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Post by rhw485 on Jan 29, 2020 8:15:25 GMT -5
I refuse to believe that Butler team is much more talented than we are, a very frustrating and disappointing loss:
• I had the matchups on defense wrong in my pregame comment. Ewing was determined to have Mosely guard Baldwin, which led to some tough matchups for Allen (McDermott) and McClung (Tucker). In the first half they mostly held their own, although McClung was responsible for two 3s. Pickett got in foul trouble guarding Nze and that led to a fatal coaching decision (to be discussed later)
• The first half really wasn’t a spectacular offensive performance. It was the 12 Butler turnovers leading to transition buckets. And Butler was in crazy foul trouble in the first half. Almost every one of their starters had two fouls. The goaltending call at the end was a brutal miss but you can’t ignore the edge we had in the first half. Completely took Butler out of their game
• And in reality, when we were up 12 at half it felt like it should’ve been more. The end of the 1st half got a little sloppy w fouls (some were makeup calls after Jordan worked the refs). Not to mention the bizarre delay of game tech, where Mosely’s flopping finally hurt us. I don’t like the call because I think Allen was pushed across the line but it only mattered because we had already been issued a delay of game warning for a Mosely flop
• And here was the killer from Ewing…in an effort to keep Pickett on the floor and avoid foul trouble, he switched Pickett to McDermott and Allen took Nze to start the 2nd half. An unmitigated disaster. Baldwin got more aggressive and drove into the lane and EVERYONE collapsed multiple times, including Pickett. No understanding of your opponent and responsibilities. And these weren’t Saddiq Bey- contested- off the dribble 3s. These were target practice for their best shooter. Simply unacceptable. Easily the worst game of Pickett’s career, but where is the coaching / scouting / preparation? I actually thought Pickett would be a good matchup for McDermott due to his length, but he clearly lacks lateral mobility and basketball IQ.
• On the offensive end, we bogged down running through Yurt7. He didn’t handle the double teams well and he missed bunnies. It really felt like we spent the first 5 minutes of the 2nd half standing around. No movement, cutting etc.
• I’d have to go back but I think there was maybe one shot McClung took in the half court that I thought was an ok decision (including some of his makes). He is not growing in that regard and refuses to distribute. Blair, Allen, Mosely were playing fine, that’s not an excuse this time.
• And for all of that…we’re tied at the end. Ewing actually made some good defensive adjustments in those last few minutes. The 2-3 zone possession equated to us playing drop coverage on a pick and roll and Baldwin settled for a mid range jumper that he missed. And we finally blitzed a ball screen and Baldwin turned it over.
• And then the game is ultimately decided by our two best defenders (Mosely / Allen) failing to execute a switch. In their defense, it’s something we’ve rarely done. From my view it looks like Mosely calls it too late. Allen had already started fighting over the screen and had no chance to recover. The Mosely missed 3 gave me flashbacks to Darrell Owens vs. Florida. You have to take it because you’re so open. Just didn’t drop
Great college coaches can either: (1) recruit,(2) develop players, or (3)win the Xs and Os battles (probably need two out of three tbh). At the end of the season we’re going to have to ask which of those things this staff is good at
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Post by HOYAPLAYA on Jan 29, 2020 8:28:01 GMT -5
Yurt7 and Mac missing several early shots to open the second half didn’t help. Should’ve tried driving more or drawing fouls, no ball movement. They easily made up for that and got on a roll. The 2nd half one player's inability to do the basics in a short period swung everything. A badly blown goaltending call followed by a ticky tack foul (if there even was a foul) really killed the chances. Neither one of them got on any sort of roll in the 2nd half. Mac missed his last 8 shots of the half to go 1 for 9 and Yurt couldn't get a thing to drop as I believe he was 1 for 6. Blair and Mosely essentially shot us back into the game when we went down 7 as they scored 11 of the 13 points to get us within 2 before Yurt tied it up at the free throw line.
