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Post by HoyasAreHungry on Oct 10, 2019 11:40:33 GMT -5
I can't understate how big a disaster this is. This is a premier recruiting event; forget students and boosters. Yes, nice to get people excited for the season, but really it's all about who you're able to attract to the event. It seems like this was a disaster long before they had to drop Fabolous. Is it just me or was even the announcement of who would perform much later this year than in years past? I feel like the performer was known and tidbits of recruits who were set to come were dropping months in advance. Seems like this all "came together" last minute. Who dropped the ball on this? Does the marketing dept set this up every year? Is it the bball department? Someone's head needs to roll for this. Supposedly they're telling recruits not to even come anymore. I hold my nose at a lot of what they do, but this is the biggest layup event of the year and you blow it? Not a good look. Not a good look at all.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Oct 10, 2019 11:53:16 GMT -5
I can't understate how big a disaster this is. This is a premier recruiting event; forget students and boosters. Yes, nice to get people excited for the season, but really it's all about who you're able to attract to the event. It seems like this was a disaster long before they had to drop Fabolous. Is it just me or was even the announcement of who would perform much later this year than in years past? I feel like the performer was known and tidbits of recruits who were set to come were dropping months in advance. Seems like this all "came together" last minute. Who dropped the ball on this? Does the marketing dept set this up every year? Is it the bball department? Someone's head needs to roll for this. Supposedly they're telling recruits not to even come anymore. I hold my nose at a lot of what they do, but this is the biggest layup event of the year and you blow it? Not a good look. Not a good look at all. Disagree. If a recruit is choosing a school because of which hip-hop star showed up that night, that's not a recruit who's likely to be coming to Georgetown in the first place.
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Post by jwp91 on Oct 10, 2019 12:07:37 GMT -5
I am trying to imagine what could matter less than a Midnight Madness event for a program that is legitimately on the rise. How many of the current roster attended Midnight Madness in the past as a recruit? What % of minutes and points?
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Post by LCPolo18 on Oct 10, 2019 12:22:57 GMT -5
I am trying to imagine what could matter less than a Midnight Madness event for a program that is legitimately on the rise. How many of the current roster attended Midnight Madness in the past as a recruit? What % of minutes and points? LeBlanc and McClung committed at Hoya Madness 2017.
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Post by HoyasAreHungry on Oct 10, 2019 12:46:07 GMT -5
I can't understate how big a disaster this is. This is a premier recruiting event; forget students and boosters. Yes, nice to get people excited for the season, but really it's all about who you're able to attract to the event. It seems like this was a disaster long before they had to drop Fabolous. Is it just me or was even the announcement of who would perform much later this year than in years past? I feel like the performer was known and tidbits of recruits who were set to come were dropping months in advance. Seems like this all "came together" last minute. Who dropped the ball on this? Does the marketing dept set this up every year? Is it the bball department? Someone's head needs to roll for this. Supposedly they're telling recruits not to even come anymore. I hold my nose at a lot of what they do, but this is the biggest layup event of the year and you blow it? Not a good look. Not a good look at all. Disagree. If a recruit is choosing a school because of which hip-hop star showed up that night, that's not a recruit who's likely to be coming to Georgetown in the first place. That's clearly not at all what I'm arguing. Nobody is making a decision solely based on if we get X performer to midnight madness, but like it or not, this basketball recruiting game is an arms race. We finally have the practice facility. Perception to these kids is important. To dismiss it as nothing and unimportant is a big mistake.
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Post by blazers11 on Oct 10, 2019 13:05:30 GMT -5
Hoyas new to kick in high gear. Mid night madness being one of them that needs upgrades. School should have had a backup plan. No reason why we shouldn't have 15-20 high profile recruits attending every yr.
