Georgetown @ Seton Hall 1/3/20 Discussion

[jwp91]

Don't everyone be the first one to jump in to discuss this next game.

I just hope that 1) Mac is back and 2) we didn't lose the mojo that we established in December.

[blueandgray]

I think most people had this one circled as an “L” going into the season. A win would be a nice surprise.

[drquigley]

Really? Hey I want to see us win this, and all our games as much as anyone. But let's get real. This season is over. You cannot lose the 4 of your best scholarship players (not including Antwan Walker) and seriously think you can compete in this league, at this level. Of our remaining players only two, Mac and Yurt, would start on other BE teams with Mosley and Allen probably sixth men off the bench. And please stop pointing fingers at guys like Pickett and Blair or coach Ewing. As has been pointed out elsewhere on this Board those two are what they are, mediocre players recruited when PE was desperate to fill his first roster. And you can't judge PE's coaching prowess with the talent that he is now stuck with. This summer I was more excited than I've been in ten years about our upcoming season. Think about how good we would be this year if we had the guys we've lost not just recently but through previous transfers and decommits. Do you really think we would have lost to Providence if we had Josh and Walker instead of Pickett and Muresan? And while we have some athletic big men coming up none have shown they are ready for prime time. Besides, if you haven't noticed, it's not a big man's game anymore. Give me an Antwan Walker, Terrell Williams and another Mac McClung.

Okay, if I haven't vented enough how about a look ahead? Unless PE has an amazing recruiting year (and especially unless he gets Williams to reconsider) we have a truly awful team coming back next year. Can we really start Blair, Pickett and Wahad? We saw what that looks like last night. And speaking of recruits, who would want to join this sinking ship? Play home games before a few hundred students, a few thousand loyal alums (like most of us) and, for big games almost as many fans of our opponents? Plus be expected to be actual student athletes and focus as much on classwork as you do on polishing your NBA resume? And oh yeah, next year we get to compete against UCONN a team whose players face none of these concerns.

Folks we just got blown out by the worst team in the BE. In a game where our opponent committed more turnovers than we did. Hopefully we squeeze out a few wins against the other BE bottom feeders but I will gladly buy everyone on this Board a beer if we win more BE games than we lose - or even just break even. I'm sure some of you will save this post and throw it back in my face next month after we've beaten Seton Hall, Nova and Butler. Please do. But if we don't please tell me how we beat opponents loaded with NBA draftees, coached by men with legit NCAA tourney experience, and supported by students and alumni who can fill up on campus arenas. In short, how do we remove ourselves from square one?

[thedragon]

Jan 1, 2020 12:51:22 GMT -5 drquigley said:

Really? Hey I want to see us win this, and all our games as much as anyone. But let's get real. This season is over. You cannot lose the 4 of your best scholarship players (not including Antwan Walker) and seriously think you can compete in this league, at this level. Of our remaining players only two, Mac and Yurt, would start on other BE teams with Mosley and Allen probably sixth men off the bench. And please stop pointing fingers at guys like Pickett and Blair or coach Ewing. As has been pointed out elsewhere on this Board those two are what they are, mediocre players recruited when PE was desperate to fill his first roster. And you can't judge PE's coaching prowess with the talent that he is now stuck with. This summer I was more excited than I've been in ten years about our upcoming season. Think about how good we would be this year if we had the guys we've lost not just recently but through previous transfers and decommits. Do you really think we would have lost to Providence if we had Josh and Walker instead of Pickett and Muresan? And while we have some athletic big men coming up none have shown they are ready for prime time. Besides, if you haven't noticed, it's not a big man's game anymore. Give me an Antwan Walker, Terrell Williams and another Mac McClung.

Okay, if I haven't vented enough how about a look ahead? Unless PE has an amazing recruiting year (and especially unless he gets Williams to reconsider) we have a truly awful team coming back next year. Can we really start Blair, Pickett and Wahad? We saw what that looks like last night. And speaking of recruits, who would want to join this sinking ship? Play home games before a few hundred students, a few thousand loyal alums (like most of us) and, for big games almost as many fans of our opponents? Plus be expected to be actual student athletes and focus as much on classwork as you do on polishing your NBA resume? And oh yeah, next year we get to compete against UCONN a team whose players face none of these concerns.

Folks we just got blown out by the worst team in the BE. In a game where our opponent committed more turnovers than we did. Hopefully we squeeze out a few wins against the other BE bottom feeders but I will gladly buy everyone on this Board a beer if we win more BE games than we lose - or even just break even. I'm sure some of you will save this post and throw it back in my face next month after we've beaten Seton Hall, Nova and Butler. Please do. But if we don't please tell me how we beat opponents loaded with NBA draftees, coached by men with legit NCAA tourney experience, and supported by students and alumni who can fill up on campus arenas. In short, how do we remove ourselves from square one?