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Post by gatormcclusky on Jan 29, 2020 8:35:27 GMT -5
Yurt7 and Mac missing several early shots to open the second half didn’t help. Should’ve tried driving more or drawing fouls, no ball movement. I was disappointed in both of them from last night. Omer just doesn't use his size well or play physically enough for what Ewing is trying to do offensively - he's not a guy you can just force the ball into over and over and have him manufacture points. Mac has completely lost his shooting touch from the beginning of the year - he's forcing things way too much right now and you can visibly see his frustration with his shooting slump affecting his overall game in a bad way. in Omer and Mac's defense, though, opponents are focusing on them a lot more and sending extra help when they have the ball, and no one is stepping up to take advantage of the defensive holes that creates. Allen is erratic, Pickett is more erratic, and Jagan doesn't seem to want to shoot the ball - there were a lot of times last night where he got the ball with plenty of space to drive or shoot and just wouldn't take advantage. to make this post-centric offensive philosophy we're using work it needs a more dominant big man that we don't have. Omer doesn't appear to be comfortable as the focal point of the offense and he's not good at passing out of doubles which is a critical skill for this style, so it's a square peg in a round hole yet we continue going to it over and over. This team has always looked best when they're running and moving the ball offensively and everyone is getting their looks in the flow of the offense, including Omer - the approach of "dump it in to the big guy, spread the floor and stand around to see what he can create" just stagnates the ball movement and sets a bad overall tone for our players that seems to be hard for them to snap out of when other sets are being run. the coaching staff obviously wants our weakside defenders always standing with at least one foot in the paint and focused on helping on drives, but that leaves a lot of space to cover to close out on shooters with our small lineups (edit: and also creates the overhelping stuff that Baldwin mentioned in the tweet that was posted). I personally would try throwing in some more zone, it hasn't been bad in limited use and would allow the defense to stay focused on the interior help but maybe prevent some of the giant holes we've had with bad rotations in man.
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Post by HoyaDr on Jan 29, 2020 8:55:24 GMT -5
We win this game and probably other games if we have another wing/forward to replace Pickett when he is struggling. Also if the refs were competent in those last few minutes. What a disappointing loss.
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Post by bostonfan on Jan 29, 2020 9:07:08 GMT -5
Tough loss last night in a very winnable game. The issue with this group now, post transfers, is that there is so little margin for error. Everyone in that 7 man rotation needs to play well. That really starts with Yurt and Mac bering efficient scoring and last night they both had tough shooting games. Jamorko also had a really tough game last night on both ends of the floor. He doesn't need to score double figures for the team to win but he does need to contribute to some degree and he needs to play much better defense. He has the length and athleticism to shut down a guy like McDermott and he just made some bad defensive decisions at the start of the second half which really gave Butler some momentum.
Before the transfers the team had some options to pick up some scoring if a few of the guys had an off night, but that is not the case now. It is a lot to put on Mac and Yurt, but they need to be really good every night for the Hoyas to win.
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Post by smokeyjack on Jan 29, 2020 9:12:30 GMT -5
They easily made up for that and got on a roll. The 2nd half one player's inability to do the basics in a short period swung everything. A badly blown goaltending call followed by a ticky tack foul (if there even was a foul) really killed the chances. Neither one of them got on any sort of roll in the 2nd half. Mac missed his last 8 shots of the half to go 1 for 9 and Yurt couldn't get a thing to drop as I believe he was 1 for 6. Blair and Mosely essentially shot us back into the game when we went down 7 as they scored 11 of the 13 points to get us within 2 before Yurt tied it up at the free throw line. They were both terribly disappointing. Mac is back to hunting, but at least you get the sense he’s really working, and he was the most victimized by last night’s horrific officiating. Those guys should really be put on probation for butchering a game that thoroughly. But Yurt is just soft. Totally agree with person who said he needs to go to make way for Q. If Pat isn’t going to play Omer at the 4 and go with two bigs, then we are literally better off without him. Now I know why my NCState buddies always eye-rolled when discussing Yurt’s double-double prowess. He is a nightmare player, because he can’t defend anyone, can’t score inside against anyone other than MEAC-level centers, is the worst finisher for his height I believe I have ever seen and has built his entire game around the lowest percentage shot in basketball - the pivot fade-away 2. Pickett is a tragedy. His handles have always been dreadful, but now he’s 50/50 to even draw iron from triple and last night he played the dumbest defensive game in GU history. At least Muresan would have tried to stay on McDermott. No coincidence that we built the lead with Pickett glued to the bench. And finally, there’s Pat...the author of this madness. The lack of player awareness, stubborn refusal to play more zone, hedge less with glacial (Omer) or green (Q) bigs, experiment with multiple bigs more, obsession with lemons like Morko, lemon strategies like running the offense through the least efficient shot in basketball and refusal to recognize and ride the hot hand (last night Blair) have now left too many in-game red flags to overlook. As someone said above, maybe there’s a very good reason he never got an NBA gig. His recruiting and player development have been D to F level (see Morko and 6 defections), and I don’t think anyone could say with a straight face that he’s an in-game guru. I like Pat as a person, but it’s reset time. Every day he remains in the seat is a day we’re getting farther away, and not closer, to our answer. And Reed absolutely needs to go with him. It’s time for a fresh perspective on the Hilltop. That narrative is the only hope we have this spring.
