MassHoya
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Post by MassHoya on Jan 1, 2020 20:14:40 GMT -5
As long as we don't wear those godawful teal uniforms, we have a shot. Does anyone know the Hoyas' record wearing them?
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Post by DanMcQ on Jan 1, 2020 20:23:20 GMT -5
As long as we don't wear those godawful teal uniforms, we have a shot. Does anyone know the Hoyas' record wearing them? DFW noted in the game thread that the Hoyas are 2-5 in the last 7 road games that they’ve been worn.
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Bigs"R"Us
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Jan 1, 2020 21:43:16 GMT -5
Are we undefeated in navy this season?
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MassHoya
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Post by MassHoya on Jan 2, 2020 2:01:43 GMT -5
As long as we don't wear those godawful teal uniforms, we have a shot. Does anyone know the Hoyas' record wearing them? DFW noted in the game thread that the Hoyas are 2-5 in the last 7 road games that they’ve been worn. Thanks. Q.E.D.
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Post by blueandgray on Jan 2, 2020 2:10:53 GMT -5
May I ask you a personal question? If after we lost the 4 guys to transfer and if in fact the 6 game win streak was meaningless, why do you still spend time reading and responding to posts on hoyatalk? If the Hoyas have no hope, isn’t this just a colosal waste of your time? Okay, let's get personal. I live 100 miles north of D.C. but for the past 40 years have been going to almost every Hoya weekend home game. Why? Because I loved Hoya basketball since I walked on campus in 1964 and have been a devoted fan probably since before you were born. In fact in 1965 I was Assistant Manager and had the joy of watching the Hoyas transform from a tremendously underachieving team under Tommy Okeefe to a truly horrible team under Jack McGee. Anyone here on this Board ever sit in the "Animal Section" of McDonough and watch us get killed by Syracuse, Maryland and occasionally by GW, Navy and Manhattan? In short I've paid my dues and believe I know enough about college basketball in general and Hoya basketball in particular to give an honest evaluation of the program on this Board. Do I wish the Hoyas will win 9 BE games and get an NCAA bid? Of course I do. But do I honestly think they can do that with this depleted roster and just shut up and/or post that with just more effort, intensity, and teamwork Muresan, Blair, and Pickett can compete with the quality of players on the roster of most of our BE opponents? No way. That's not what a fan does. A fan calls it like he sees it and when he sees things looking pretty bleak he isn't afraid to say so. I'm sorry if my comments upset you. I'll be coming down for the rest of our weekend home games and be cheering like you for the Hoyas to win. But if they don't I'm not going to kid myself that with a few tweaks here and there and a little better performance from players who are nowhere near as talented as their opponents that we might have won. BTW, I've felt for years that none of the players on those 60's teams would ever crack a post JT2 era lineup. But right now I'd trade Blair, Muresan and Pickett for Jim Brown, Steve Sullivan and Jim Barry. Thanks for the color. You are clearly qualified to speak on the Hoyas and it’s safe to say that you know more about the Hoyas than most on this board ever will. That said, we are all disappointed in Hoya basketball....especially over the last 10 years. I can promise you....you are not alone in that. That being said, if you can’t get a little excited over a 6 game win streak where we beat teams handily in that time...then what can you get excited about? You mention that we only have 2 Big East caliber starters...what you fail to mention is that those two started could very well be 2 BE all-first team guys (at a minimum 2nd team). When you consider that, and some of the surrounding pieces around them....we have a very solid core. Yes, we have no bench to speak of and maybe that will be what does us in....but until we are mathematically out of range of winning 9 games in conference....I’m still in.
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Post by smokeyjack on Jan 2, 2020 8:17:34 GMT -5
I'm a default to pessimism guy for sure, but I think this is a deeply flawed team with Mac and an awful one without him. With Mac back immediately and no further injuries, I think we have a slim chance of going 9-9 in BE. My bigger issue is that I think there's no way we don't take a significant step back next season, and in year 4 that's really not acceptable. Not advocating for Pat's ouster at all, just don't like trajectory of program or recruiting. The defections can't be allowed to set us back 2/3 years; he has to make whatever changes are necessary to recruit over this patch, and it doesn't look like that's happening.