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Post by RBHoya on Oct 10, 2019 13:33:17 GMT -5
Disagree. If a recruit is choosing a school because of which hip-hop star showed up that night, that's not a recruit who's likely to be coming to Georgetown in the first place. I don't think you expect commitments based on having a big name rapper. But, I think the big name rapper brings out a big and energetic crowd, and that same big crowd cheers for the basketball team, which helps to further the perception that basketball at Georgetown is "big time." If you're a high school player and it's your first time ever setting foot on campus, it really helps make a good first impression. It makes Georgetown Basketball seem like a big deal. And considering that in many cases a trip to our home games can give you the exact opposite impression, it's pretty helpful in discrediting one of the weak points in our resume. Historically it's been a great place to close recruitments--Jason Clark and Greg Monroe being just two of the big fish who committed within a day or two of attending. We can downplay the importance of a big name musical act or of the Madness concept itself in the big picture, but it's hard to argue that a well-attended and loud basketball-centric event would have anything but potential upside for recruiting.
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Post by HoyasAreHungry on Oct 10, 2019 13:40:33 GMT -5
Disagree. If a recruit is choosing a school because of which hip-hop star showed up that night, that's not a recruit who's likely to be coming to Georgetown in the first place. I don't think you expect commitments based on having a big name rapper. But, I think the big name rapper brings out a big and energetic crowd, and that same big crowd cheers for the basketball team, which helps to further the perception that basketball at Georgetown is "big time." If you're a high school player and it's your first time ever setting foot on campus, it really helps make a good first impression. It makes Georgetown Basketball seem like a big deal. And considering that in many cases a trip to our home games can give you the exact opposite impression, it's pretty helpful in discrediting one of the weak points in our resume. Historically it's been a great place to close recruitments--Jason Clark and Greg Monroe being just two of the big fish who committed within a day or two of attending. We can downplay the importance of a big name musical act or of the Madness concept itself in the big picture, but it's hard to argue that a well-attended and loud basketball-centric event would have anything but potential upside for recruiting. This x100. Articulated much better than I, thanks RB.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Oct 10, 2019 16:02:20 GMT -5
I am trying to imagine what could matter less than a Midnight Madness event for a program that is legitimately on the rise. How many of the current roster attended Midnight Madness in the past as a recruit? What % of minutes and points? LeBlanc and McClung committed at Hoya Madness 2017. Right, and we got commitments after Meek Mill had been cancelled that year! The point being, guys like LeBlanc and McClung, if they commit at Hoya Madness, have almost certainly decided beforehand and are simply confirming it during the visit, since it's a convenient and appropriate time to do it. I believe Copeland also committed at a Hoya Madness event. The odds a guy is going to be on the fence, be overtaken by the hype of Hoya Madness (and a rapper), and suddenly decide to commit on the spot are low, I think. Of course, it's certainly possible. Heck, I largely made my decision to come to Georgetown because of the February 1999 GAAP weekend, though I did not make it official until a couple months later. So I definitely think we want to put on a good event, but I am not sure somebody like Fabolos is going to be the game changer. As someone else said, we didn't have musical acts in the mid-2000s and we recruited well. It's a nice event, and since everyone else does it, we have to, but I do think some of the luster has warn off now that it's not at midnight and no longer the true start of the season.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Oct 10, 2019 16:04:17 GMT -5
Kids can make an impulsive decision to sign after a great MM experience.
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Post by RBHoya on Oct 10, 2019 17:20:48 GMT -5
I'd agree that most kids who commit coming out of Madness probably were thinking heavily about it beforehand, and their campus visit + a fun night at Midnight Madness just sort of seals the deal. Still, that sealing of the deal is important.
It didn't seem like we had any of those cued up this year anyway. As far as we'd heard there weren't any 2020 guys who were looking to commit in the fall who were expected to attend (though again, that info usually comes out late). But the bigger thing to me is the 2021 and even 2022 guys who are still early in the recruiting process. There have to be, what, at least a dozen 2021 prospects who will eventually play for a high major within a 2-2.5 hour drive of campus. I'd be inviting every one of those guys to attend, along with their teammates, whether they have an offer or not. You never know for sure who is going to have a coming out party as a junior. Getting them to see campus, the practice facility, meet the team and then cap it off by seeing a packed gym and a cool concert would be a great introduction and would certainly help establish Georgetown as a legitimate high major program and basketball school. This is a rant for another time and place, but so many kids from the area seem to think the ACC is the only true high major around and view Georgetown and the Big East as a step down from that for a variety of reasons. If we really want to compete at the highest level I think we need to do everything we can to combat that perception, and showing the program in a very positive light at Hoya Madness is the kind of thing that strips away at that stigma in people's minds. It's much a better first exposure to the program than having them attend some run-of-the-mill home game where Capital One is a mausoleum.