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Post by gatormcclusky on Jan 29, 2020 9:16:16 GMT -5
I am surprised our poor clock management at the end of the game isn’t getting more attention. We were down 67-64, the shot clock was 38 and Allen fouls? This is unacceptable. 8 seconds is more than enough to get a shot up, plus Butler isn’t going to wait to 8 seconds to shoot. If it’s 67-64, and you get a stop, you get a chance to shoot a 3 to tie. If it’s 67-64 and you foul, unless you get massively lucky and the other guy misses both, then it’s 69-64 or 68-64 and you then need to score twice, still rushing a shot, to catch up. I realize this is only one small aspect of the game, but it falls on coaching, and Ewing failed. Unless Allen went rogue. I disagree. You foul to extend the game and hope they miss free throws. If you allow Butler to take a shot even with 10-15 seconds left on the clock and they make it, or draw the foul, game is all but over. Sometimes even with the best of defense, good offense wins out. If you foul while in the 1-and-1, the foul shooter has to make both shots to score 2 points, but even if they do, you try to get a quick 3 and foul again on the next possession down 2 with the shooter again needing to make both free throws. If they miss one, quick 2 or 3, rinse, repeat. agreed, although in that situation none of the options are good, it's just which one you think is less bad. I think fouling was the right call last night because our defense is awful. If we were a better defensive team, I'd have been fine with putting all our eggs in the basket of getting a stop and having a chance to tie with 9-10 seconds left.
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Post by DanMcQ on Jan 29, 2020 9:24:53 GMT -5
I like Pat as a person, but it’s reset time. You said exactly the same thing about JTIII. Apparently not a good position for a Georgetown coach to be in. Speaking as a moderator, you (and others) could stand to tone down your rhetoric about some of the players. Sure they played poorly and that’s fair game but we need to remember these are student athletes trying hard to represent their university.
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Post by centercourt400s on Jan 29, 2020 9:26:42 GMT -5
No margin for error.
Terrible shooting in the 2nd half.
No forward to sub for Pickett when he is in meltdown mode.
Timely mistakes by normally reliable guards.
Poor officiating with crucial calls missed in the 2nd half.
The Hoyas are not going to beat a top 20 team when that stuff happens. Even so they were in it until the end based on sheer guts. Wasn't enough.
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Post by joey0403p on Jan 29, 2020 9:34:47 GMT -5
I don’t think enough is being made about the refs
Before the last 3 mins where they botched. They were AWEFUL all game. They would call a foul on the entry pass to yurt, but not when he went up and got hacked. Actually Mac probably got hacked the most on drives. They also called some tic tac still early on butler and on us, then NONE of it late.