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Post by rhw485 on Jan 2, 2020 9:06:09 GMT -5
Trying to keep this focused on the game itself...Seton Hall is one of the worst matchups for the Hoyas in that they have multiple big men to throw at Yurt7. Seton Hall is a very good defensive team pretty much across the board. They block a ton of shots, force turnovers, and limit teams to bad shooting percentages. I remember Ewing called their defense a bit of a "junk" defense after the BE tourney game. I view it as creative, it's not going to be straight man, there's some matchup zone mixed in there that really takes teams out of their rhythm. There will be some pressing / trapping as well. Big game for Allen to show leadership and correctly diagnose and keep us organized.
It's obviously the Powell show on offense, even more so with Mamukelashvili out. Can think of two defensive approaches here:
1. Let Powell get his but don't help off anyone else 2. Given Powell is the only threat, do everything in your power to make someone / anyone else beat you
Ewing has not really shown opponent-specific defensive plans, I imagine we're going to see Mosely chase Powell around a bunch of screens and hope he doesn't catch fire. I'm not even sure that's the worst approach, you're probably better off without the rest of the team engaged but given the pace we try to play at I feel like the over/under for Powell is 27. We need to keep Powell off the line, he throws his body around and kicks his legs out. Will take discipline on that end of the court.
I'm not sure my bar here is even a win, but rather a competitive game where we show heart. Fingers crossed a veteran team responds.
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Post by joey0403p on Jan 2, 2020 10:18:19 GMT -5
After last game I just want to be in this one....
With Mac I think we have shot, but Seaton Hall is tough for sure
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Post by NCHoya on Jan 2, 2020 10:38:03 GMT -5
Kind of a perfect storm for an 0-2 start. Mac being out killed our chances against a PC team we could have beaten, and this game was a tough match-up before any defections. Regardless if Mac is back, I would like to see the team execute a plan from the start. Yurt needs to show he can compete against size in this game. While he will be challenged when on offense, Yurt should be able to find success on defense and has the ability to get those bigs in foul trouble. We need Powell to have an inefficient game. If Mac is back I would say we have a chance, if not, this looks like a huge challenge.
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Post by sleepyjackson21 on Jan 2, 2020 12:54:42 GMT -5
There are no gimmes in the Big East. None. That works for Seton Hall too. They have no gimmes.
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mdtd
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Post by mdtd on Jan 2, 2020 13:49:25 GMT -5
Trying to keep this focused on the game itself...Seton Hall is one of the worst matchups for the Hoyas in that they have multiple big men to throw at Yurt7. Seton Hall is a very good defensive team pretty much across the board. They block a ton of shots, force turnovers, and limit teams to bad shooting percentages. I remember Ewing called their defense a bit of a "junk" defense after the BE tourney game. I view it as creative, it's not going to be straight man, there's some matchup zone mixed in there that really takes teams out of their rhythm. There will be some pressing / trapping as well. Big game for Allen to show leadership and correctly diagnose and keep us organized. It's obviously the Powell show on offense, even more so with Mamukelashvili out. Can think of two defensive approaches here: 1. Let Powell get his but don't help off anyone else 2. Given Powell is the only threat, do everything in your power to make someone / anyone else beat you Ewing has not really shown opponent-specific defensive plans, I imagine we're going to see Mosely chase Powell around a bunch of screens and hope he doesn't catch fire. I'm not even sure that's the worst approach, you're probably better off without the rest of the team engaged but given the pace we try to play at I feel like the over/under for Powell is 27. We need to keep Powell off the line, he throws his body around and kicks his legs out. Will take discipline on that end of the court. I'm not sure my bar here is even a win, but rather a competitive game where we show heart. Fingers crossed a veteran team responds. 100% agree. Couldn't put it much better myself. I think you take what I will call the Roy Williams strategy with that meaning you stop everybody else and let the star go crazy. That Jawun Evans vs UNC game is one I will never forget, and I think UNC won by 30. Their offense at times get too focused on Powell and other players don't get too involved. That's how DePaul was in the game. If Mac doesn't play, it probably won't be close. Mac is necessary and the only real scoring advantage the team has this game. If the Hoyas are going to win, someone else will have to step up. Yurt may get 14 and 10, but he should be neutralized. He won't get what he needs every play and won't have a real advantage. If he can play pretty well and Mac gets going, there's a chance. If Mac is out, Blair and Pickett will need to get going. Or one of them will need to get REALLY hot. It's not likely, but there is a chance. Also, get out on Powell once the logo ends. He will pull from anywhere closer. Once he crosses the logo, he is in range. Give him Mosely and Allen. If you want to rotate off of someone like McKnight, that's fine, but don't let everyone else get going. I still like the "let him" score strategy.