I dont know what the rest of the season holds. Or what our team will look like come next season. But posts like these are why I typically avoid Hoyatalk after losses.

Weve won 6 of 7. And are 1 game into the BE schedule without Mac playing. Can we save the doom and gloom until were at least not being picked as a tourney team by all the bracketologists? 🙄 Ridiculous.

[drquigley]

Jan 1, 2020 12:56:13 GMT -5 thedragon said:

Jan 1, 2020 12:51:22 GMT -5 drquigley said:

Really? Hey I want to see us win this, and all our games as much as anyone. But let's get real. This season is over. You cannot lose the 4 of your best scholarship players (not including Antwan Walker) and seriously think you can compete in this league, at this level. Of our remaining players only two, Mac and Yurt, would start on other BE teams with Mosley and Allen probably sixth men off the bench. And please stop pointing fingers at guys like Pickett and Blair or coach Ewing. As has been pointed out elsewhere on this Board those two are what they are, mediocre players recruited when PE was desperate to fill his first roster. And you can't judge PE's coaching prowess with the talent that he is now stuck with. This summer I was more excited than I've been in ten years about our upcoming season. Think about how good we would be this year if we had the guys we've lost not just recently but through previous transfers and decommits. Do you really think we would have lost to Providence if we had Josh and Walker instead of Pickett and Muresan? And while we have some athletic big men coming up none have shown they are ready for prime time. Besides, if you haven't noticed, it's not a big man's game anymore. Give me an Antwan Walker, Terrell Williams and another Mac McClung.

Okay, if I haven't vented enough how about a look ahead? Unless PE has an amazing recruiting year (and especially unless he gets Williams to reconsider) we have a truly awful team coming back next year. Can we really start Blair, Pickett and Wahad? We saw what that looks like last night. And speaking of recruits, who would want to join this sinking ship? Play home games before a few hundred students, a few thousand loyal alums (like most of us) and, for big games almost as many fans of our opponents? Plus be expected to be actual student athletes and focus as much on classwork as you do on polishing your NBA resume? And oh yeah, next year we get to compete against UCONN a team whose players face none of these concerns.

Folks we just got blown out by the worst team in the BE. In a game where our opponent committed more turnovers than we did. Hopefully we squeeze out a few wins against the other BE bottom feeders but I will gladly buy everyone on this Board a beer if we win more BE games than we lose - or even just break even. I'm sure some of you will save this post and throw it back in my face next month after we've beaten Seton Hall, Nova and Butler. Please do. But if we don't please tell me how we beat opponents loaded with NBA draftees, coached by men with legit NCAA tourney experience, and supported by students and alumni who can fill up on campus arenas. In short, how do we remove ourselves from square one?

I dont know what the rest of the season holds. Or what our team will look like come next season. But posts like these are why I typically avoid Hoyatalk after losses.

Weve won 6 of 7. And are 1 game into the BE schedule without Mac playing. Can we save the doom and gloom until were at least not being picked as a tourney team by all the bracketologists? 🙄 Ridiculous.

I'm really getting tired of this "we've won 6 of our last 7". Who have we beaten? Not one of those teams is a legit NCAA tourney team. Like I said, I hope I'm wrong but getting Mac back only makes us marginally better. Have you seen Nova, Xavier, Butler, Seton Hall, Marquette play?

[professorhoya]

Jan 1, 2020 13:04:41 GMT -5 drquigley said:

Jan 1, 2020 12:56:13 GMT -5 thedragon said:

I dont know what the rest of the season holds. Or what our team will look like come next season. But posts like these are why I typically avoid Hoyatalk after losses.

Weve won 6 of 7. And are 1 game into the BE schedule without Mac playing. Can we save the doom and gloom until were at least not being picked as a tourney team by all the bracketologists? 🙄 Ridiculous.

I'm really getting tired of this "we've won 6 of our last 7". Who have we beaten? Not one of those teams is a legit NCAA tourney team. Like I said, I hope I'm wrong but getting Mac back only makes us marginally better. Have you seen Nova, Xavier, Butler, Seton Hall, Marquette play?

Just Stop with your rediculous takes.
All you do is trash the staff and the program over and over again.

[blueandgray]

Jan 1, 2020 13:04:41 GMT -5 drquigley said:

Jan 1, 2020 12:56:13 GMT -5 thedragon said:

I dont know what the rest of the season holds. Or what our team will look like come next season. But posts like these are why I typically avoid Hoyatalk after losses.