They were terrible all the way around
Candidly - I wish college would go to 7 fouls or something. I don’t want the best players limited for dumb fouls
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Post by guru on Jan 29, 2020 9:37:23 GMT -5
I don’t think enough is being made about the refs Before the last 3 mins where they botched. They were AWEFUL all game. They would call a foul on the entry pass to yurt, but not when he went up and got hacked. Actually Mac probably got hacked the most on drives. They also called some tic tac still early on butler and on us, then NONE of it late. They were terrible all the way around Candidly - I wish college would go to 7 fouls or something. I don’t want the best players limited for dumb fouls This is true. The officiating certainly did us no favors last night, and we are definitely not a good enough team to overcome stuff like that.
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Post by centercourt400s on Jan 29, 2020 9:41:02 GMT -5
I don’t think enough is being made about the refs Before the last 3 mins where they botched. They were AWEFUL all game. They would call a foul on the entry pass to yurt, but not when he went up and got hacked. Actually Mac probably got hacked the most on drives. They also called some tic tac still early on butler and on us, then NONE of it late. They were terrible all the way around Candidly - I wish college would go to 7 fouls or something. I don’t want the best players limited for dumb fouls I don't normally make too much of officiating mistakes but last night I realized it was a terrible officiating night when in the 2nd half the crowd (and Ewing) had to stop Butler free throws from being taken because the foul was actually on the floor and not a shooting foul. I mean really, the crowd has to step in to correct an obvious call? They were just going to give Butler two free throws la la la la la, until we started screaming and pointing to the floor.
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Post by NCHoya on Jan 29, 2020 9:45:08 GMT -5
• I’d have to go back but I think there was maybe one shot McClung took in the half court that I thought was an ok decision (including some of his makes). He is not growing in that regard and refuses to distribute. Blair, Allen, Mosely were playing fine, that’s not an excuse this time. My biggest frustration with this season right now is the above. For all the crap the board and I gave Akinjo for his selfish play and everything that is said about Omer (which I believe is starting to cross a line); McClung somehow escapes the critics. I understand the kid gives 100% every game, and that is refreshing, but the terrible shot selection is killing this team. And it usually happens when the other team is making a move and Mac feels like he needs to get it all back at once, which just makes it even worse. I can live with the missed open 3s, and I encourage and appreciate any drive to the basket, but the off-balanced, well-defended mid-range jumpers have to stop. I honestly think after 4 years of being that guy in HS, Mac cannot help himself and has built a really bad habit of forcing shots that have a 10% chance of going in. With the season is basically over, perhaps Ewing just needs to pull Mac after questionable shots. Hopefully this will help Mac recognize bad shots and break the habit for his next 2 seasons. Something has to be done because he is throwing possessions away too often.
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Post by daveg023 on Jan 29, 2020 10:06:01 GMT -5
• I’d have to go back but I think there was maybe one shot McClung took in the half court that I thought was an ok decision (including some of his makes). He is not growing in that regard and refuses to distribute. Blair, Allen, Mosely were playing fine, that’s not an excuse this time. My biggest frustration with this season right now is the above. For all the crap the board and I gave Akinjo for his selfish play and everything that is said about Omer (which I believe is starting to cross a line); McClung somehow escapes the critics. I understand the kid gives 100% every game, and that is refreshing, but the terrible shot selection is killing this team. And it usually happens when the other team is making a move and Mac feels like he needs to get it all back at once, which just makes it even worse. I can live with the missed open 3s, and I encourage and appreciate any drive to the basket, but the off-balanced, well-defended mid-range jumpers have to stop. I honestly think after 4 years of being that guy in HS, Mac cannot help himself and has built a really bad habit of forcing shots that have a 10% chance of going in. With the season is basically over, perhaps Ewing just needs to pull Mac after questionable shots. Hopefully this will help Mac recognize bad shots and break the habit for his next 2 seasons. Something has to be done because he is throwing possessions away too often. We take more difficult 2s than most any other team I’ve watched. Mac, Yurt, and Pickett are all guilty of this. To me this is coaching. If you watch an NBA game these shots are almost completely out of the game. Given Pat’s NBA experience it’s really surprising/troubling that he allows us to continue to do this. While some things are not as easily fixed (roster depth, lack of shooting, poor PnR defense), to me this could clearly be fixed by coaching making it clear these are the most inefficient shots you can take and excessive use of them should plant guys on the bench. Maybe the lack of fear anyone can/will be benched plays into this? Idk. But it is not winning basketball and yet we continue to play this way, with supposedly an NBA mind at the helm.
