...which is exactly what we do now with only Yurt in the game. He's not remotely a defensive center, and his offensive move takes him completely out of OR position, and OR is one of the few reasons to play through the middle in the 3-point era. I thought we might get some of this last night, but Ndze split the two on the only defensive possession they were both in and scored, effectively kiboshing the experiment the same way the two OR and putback seemed to kill our only brief dalliance with zone defense a week or so ago. The fact is that good coaches are CONSTANTLY tweaking, changing, probing and experimenting. Pat isn't. He's surviving. That isn't good enough. It just isn't. Who wouldn't you trade coaches with in the Big East? That's a ridiculous state of affairs. We are Georgetown! As for players, either they are not being told who or how to cover or they are choosing not to do it. Either way, the lack of hoops IQ is more offensive than any words. 4x. He did it 4x. I went back and watched it again. 4x. Dr. Q and I should go to therapy together. I was there and honestly I was just as frustrated as you about most of the same things. Personally, I am not ready to say blow it all up and am rarely inclined to do so in the middle of a season. As bad as a lot of that was last night, if we make enough shots we win the game and the discussion is on how to make things better not showing the entire Athletic Department the door this morning (yes, I can do hyperbole too - insert internet winkie emoji here).
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Post by rhw485 on Jan 29, 2020 12:45:33 GMT -5
I think part of the problem is that teams realize our weaknesses and limitations. We don't have guys who can get all the way to the rim consistently, so our guards are pressured up top more, and when they start to go inside, the defense knows they won't take it all the way, so there is no need for off ball defenders to help. They can stay on their men and prevent open 3's. Unfortunately Pickett, Moseley, Blair and Allen really need to be wide open to have time to set up and then shoot the 3. Inability to drive to the basket + inability to catch and shoot 3's leaves only the less desirable mid-range 2. I agree with this, and it's why there's ultimately so much pressure on Mac and Yurt7 to create for others. Mac should be able to drive to the hoop and force help, as opposed to settling for midrange. Although it's easier to guard him if his jumper isn't a threat. The play we ran with Blair for Mosely to get a corner 3 at the end resonates with me. We've run that play for Mac a bunch of times, and he settles for an elbow jumper. Sometimes he makes it, but Mosely is almost always open in the corner. Blair made the correct pass and we got the correct result. It's coaching AND execution...which the coach has to instill and hold people accountable for if they don't. That is where the depth is the problem as others have stated
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Post by professorhoya on Jan 29, 2020 13:09:31 GMT -5
I think part of the problem is that teams realize our weaknesses and limitations. We don't have guys who can get all the way to the rim consistently, so our guards are pressured up top more, and when they start to go inside, the defense knows they won't take it all the way, so there is no need for off ball defenders to help. They can stay on their men and prevent open 3's. Unfortunately Pickett, Moseley, Blair and Allen really need to be wide open to have time to set up and then shoot the 3. Inability to drive to the basket + inability to catch and shoot 3's leaves only the less desirable mid-range 2. There’s enough footage and data on us now where people see what are weaknesses are. Basically exploit the mismatch at the big wing guard/small forward position and keep spamming that. Notice 6-5 to 6-8 guys keep having. Career nights against us. During our initial run there was no footage on the team except the Akinjo crap show team that was no longer applicable.
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Post by professorhoya on Jan 29, 2020 13:11:25 GMT -5
I think part of the problem is that teams realize our weaknesses and limitations. We don't have guys who can get all the way to the rim consistently, so our guards are pressured up top more, and when they start to go inside, the defense knows they won't take it all the way, so there is no need for off ball defenders to help. They can stay on their men and prevent open 3's. Unfortunately Pickett, Moseley, Blair and Allen really need to be wide open to have time to set up and then shoot the 3. Inability to drive to the basket + inability to catch and shoot 3's leaves only the less desirable mid-range 2. I agree with this, and it's why there's ultimately so much pressure on Mac and Yurt7 to create for others. Mac should be able to drive to the hoop and force help, as opposed to settling for midrange. Although it's easier to guard him if his jumper isn't a threat. The play we ran with Blair for Mosely to get a corner 3 at the end resonates with me. We've run that play for Mac a bunch of times, and he settles for an elbow jumper. Sometimes he makes it, but Mosely is almost always open in the corner. Blair made the correct pass and we got the correct result. It's coaching AND execution...which the coach has to instill and hold people accountable for if they don't. That is where the depth is the problem as others have stated Pack Line prevents dribble penetration by clogging the middle of the paint with defenders and also stops superior big men by also clogging middle with billions of defenders. You saw Pack Line Butler do it effectively in the second half last night.