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Post by drquigley on Jan 2, 2020 14:08:40 GMT -5
I'm a default to pessimism guy for sure, but I think this is a deeply flawed team with Mac and an awful one without him. With Mac back immediately and no further injuries, I think we have a slim chance of going 9-9 in BE. My bigger issue is that I think there's no way we don't take a significant step back next season, and in year 4 that's really not acceptable. Not advocating for Pat's ouster at all, just don't like trajectory of program or recruiting. The defections can't be allowed to set us back 2/3 years; he has to make whatever changes are necessary to recruit over this patch, and it doesn't look like that's happening. Although I've never been called it on the Board I am usually optimistic and really thought Williams would change his mind and recommit. I agree without some great recruits we are in for a long rebuild. But I can't fault Ewing. Unless there is something about how he recruits, i.e. can't identify knuckleheads, or just rubs quality players the wrong way, you can't blame him for the four transfers this year and the one last year.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Jan 2, 2020 15:16:31 GMT -5
You now have 6 transfers and a decommit. All really good players, except Sodom.
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Post by drquigley on Jan 2, 2020 15:27:29 GMT -5
You now have 6 transfers and a decommit. All really good players, except Sodom. I wonder what the feeling is on campus. Surely students must have spoken to the transferees and discussed with their fellow students what these guys are saying. Anyone on this Board ever get feedback from kids on campus? The Hoya or Casual Hoya ever written about this?
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mdtd
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Post by mdtd on Jan 2, 2020 15:43:00 GMT -5
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Post by FromTheBeginning on Jan 2, 2020 15:46:09 GMT -5
It's very clear the team had settled into a comfortable but very fragile place after the six game streak. Each player had settled into their place in the rotation and they were truly complimenting each other. The problem is one of the wheels came off the car and everyone was then trying to make up for the player loss and not just tending to their place in the scheme. Our lack of depth is so severe that any lose of a key piece to this puzzle throws the whole picture out of focus. Let's see if we can put the train back on the track when Mac gets back. I don't think the kids and Coach are throwing in the towel just yet - maybe we should wait a few games with them. Let's remember how balanced this league is this year - I won't be surprised if the regular season leader has 6 or 7 losses.
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Post by professorhoya on Jan 2, 2020 15:57:46 GMT -5
That's actually really great news because it indicates that he doesn't have a retinal tear/hole or worse (detached retina) which would have pretty much ended his season.
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Post by HoyaDr on Jan 2, 2020 16:22:53 GMT -5
That's actually really great news because it indicates that he doesn't have a retinal tear/hole or worse (detached retina) which would have pretty much ended his season. He probably had an abrasion that was still bothering him on Tuesday night although I didn't see him in any discomfort on the bench. Likely it was a precautionary move, which sucks because we could've used him. Anyways health comes first. Unless we hear otherwise from the team, this is the story I'm sticking to.
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Post by jester on Jan 2, 2020 17:11:26 GMT -5
My guess was it was precautionary, not a doctor but I have had a scratched cornea and its something you wait to heal but its not like it gets worse with playing, (although you dont want to rub or wear contacts) or its something more dire as poster said above (which it doesnt seem to be). If it was a 'bigger' game who knows if he would have played, or if we werent playing so well PE wouldnt have just thought we may have chance without Mac let's play it safe.
Hoping for his return and health!
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Post by justsaying on Jan 2, 2020 17:49:40 GMT -5
It's very clear the team had settled into a comfortable but very fragile place after the six game streak. Each player had settled into their place in the rotation and they were truly complimenting each other. The problem is one of the wheels came off the car and everyone was then trying to make up for the player loss and not just tending to their place in the scheme. Our lack of depth is so severe that any lose of a key piece to this puzzle throws the whole picture out of focus. Let's see if we can put the train back on the track when Mac gets back. I don't think the kids and Coach are throwing in the towel just yet - maybe we should wait a few games with them. Let's remember how balanced this league is this year - I won't be surprised if the regular season leader has 6 or 7 losses. Agreed. Even those outside the league agreed that this league is a bear trap, every game.
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