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Post by drquigley on Jan 29, 2020 10:10:41 GMT -5
I like Pat as a person, but it’s reset time. You said exactly the same thing about JTIII. Apparently not a good position for a Georgetown coach to be in. Speaking as a moderator, you (and others) could stand to tone down your rhetoric about some of the players. Sure they played poorly and that’s fair game but we need to remember these are student athletes trying hard to represent their university. I hear you Dan but it is hard to not come down on Jamorko after you just threw a shoe through the third TV you've had to buy since Jamorko joined the Hoyas. It's not the lack of athletic ability that is causing so many of us to criticize Pickett but basically the inevitable bonehead play he seems to make every game. Mid way through his third year as a varsity Hoya he still seems unable to grasp some fundamentals of the game. Sadly he has become the poster child for what's wrong with not just the team but the entire basketball program. I think it fair to say that an easy way to tell how good we will be next year is whether Pickett is still a starter. If he is then it could be another lost season.
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Post by smokeyjack on Jan 29, 2020 10:23:38 GMT -5
I like Pat as a person, but it’s reset time. You said exactly the same thing about JTIII. Apparently not a good position for a Georgetown coach to be in. Speaking as a moderator, you (and others) could stand to tone down your rhetoric about some of the players. Sure they played poorly and that’s fair game but we need to remember these are student athletes trying hard to represent their university. The thing that I find most shocking is that's the second consecutive game where I thought our opponent looked atrocious, and not due to anything GU was doing defensively. Don't let the record fool you; Butler is a very marginal basketball team which overachieved early and is in the process of plummeting back to reality. I suspect they'll finish in the middle BE lump with Provy and Creighton. Xavier is equally flawed and tried desperately to give us last week's game. My biggest issues with Pat are that he's obviously very stubborn. His man and hedge madness has cost GU at least 1.5 games this season. And offensively, he's not putting the team in position to be successful. Playing through Yurt is positively prehistoric. He has a very polished baseline game, but that is simply not an effective way to play (AT THE 5) in 2020. Now, if he moved Yurt to the 4 and put Wahab at the 5, that would be a slow lineup that would find it difficult to defend the perimeter, but at least you wouldn't be essentially yielding the true paint to opposing teams on both ends...which is exactly what we do now with only Yurt in the game. He's not remotely a defensive center, and his offensive move takes him completely out of OR position, and OR is one of the few reasons to play through the middle in the 3-point era. I thought we might get some of this last night, but Ndze split the two on the only defensive possession they were both in and scored, effectively kiboshing the experiment the same way the two OR and putback seemed to kill our only brief dalliance with zone defense a week or so ago. The fact is that good coaches are CONSTANTLY tweaking, changing, probing and experimenting. Pat isn't. He's surviving. That isn't good enough. It just isn't. Who wouldn't you trade coaches with in the Big East? That's a ridiculous state of affairs. We are Georgetown! As for players, either they are not being told who or how to cover or they are choosing not to do it. Either way, the lack of hoops IQ is more offensive than any words. 4x. He did it 4x. I went back and watched it again. 4x. Dr. Q and I should go to therapy together.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jan 29, 2020 10:31:35 GMT -5
On Pickett, I will preface my comments by saying that by all appearances, he seems to be a really good kid. He was one of Ewing's first recruits, and he seems to play hard. I like him. But, the fact is he just has never gotten it done on the Court. At the beginning of this season, he actually showed improvement - better three point shooting, more efficient, etc. But, since we started Big East play, the kid has struggled.
Pickett's conference-only efficiency is 83.3, way worse than last year (89.5). He's actually not shooting threes terribly (35.7%), but for whatever reason, he's trying a lot of two point shots, and he is really poor at making them (17-53, 32.1%) in conference games. I realize much of this (or at least part) is because he's playing a ton of minutes, and there's no real alternative to playing him, so he probably has higher usage than he should really have.