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Post by mdtd on Jan 29, 2020 13:25:03 GMT -5
I saw some Mac stuff here so here's my take on that:
I don't think he played well by any means last night. Just Pickett and Omer might've been worse. People are expecting him to be more of a distributor and that's just not his role on this team. This team needs someone who can score the ball. They need someone aggressive. Much like Blair in his freshman season, this team needs someone who's aggressive and will shoot the ball. It's just he takes some forced shots that he doesn't need to. If he took the same number of shots, just without the forced contested jumpers, I'd be 100% fine with what he's doing. Like the Oklahoma State game, he was open just about every shot and used his freedom well. But today, he forced too many from mid-range with 18sec left on the shot clock. I understand wanting to shoot quicker to force Butler to speed up the game, but that's not going to happen if you miss. You have to be smarter and value the ball more against these teams. But, in general, I'm completely fine with him shooting aggressively as this team with Allen and Mosely in, two more passive players, need someone being aggressive. But if we still had someone like Akinjo, who could create for himself, I would like to see him facilitate more.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Jan 29, 2020 13:42:16 GMT -5
I actually thought Blair had a good feel last night on his three ball. We never seem to work plays for him.
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Jan 29, 2020 15:20:32 GMT -5
Blair looked great last night!
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Jan 29, 2020 15:45:59 GMT -5
This has been a very frustrating season for me, as I am sure for everybody on this board (ok not everybody because we have some interlopers that check in occasionally). But I am getting old and the chances for another NCAA bid seems to be dwindling this year. It has been a roller coaster ride. Pre-season was looking good with a deep team, then the dropouts for one reason or another, then a couple of good games with a minimal team, then our current situation that includes two losses at home, which we could have (should have) won. So I am shaking my head and think we are back in the '60, where hope eternal collapsed into mediocrity.
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Post by daveg023 on Jan 29, 2020 19:21:48 GMT -5
It’s funny how delicate the fan psyche is. If goaltending is called and McDermott’s shot rims out and we win aren’t we all riding high into the Garden coming off a Q1 win? Surely we’d be “In” in most brackets this morning. And the calls for Ewing’s head might even be replaced with praise for keeping this team together and in the hunt despite all the turmoil. Sure we’d still have questions about our defensive strategy, Yurt’s toughness, Mac’s shot selection, etc., but we’d have a much more optimistic perspective coming off a win against the 16th ranked teams.
That’s why I don’t think it’s not as bad as it seems after nights like last night. That being said, at some point we have to win these games otherwise you risk lowering expectations and accepting losses. There’s a fine line between overreacting to an outcome based on a few bounces and holistically viewing the health of the program.
I think most reactions (my own included) fall into the camp of overreacting based on the result, with the presumption nothing will get better the last 10 games. Could we go 6-4? Yes. But we could also go 2-8. So I guess until we actually do either all we can do is watch and assess after the fact. Over a longer sample size the lucky bounces even out and your record is what it should be.
The problem is in the dead time between games, we have to entertain our frustrations somehow. These are long seasons and while our tournament hopes are on life support, until we run out of opportunities, it really isn’t over. That’s the mentality the players and coaches have to have, but arguably it’s much tougher for a fan to think that way too.
Personally, I think the NCAA hope is over and something like 5-13 is in the cards. Furthermore, I have real questions on if our current leadership is capable to see us through this. But I really don’t think it’s fair to act that like it’s a forgone conclusion until we see them fail the rest of the way. So like everyone else I’ll keep watching, hoping for the next but expecting the worse. And almost assuredly equally overeacting to a single win or loss.
