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Post by JohnJacquesLayup on Jul 7, 2005 12:31:24 GMT -5
Is losing to a high RPI team on the road ever better than beating poor RPI team at home? If so, what is the RPI cutoff for this situation?
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Post by the_way on Jul 7, 2005 12:37:44 GMT -5
Is losing to a high RPI team on the road ever better than beating poor RPI team at home? I don't know, but I'm quite sure it is. But they change the RPI calculation every year, so who knows.
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Post by Cambridge on Jul 7, 2005 12:43:02 GMT -5
Is losing to a high RPI team on the road ever better than beating poor RPI team at home? I don't know, but I'm quite sure it is. But they change the RPI calculation every year, so who knows. yes
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Post by JohnJacquesLayup on Jul 7, 2005 12:50:52 GMT -5
RPI cutoff where this situation is not true?
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Post by GUHoya07 on Jul 7, 2005 12:52:17 GMT -5
I can't wait to get payback for that game at MCI two years ago that I consider the nadir of Georgetown men's basketball of the last 30 years. Hoya F---ing Saxa. I guess you didn't hear about that game at the Garden against St. Johns that year where we lost to a team with about 3 scholarship players. ;D
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Post by GUHoya07 on Jul 7, 2005 12:54:26 GMT -5
we will prolly be playing for 2 years in a row the #1 team in the land. More than two years in a row. In fact, we played the #1 team twice in the span of like a week or two 2 years ago with Duke and someone else, maybe Uconn?
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Post by GUHoya07 on Jul 7, 2005 12:57:23 GMT -5
UNBELIEVABLE! ;D Yep, we finally got that marquee non-conference home opponent we were talking about. I can't wait to get payback for that game at MCI two years ago that I consider the nadir of Georgetown men's basketball of the last 30 years. Hoya F---ing Saxa. You mean the THE DEBACLE? I think that one game scared CBS away from Gtown for the next 20 years. It was bad, but not much can be worse than that loss at the Garden, and then looking at the Big East standings and seeing St. John's 1 Big East win.
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Post by lichoya68 on Jul 7, 2005 12:59:34 GMT -5
PLEASE with the great ooc schedule lets all remember we asked for this and give jt3 some slack when we get some losses go hoyas go jt3 and remember we wanted this kinda schedule beat them one by one ... especially duke !!!! ;D
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Post by GUHoya07 on Jul 7, 2005 13:01:41 GMT -5
PLEASE with the great ooc schedule lets all remember we asked for this and give jt3 some slack when we get some losses go hoyas go jt3 and remember we wanted this kinda schedule beat them one by one ... especially duke !!!! ;D Sorry Lic, but I think you got confused. The losses we are talking about were all under Coach E's watch.
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Post by StPetersburgHoya (Inactive) on Jul 7, 2005 13:04:43 GMT -5
UNBELIEVABLE! ;D Yep, we finally got that marquee non-conference home opponent we were talking about. I can't wait to get payback for that game at MCI two years ago that I consider the nadir of Georgetown men's basketball of the last 30 years. This is a chance to show how far we've come since then. I can't wait to see the game 100% official on our schedule. Hoya F---ing Saxa. You said nadir - hahahahaha.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jul 7, 2005 13:06:14 GMT -5
Is losing to a high RPI team on the road ever better than beating poor RPI team at home? If so, what is the RPI cutoff for this situation? What's this talk of losing?
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Post by StPetersburgHoya (Inactive) on Jul 7, 2005 13:07:25 GMT -5
I think that we can win the following OOC games: Miss Valley, Fairfield, UTEP, Oregon, Duke, and Michigain - that's some pretty high quality wins - Duke at home is a much different animal than Duke on the road - we'll matchup very well than them - be more experienced than them and have a better coach than them. I'm sorry Washington, DC doesn't take American Express.
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Jul 7, 2005 13:12:13 GMT -5
Is losing to a high RPI team on the road ever better than beating poor RPI team at home? ? This is the reason that RPI is THE WORST SPORTS STATISTIC EVER. It is NEVER better to lose a game than it is to win. That doesn't mean that you shouldn't schedule top opponents; you should do so b/c 1) there is a huge upside if you win and 2) b/c there is very little downside-- no chance for a bad loss. Thus, scheduling tough teams is a good idea. However, sports are about accomplishments, and winning is the paramount and central accomplishment. Even though a win against Norfolk St. doesn't mean much, from an accomplishment standpoint, you have accomplished more by winning that game than you have by losing at UConn. Any sort of ranking system must acknowledge that to have any legitimacy. By definition, winning is better than losing in sports. By eschewing this obvious reasoning and making some losses better than certain wins, RPI has found a way to impose the notion of "moral victory" into college basketball. Next will come margain of victory. This trend is embarrassing and unacceptable. RPI is a joke, but not a funny one, as its detrimental effect on college basketball seems to grow season by season. Its faults are far more complex than just the moral victory issue (consider the road v. home formulas), but that is the most glaring problem. No serious college basketball fan should consider RPI a legitimate ranking system.