Weve won 6 of 7. And are 1 game into the BE schedule without Mac playing. Can we save the doom and gloom until were at least not being picked as a tourney team by all the bracketologists? 🙄 Ridiculous.

I'm really getting tired of this "we've won 6 of our last 7". Who have we beaten? Not one of those teams is a legit NCAA tourney team. Like I said, I hope I'm wrong but getting Mac back only makes us marginally better. Have you seen Nova, Xavier, Butler, Seton Hall, Marquette play?

May I ask you a personal question? If after we lost the 4 guys to transfer and if in fact the 6 game win streak was meaningless, why do you still spend time reading and responding to posts on hoyatalk? If the Hoyas have no hope, isn’t this just a colosal waste of your time?

[bicentennial]

Look starting the Big East season without Mac is a big deal. I think we all knew that our offense would likely stall if Mac could not play. I don't think any of us expected the Hoyas to not score a point for 13 minutes. Obviously if we come out flat at the start of every game like we did yesterday and most of the first 6 games before the Akinjo/Leblanc left, we are unlikely to be able to recover against anyone in the Big East. If Mac had scored his 18 points and we turned the ball over less without players trying to do more than they are comfortable doing, then I suspect a happier outcome! As was said weeks ago, we need to avoid serious injury to allow this team to succeed. Even minor injuries to key players will derail this season. Hopefully Mac is back next game!

[mdtd]

Jan 1, 2020 13:04:41 GMT -5 drquigley said:

Jan 1, 2020 12:56:13 GMT -5 thedragon said:

I dont know what the rest of the season holds. Or what our team will look like come next season. But posts like these are why I typically avoid Hoyatalk after losses.

Weve won 6 of 7. And are 1 game into the BE schedule without Mac playing. Can we save the doom and gloom until were at least not being picked as a tourney team by all the bracketologists? 🙄 Ridiculous.

I'm really getting tired of this "we've won 6 of our last 7". Who have we beaten? Not one of those teams is a legit NCAA tourney team. Like I said, I hope I'm wrong but getting Mac back only makes us marginally better. Have you seen Nova, Xavier, Butler, Seton Hall, Marquette play?

Oklahoma State who beat both Syracuse and Ole Miss, and won at Houston, with a very talented roster, and avoiding bad losses, says hi. As a tournament team, they are one. Also, SMU on the road is a solid win. It will be. And nothing is bad about beating Syracuse. It's one game. Just at least be patient after one bad game. There isn't a single team in the country that doesn't have a bad game. Beating two good opponents on the road is not an easy feat. The Hoyas did it and now go on the road to face quite possibly the best player in the country. It's very fair to say they lose this game. IT's fair to say if Mac misses the game it's by 20+ points. But at least wait until after the game to go ballistic and super pessimistic. 

[mdtd]

Have to come out strong and play hard. Nothing is going to be easy. Allen and Mosely both need to take Powell at times. You can't guard him the same way every single time. Also, Seton Hall has bigs who block shots very well. Yurt is going to have to be very strong and also will have to make the right pass. They will hedge down and look for blocks, Yurt will have to play strong and move the ball well. Look at how they guarded Maryland when guards got in the lane, the bigs came in and blocked more shots than the Twerps made. If Yurt makes the right play and anticipates the bigs coming over in help, this game will be much easier. Guards will have to make the pass and shooters will have to be aggressive. You get one open look and if shooters are hesitant and don't take it, bad shots will come. Beat them in transition, contain Powell and be aggressive. Those are the three keys. Won't be easy whatsoever.

[drquigley]

Jan 1, 2020 13:43:28 GMT -5 blueandgray said:

Jan 1, 2020 13:04:41 GMT -5 drquigley said:

I'm really getting tired of this "we've won 6 of our last 7". Who have we beaten? Not one of those teams is a legit NCAA tourney team. Like I said, I hope I'm wrong but getting Mac back only makes us marginally better. Have you seen Nova, Xavier, Butler, Seton Hall, Marquette play?

May I ask you a personal question? If after we lost the 4 guys to transfer and if in fact the 6 game win streak was meaningless, why do you still spend time reading and responding to posts on hoyatalk? If the Hoyas have no hope, isn’t this just a colosal waste of your time?