I think it's fair to observe that Pickett has been performing badly, but this is one area where I don't think we can do much. Bench him? Then who is going to play, Muresan? If we still had Alexander or Gardner or LeBlanc on the roster, I would advocate that Pickett should play less, but we don't have them. For better or worse, he's our guy, and likely will be through next year.
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Post by NCHoya on Jan 29, 2020 10:43:20 GMT -5
My biggest frustration with this season right now is the above. For all the crap the board and I gave Akinjo for his selfish play and everything that is said about Omer (which I believe is starting to cross a line); McClung somehow escapes the critics. I understand the kid gives 100% every game, and that is refreshing, but the terrible shot selection is killing this team. And it usually happens when the other team is making a move and Mac feels like he needs to get it all back at once, which just makes it even worse. I can live with the missed open 3s, and I encourage and appreciate any drive to the basket, but the off-balanced, well-defended mid-range jumpers have to stop. I honestly think after 4 years of being that guy in HS, Mac cannot help himself and has built a really bad habit of forcing shots that have a 10% chance of going in. With the season is basically over, perhaps Ewing just needs to pull Mac after questionable shots. Hopefully this will help Mac recognize bad shots and break the habit for his next 2 seasons. Something has to be done because he is throwing possessions away too often. We take more difficult 2s than most any other team I’ve watched. Mac, Yurt, and Pickett are all guilty of this. To me this is coaching. If you watch an NBA game these shots are almost completely out of the game. Given Pat’s NBA experience it’s really surprising/troubling that he allows us to continue to do this. While some things are not as easily fixed (roster depth, lack of shooting, poor PnR defense), to me this could clearly be fixed by coaching making it clear these are the most inefficient shots you can take and excessive use of them should plant guys on the bench. Maybe the lack of fear anyone can/will be benched plays into this? Idk. But it is not winning basketball and yet we continue to play this way, with supposedly an NBA mind at the helm. Yep, 2003 was the first one to really hit this point home, and it cannot be understated anymore. Yurt is probably allowed to do it because he definitely practices the move and Ewing made a nice living with the fade away baseline J, but it is clear that it is not a good shot and should never occur early in the shot clock. The well-defended mid-range jumpers have to stop and while I believe Mac has become the worst offender, you are correct that many on the team believe these shots are OK. And let's be clear, this can be and should have been 100% corrected with coaching. It starts in practice. And as for the limited roster flexibility to properly sit guys who do not listen, if we are going to lose, let's lose getting better for next season. Q and Tim get more minutes, Mac learns what a good shot looks like and Blair learns to be better all around.
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Post by HoyaDr on Jan 29, 2020 10:58:40 GMT -5
Pickett's mistakes are glaring right now because we have no other legitimate option at his position. The team would not be losing these games if we had one or two of Galen, Leblanc, or Gardner. When Pickett is pressured to score when Omer and Mac are off, he falls apart on offense and defense. He is just overthinking (or not thinking at all) and not playing with instincts. It's like he's just going through the motions and having a panic attack at the same time. He is much more successful when Omer and Mac are hitting shots and he can facilitate on defense and on the boards. He let's the game come to him on offense and is way less jittery or anxious with the ball. He is just in a bad situation this year which is really unfortunate because we saw flashes of improvement earlier in the year.
As far as Ewing, I really don't think he should be on the hot seat after this season. It's hard not to get frustrated with his in game coaching but at some point it's on the players to execute. The collapse in the second half was on the guys that guarded McDermott last night. You can see on TV, Ewing getting mad that they kept leaving him open in the corner, at some point its on the players to listen and adjust. Does anybody really think that nobody on the staff told the team to stop leaving McDermott open? It's common sense, if us fans can see it then they can see it. We are asking for zero margin of error from guys that would be bench/limited players on any other BE team, including our own before the transfers. Let's see what Ewing can do with a full rotation of quality players. These next few recruits are crucial because we need wings that can defend and play smart.
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Post by hoya9797 on Jan 29, 2020 11:05:55 GMT -5
Isn't part of coaching getting players to listen and adjust? If the coach can't effectively communicate with his team, he's failing as a coach.
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