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Post by RockawayHoya on Jan 29, 2020 19:33:09 GMT -5
As far as Ewing, I really don't think he should be on the hot seat after this season. It's hard not to get frustrated with his in game coaching but at some point it's on the players to execute. The collapse in the second half was on the guys that guarded McDermott last night. You can see on TV, Ewing getting mad that they kept leaving him open in the corner, at some point its on the players to listen and adjust. Does anybody really think that nobody on the staff told the team to stop leaving McDermott open? It's common sense, if us fans can see it then they can see it. We are asking for zero margin of error from guys that would be bench/limited players on any other BE team, including our own before the transfers. Let's see what Ewing can do with a full rotation of quality players. These next few recruits are crucial because we need wings that can defend and play smart. Ewing can get mad all he wants about guys leaving McDermott, but it's his defensive system that is causing those open looks. If you don't use your big to be the last line of defense, then of course help needs to come after our guard gets beat by initial penetration. The help is now the last line of defense instead of the big that should have been there to begin with. Unfortunately for us, whatever the staff is teaching continuously has the wrong man helping. It's a pick your poison type deal; unfortunately if their guard beats the hedge and his defender, someone is going to have to come help. But we can't continue to keep helping off the other team's best shooter; the help has to come from elsewhere. Dare a 3rd/4th perimeter option to beat you and live with the consequences. In the first half, Mcdermott was the primary screener up top, which allowed us to hedge with a guard if we chose (we did, presumably this was part of Ewing's Plan A). Our guard was much more easily able to hedge and recover than Pickett, which limited his open looks. Yurt/Q were able to stay at home, which really helped us stay at least even on the glass and alter some shots. In the second half, Jordan switched to Smits and Golden being the primary screeners, which forced our big up top into the hedge that they're not good at and freed up McDermott to be the open corner shooter after the guard beat the hedge and forced help. Plenty of teams have already burned us this way; Ewing hasn't figured out a plan B yet to consistently counter this strategy and it has cost us all season. The occasional zones and blitzes up top were a nice added wrinkle. But it's still too little too late as far as adjustments go.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Jan 29, 2020 19:50:54 GMT -5
Because of our depleted roster, we may struggle closing games out due to exhaustion. May be why McClung and Yurtseven struggled to shoot. They lost their legs.
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Post by HoyaDr on Jan 29, 2020 20:25:19 GMT -5
As far as Ewing, I really don't think he should be on the hot seat after this season. It's hard not to get frustrated with his in game coaching but at some point it's on the players to execute. The collapse in the second half was on the guys that guarded McDermott last night. You can see on TV, Ewing getting mad that they kept leaving him open in the corner, at some point its on the players to listen and adjust. Does anybody really think that nobody on the staff told the team to stop leaving McDermott open? It's common sense, if us fans can see it then they can see it. We are asking for zero margin of error from guys that would be bench/limited players on any other BE team, including our own before the transfers. Let's see what Ewing can do with a full rotation of quality players. These next few recruits are crucial because we need wings that can defend and play smart. Ewing can get mad all he wants about guys leaving McDermott, but it's his defensive system that is causing those open looks. If you don't use your big to be the last line of defense, then of course help needs to come after our guard gets beat by initial penetration. The help is now the last line of defense instead of the big that should have been there to begin with. Unfortunately for us, whatever the staff is teaching continuously has the wrong man helping. It's a pick your poison type deal; unfortunately if their guard beats the hedge and his defender, someone is going to have to come help. But we can't continue to keep helping off the other team's best shooter; the help has to come from elsewhere. Dare a 3rd/4th perimeter option to beat you and live with the consequences. In the first half, Mcdermott was the primary screener up top, which allowed us to hedge with a guard if we chose (we did, presumably this was part of Ewing's Plan A). Our guard was much more easily able to hedge and recover than Pickett, which limited his open looks. Yurt/Q were able to stay at home, which really helped us stay at least even on the glass and alter some shots. In the second half, Jordan switched to Smits and Golden being the primary screeners, which forced our big up top into the hedge that they're not good at and freed up McDermott to be the open corner shooter after the guard beat the hedge and forced help. Plenty of teams have already burned us this way; Ewing hasn't figured out a plan B yet to consistently counter this strategy and it has cost us all season. The occasional zones and blitzes up top were a nice added wrinkle. But it's still too little too late as far as adjustments go. I agree his schemes dont put our team in the best position but on those plays where McDermott was open in the corner, our defender was in no man's land. If we are coaching that in practice then Ewing should go tonight but I highly doubt that is a part of his scheme. We just don't have the players to run what he wants. I'm not sure if we have the players to run any defensive scheme successfully at this point. That's why it's so hard to judge right now. I know Ewing is ultimately responsible for the personnel we have but let's not crucify him until if he has a full season of decent recruits that he wants. This season was supposed to be that season but we are now in a temporary reset, at least I hope it's temporary.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Jan 29, 2020 20:34:58 GMT -5
Part of the issue is that Yurtseven and Pickett are not physical players and lack lateral quickness. Not great for a front court pairing. That’s why we get taken off the dribble and out rebounded by smaller athletic forwards. We really miss LeBlanc and Walker.