Okay, let's get personal. I live 100 miles north of D.C. but for the past 40 years have been going to almost every Hoya weekend home game. Why? Because I loved Hoya basketball since I walked on campus in 1964 and have been a devoted fan probably since before you were born. In fact in 1965 I was Assistant Manager and had the joy of watching the Hoyas transform from a tremendously underachieving team under Tommy Okeefe to a truly horrible team under Jack McGee. Anyone here on this Board ever sit in the "Animal Section" of McDonough and watch us get killed by Syracuse, Maryland and occasionally by GW, Navy and Manhattan? In short I've paid my dues and believe I know enough about college basketball in general and Hoya basketball in particular to give an honest evaluation of the program on this Board. Do I wish the Hoyas will win 9 BE games and get an NCAA bid? Of course I do. But do I honestly think they can do that with this depleted roster and just shut up and/or post that with just more effort, intensity, and teamwork Muresan, Blair, and Pickett can compete with the quality of players on the roster of most of our BE opponents? No way. That's not what a fan does. A fan calls it like he sees it and when he sees things looking pretty bleak he isn't afraid to say so. I'm sorry if my comments upset you. I'll be coming down for the rest of our weekend home games and be cheering like you for the Hoyas to win. But if they don't I'm not going to kid myself that with a few tweaks here and there and a little better performance from players who are nowhere near as talented as their opponents that we might have won. BTW, I've felt for years that none of the players on those 60's teams would ever crack a post JT2 era lineup. But right now I'd trade Blair, Muresan and Pickett for Jim Brown, Steve Sullivan and Jim Barry.

[Bigs"R"Us]

What’s upsetting is that we finally had the pieces to compete at the highest level and it just unraveled. It will take time to get the roster pieces in place again. We also lose Yurtseven and Allen at the end of the season. It’s like Pat’s back to season one again.

[drquigley]

Jan 1, 2020 15:51:51 GMT -5 Bigs"R"Us said:

What’s upsetting is that we finally had the pieces to compete at the highest level and it just unraveled. It will take time to get the roster pieces in place again. We also lose Yurtseven and Allen at the end of the season. It’s like Pat’s back to season one again.

Exactly. We also lose Mosley. As I said in my previous post, we really are back to square one.

[SDHoya]

Let’s just forfeit this one before tip to save the embarrassment. Ewing can’t coach and the team is a disaster. Lost season. Just drop us down to DII already so we might be able to complete.🙄

[DanMcQ]

Here’s a suggestion: let’s discuss the upcoming Seton Hall game. There are plenty of other threads here to caterwaul about players that aren’t here, the upcoming Hoyamageddon, etc.

There are certain key players (McClung is clearly one as the PC game shows) without whom a Hoya win on a Big East opponent’s home court will be extremely difficult. PC denied Yurtseven any good looks for most of the first half, effectively taking away a second.

Optimally McClung playing will give the Hoyas a chance to win at SHU. Absent that, a far better effort on defense and smart shots after ball movement with getting Yurtseven the ball in scoring spots will still give the Hoyas a chance.

[daveg023]

Focusing on this game, any idea why it’s being played on a Friday night? Don’t remember too many conference games on Friday’s. Is it for TV? Most of the FS1 games have historically been Sat or Sun.

[Bigs"R"Us]

9pm is late.

[SirSaxa]

GU @ Seton Hall, Friday night @ 9PM in Newark, NJ.
I will be there.
That is all

[daveg023]

When the schedule was announced (and we had a full roster) my expectation was a 1-3 start even if we were playing well. Let’s let these 6 or so games play out and if we are 0-6 or 1-5 then we can press the panic button.

These seasons are long and in my opinion best viewed when looking holistically at multiple games/weeks and not single days/games. It certainly was not a promising game last night, but last year we lost to DePaul in similar fashion before winning at Marquette (then lost to Seton Hall at MSG in similar fashion...but I digress).

I don’t expect us to beat Seton Hall or Nova, and SJ is a 50/50 game, but could we win any one of them? Certainly. If we go 1-3 would that be totally outside of realistic expectations? Certainly not.

Bottom line is I will hold back on broad, sweeping statements about the team and the season until we actually lose (or hopefully win) the games ahead of us. If the Texas/Duke and Ok State/SMU games taught me anything it’s that as soon as you are expecting one thing, you truly don’t know how these things will play out. Am I concerned? Yes a little. But I was concerned before those games and proven wrong too.

Let’s let the season breathe and enjoy the journey. There will be plenty of time to bury the program later this year if we are in fact 3-15 come March.

[jwp91]

Jan 1, 2020 16:40:12 GMT -5 SirSaxa said:

GU @ Seton Hall, Friday night @ 9PM in Newark, NJ.
I will be there.
That is all

SirSaxa has spoken.