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Post by MCIGuy on Jul 7, 2005 13:18:40 GMT -5
Your In-conference success in the Big East depends on whether you really are tournament bound or not. That's true...if Gtown finishes in the top four of the conference. But if Gtown only finshes though with a record in conference that's anywhere from .500 or two games above .500, and there are a slew of BE teams ahead of them or tied with them, Gtown would not go dancing with the pathetic OOC schedule it has normally put together. I agree that you have to have some patsies (four has always been my number), but 7 to 8 of them in one season can hurt in either seeding or in keeping the Hoyas out of the NCAA tournament.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jul 7, 2005 13:19:28 GMT -5
I think the RPI sucks, but if you had to pick a team to bet on, at a neutral site, who'd you pick?
Team A: Lost to Duke by 1 at Cameron Team B: Beat Morgan State by 1 at Home
You phrase it "By definition, winning is better than losing in sports." I phrase it otherwise: "a better team may have more losses than a worse team based on who they lost to."
My elementary school basketball team went 15-0 (or something similar). Could we beat the '84 Hoyas?
If you don't take the level of competition into account, W-L records are a joke.
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Post by StPetersburgHoya (Inactive) on Jul 7, 2005 13:20:45 GMT -5
Look, way, we can complain about the schedule we have and the logic its based on or we can get pumped for a really exciting season with a tough OOC and fairly easy BE schedule. I am choosing to do the latter. Like it or not III clearly believes in RPI.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2005 13:21:29 GMT -5
I'd rather watch the Team B game against Morgan State than the Team A game against Duke. Lord knows those Morgan State cheerleaders make the already fugly Duke gals look like wilderbeasts.
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Post by StPetersburgHoya (Inactive) on Jul 7, 2005 13:22:55 GMT -5
We are definitely better off with our schedule now. What we need now is a cup-cake or 2 to round out the schedule - does anyone have St. Leo's number?
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Post by MCIGuy on Jul 7, 2005 13:31:02 GMT -5
You mean the THE DEBACLE? I think that one game scared CBS away from Gtown for the next 20 years. It was bad, but not much can be worse than that loss at the Garden, and then looking at the Big East standings and seeing St. John's 1 Big East win. Well, the difference is no one saw the St. John's game. But the game against Duke was not only national, it was also the only game on the schedule for CBS at that time slot. Usually CBS these days has regional coverage which means anywhere from two to three games will be broadcast by them simultaneously in different parts of the country. So if a game is a blowout the network can always pull one game off many markets and replace it with a more competitive game they are airing. But with the Duke-Gtown disaster it was the only game CBS had for its early Saturday schedule that particularly day. So they had to stick with it the entire way which I'm sure was about as embarrassing to them as it was to Hoya fans. I can only imagine CBS sposrts executives deciding that day that the Hoyas were not to be put back on their network until there was evidence that the program was relevant and competitive again.
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Post by JohnJacquesLayup on Jul 7, 2005 13:31:16 GMT -5
Is losing to a high RPI team on the road ever better than beating poor RPI team at home? ? This is the reason that RPI is THE WORST SPORTS STATISTIC EVER. It is NEVER better to lose a game than it is to win. That doesn't mean that you shouldn't schedule top opponents; you should do so b/c 1) there is a huge upside if you win and 2) b/c there is very little downside-- no chance for a bad loss. Thus, scheduling tough teams is a good idea. However, sports are about accomplishments, and winning is the paramount and central accomplishment. Even though a win against Norfolk St. doesn't mean much, from an accomplishment standpoint, you have accomplished more by winning that game than you have by losing at UConn. Any sort of ranking system must acknowledge that to have any legitimacy. By definition, winning is better than losing in sports. By eschewing this obvious reasoning and making some losses better than certain wins, RPI has found a way to impose the notion of "moral victory" into college basketball. Next will come margain of victory. This trend is embarrassing and unacceptable. RPI is a joke, but not a funny one, as its detrimental effect on college basketball seems to grow season by season. Its faults are far more complex than just the moral victory issue (consider the road v. home formulas), but that is the most glaring problem. No serious college basketball fan should consider RPI a legitimate ranking system. I can generally agree with your points, however what tells you more about your team: A heartbreaker in the BE tourney to UCONN, or a 25 point victory over say Coppin State at MCI? IMO, it's the former. Yes wins and losses are what counts and wins are accomplishments, but a close loss to a great team deserves more respect than a blowout over practically a high school all-star team. With your logic, you'd then argue that a 14-2 MEAC team is better than a 10-6 BE team since wins are the only thing that matters, not RPI which helps put a scale on quality of opponent.
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