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Post by EtomicB on Jan 29, 2020 21:31:00 GMT -5
Because of our depleted roster, we may struggle closing games out due to exhaustion. May be why McClung and Yurtseven struggled to shoot. They lost their legs. Powell plays 34.1 mpg for 1st place Seton Hall in big east games Gillespie plays 35.6 mpg & Bey 35.9 for 2nd place Nova Alexander plays 36.4 mpg, Ballock 38.3 & Zegarowski 35.5 for 3rd place Creighton Mac plays 33.3 & Omer 29.4, If they're fatigued at the end of games then we really have to question the conditioning & nutrition program for Gtown...
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Post by RockawayHoya on Jan 29, 2020 21:45:42 GMT -5
Because of our depleted roster, we may struggle closing games out due to exhaustion. May be why McClung and Yurtseven struggled to shoot. They lost their legs. Powell plays 34.1 mpg for 1st place Seton Hall in big est games Gillespie plays 35.6 mpg & Bey 35.9 for 2nd place Nova Alexander plays 36.4 mpg, Ballock 38.3 & Zegarowski 35.5 for 3rd place Creighton Mac plays 33.3 & Omer 29.4, If they're fatigued at the end of games then we really have to question the conditioning & nutrition program for Gtown... Absolutely have to question it and have been for some time even stretching back to JT3. It's been a long time since we were a physically imposing team. Not in terms of length or height, but knock people backwards and occasionally put people on their ass. I see GU hoops Instagram touting all the hard work they put in over the summer and players/reporters saying Ewing works them much harder in practice than the previous staff. Means crap if you continue to get bullied in the paint and the gas tank is on empty more often than not in the second half. If you're tired on 3 days rest now in January how are you going to play 3 days in a row in NYC? I also don't buy the exhaustion excuse because we haven't played a first half worth a damn on the road yet in conference play. No one should be tired that early in the game.
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Post by EtomicB on Jan 29, 2020 22:10:38 GMT -5
Powell plays 34.1 mpg for 1st place Seton Hall in big est games Gillespie plays 35.6 mpg & Bey 35.9 for 2nd place Nova Alexander plays 36.4 mpg, Ballock 38.3 & Zegarowski 35.5 for 3rd place Creighton Mac plays 33.3 & Omer 29.4, If they're fatigued at the end of games then we really have to question the conditioning & nutrition program for Gtown... Absolutely have to question it and have been for some time even stretching back to JT3. It's been a long time since we were a physically imposing team. Not in terms of length or height, but knock people backwards and occasionally put people on their ass. I see GU hoops Instagram touting all the hard work they put in over the summer and players/reporters saying Ewing works them much harder in practice than the previous staff. Means crap if you continue to get bullied in the paint and the gas tank is on empty more often than not in the second half. If you're tired on 3 days rest now in January how are you going to play 3 days in a row in NYC?I also don't buy the exhaustion excuse because we haven't played a first half worth a damn on the road yet in conference play. No one should be tired that early in the game. Exactly right, working harder doesn't mean they're working smarter. Usually, this is an offseason rant for me so I apologize in advance... Here's what the best program in the conference does: www.stack.com/a/villanovas-meticulous-approach-to-nutrition-and-recovery-has-the-wildcats-in-the-elite-8"We take everybody's body fat and weight once a week, and we have goals for them to reach by their diets," he said. "We eat well, serving a certain type of meal before a game. So it's a meal and then a snack with multiple essentials nutrients, and it's important to hydrate. Hydration gets tested before every practice and before every game. And they can't practice unless they have a certain pH level. Our strength and conditioning coach sets certain hours, like 10 hours of sleep. We put them to bed at a certain time, like 10 o'clock, and make sure they have breakfast in the morning.
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Post by gujake on Jan 29, 2020 22:32:30 GMT -5
In the first half, Mcdermott was the primary screener up top, which allowed us to hedge with a guard if we chose (we did, presumably this was part of Ewing's Plan A). Our guard was much more easily able to hedge and recover than Pickett, which limited his open looks. Yurt/Q were able to stay at home, which really helped us stay at least even on the glass and alter some shots. In the second half, Jordan switched to Smits and Golden being the primary screeners, which forced our big up top into the hedge that they're not good at and freed up McDermott to be the open corner shooter after the guard beat the hedge and forced help. Plenty of teams have already burned us this way; Ewing hasn't figured out a plan B yet to consistently counter this strategy and it has cost us all season. Yeah, this was absolutely huge last night. Honestly, I have no idea what Butler was doing in the first half. The strategy against Georgetown is really, really simple. Put Yurt in a pick and roll, take advantage of him in the hard hedge, then look for open shooters as the defense breaks down and overhelps.
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