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Post by Ranch Dressing on Oct 10, 2019 17:27:58 GMT -5
I can't understate how big a disaster this is. This is a premier recruiting event; forget students and boosters. Yes, nice to get people excited for the season, but really it's all about who you're able to attract to the event. It seems like this was a disaster long before they had to drop Fabolous. Is it just me or was even the announcement of who would perform much later this year than in years past? I feel like the performer was known and tidbits of recruits who were set to come were dropping months in advance. Seems like this all "came together" last minute. Who dropped the ball on this? Does the marketing dept set this up every year? Is it the bball department? Someone's head needs to roll for this. Supposedly they're telling recruits not to even come anymore. I hold my nose at a lot of what they do, but this is the biggest layup event of the year and you blow it? Not a good look. Not a good look at all. You can't understate or you can't overstate...hahaha...
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Post by Ranch Dressing on Oct 10, 2019 17:32:57 GMT -5
I can't understate how big a disaster this is. This is a premier recruiting event; forget students and boosters. Yes, nice to get people excited for the season, but really it's all about who you're able to attract to the event. It seems like this was a disaster long before they had to drop Fabolous. Is it just me or was even the announcement of who would perform much later this year than in years past? I feel like the performer was known and tidbits of recruits who were set to come were dropping months in advance. Seems like this all "came together" last minute. Who dropped the ball on this? Does the marketing dept set this up every year? Is it the bball department? Someone's head needs to roll for this. Supposedly they're telling recruits not to even come anymore. I hold my nose at a lot of what they do, but this is the biggest layup event of the year and you blow it? Not a good look. Not a good look at all. Disagree. If a recruit is choosing a school because of which hip-hop star showed up that night, that's not a recruit who's likely to be coming to Georgetown in the first place. MM is a big deal. Greg Monroe committed right after, arguably JT3's biggest recruit. I would argue that the recruit is not committing because of a hip hop artist performance. The recruit is collecting information on the school, getting a sense of personalities on the team and coaching staff, judging school spirit, assessing facilities/resources, and how well the sports department operates and supports the team. If it is a total dud event with no spark, the event potentially leaves a negative impression (especially if it is compared to other MM events attended). All schools work really hard to put on a great MM show. Why? Because it matters.
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Post by daveg023 on Oct 10, 2019 18:11:20 GMT -5
I agree with the thought this matters. No way to spin it otherwise.
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Post by boxout05 on Oct 10, 2019 23:05:09 GMT -5
MM should be a plus for the program. How big of a plus is up for debate and is subject to the amount of effort you put invest, but it’s not something you’re supposed to screw up. Book a headliner, put on a show, get folks excited for a few hours. Not asking a lot. Hope it comes off ok.
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Post by HoyasAreHungry on Oct 11, 2019 9:03:54 GMT -5
I can't understate how big a disaster this is. This is a premier recruiting event; forget students and boosters. Yes, nice to get people excited for the season, but really it's all about who you're able to attract to the event. It seems like this was a disaster long before they had to drop Fabolous. Is it just me or was even the announcement of who would perform much later this year than in years past? I feel like the performer was known and tidbits of recruits who were set to come were dropping months in advance. Seems like this all "came together" last minute. Who dropped the ball on this? Does the marketing dept set this up every year? Is it the bball department? Someone's head needs to roll for this. Supposedly they're telling recruits not to even come anymore. I hold my nose at a lot of what they do, but this is the biggest layup event of the year and you blow it? Not a good look. Not a good look at all. You can't understate or you can't overstate...hahaha... Damnit.
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Post by EasyEd on Oct 11, 2019 9:45:21 GMT -5
Poor students and alums who have to be pampered with entertainment before they will come out to support their school's team.
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Post by DanMcQ on Oct 11, 2019 11:53:26 GMT -5
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Post by LCPolo18 on Oct 11, 2019 14:03:54 GMT -5
Live stream link included, as well as the Facebook Live link.
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Post by rlo24 on Oct 11, 2019 17:41:52 GMT -5
Anyone else getting an error message on the live feed? Attachments:
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