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Post by MCIGuy on Feb 23, 2021 8:24:59 GMT -5
Yaboy, that's a bit of a low-bar analogy. No one is saying he is a bad kid. Instead we are arguing one may not want to use scholarship space on a guy who has demonstrated a sort of unreliability, one who runs away from things when they are not to his liking (whether that be the program itself before he stepped one foot on campus as a student or the possible scenario of him bolting Ann Arbor because of a lack of playing time). I don't care what his age is, that's not an excuse considering other guys born the same year as him have demonstrated more certainty in their decisions. By the way I'm curious in who you see as the future pros on that current Michigan roster who had limited him to a couple of minutes in meaningless games. I may be undervaluing a couple of their guys. I myself don't hold a grudge against him which is why I also am telling people to let it go when they take shots at him for his lack of court minutes. I think he should stay at Michigan and earn that court time like players used to do before we fans became too quick to dismiss those who didn't show immediate results. I don't necessarily root for Williams but I am not rooting against him either...except if he is ever a part of an opposing team that goes against the Hoyas. Just for guys ahead of him, Wagner and Livers are NBA players. Maybe end of roster guys, but NBA players nonetheless. I also like Chaundee Brown's game a lot. He's a 1,000 point scorer and I think will have a very solid pro career. 41% from three says a lot with Brown. Those three are elite talents. Isn't one of these guys considered to be a guard? Is that what we think Williams is too?
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Post by MCIGuy on Feb 23, 2021 8:45:58 GMT -5
That said the thing that I find most curious are people who apparently view these young men as present disposable pieces to be jettison at any moment whenever we have possibly future disposable pieces needing scholarship space. That's one hell of a vicious cycle to be comfortable with. And, no, I don't see the true year after year successful programs taking this route unless they are the Dukes and Kentuckys of the world whose rosters are dominated with One-and-Done talent. But as for the Gonzagas, Villanovas, Creightons, Virginias, Ohio States, Texas Techs, etc., their continuity and lack of large, annual roster overhauls appear to be working. You have been on this for some time now and I just think you're misreading the situation. My impression is that most people don't view the players as "disposable pieces", and most are not eager for a bunch of transfers to happen. However, it's increasingly become the reality of the college game. There's too much money on the line for kids who have professional aspirations, and kids by and large are more mobile than they used to be, willing to play in different parts of the country if a program appears to be a better fit. Especially with the prevalence of waivers and the chaos created by the pandemic this year, I think player movement could be at an all-time high. Sure, some kids will stay. There are definitely guys outside of our current rotation who I think could be impactful if they hang in there. But when you have 13 scholarship players and a 7.5 man rotation, plus a Top 10ish recruiting class on the way, it would be naive to assume everyone will be back. It's hard to say who and how many players will stay or go, but also hard to imagine a scenario where all stay. To me that isn't treating student athletes like disposable assets to be jettisoned on a whim, it's more like recognizing the state of the college game in 2021. And it isn't really something we need to beat ourselves up about--transfers happen in many places, and many of those departing will land in situations where they are happier. I agree with you that in an ideal world we'd be in a situation like Villanova or UVA--the two programs we should be most closely looking to emulate. However with the exodus that hit us last year (including the player whose thread we are in), we had to reach on a lot of players to fill out the roster last spring, and so it's not crazy that some of those don't stick. If we can get the right mix of guys and hopefully get back to being a winning program, it becomes easier to talk guys into staying. Jay Wright and Tony Bennet can talk guys at the end of their benches into staying around because a) they're winning, and players are more likely to stay on a team that's winning even if their role is small and b) they've put upperclassmen into the pros. Wright can point to guys like Bridges and Bey and Paschal and Arcidiacono and others who have waited their turn and been rewarded by making it in the NBA. Patrick doesn't have that yet, but it's hopefully the direction we're headed in. As far as Williams, it feels like every few weeks somebody on Hoyatalk will which a Michigan game, realize he's not getting much run, and post about it. I think after he dumped us at a very inopportune time last year there are a lot of people reaching for some schadenfreude. They really want to be able to say "See Terrance, you made a mistake, you should have come to Georgetown." But since his team is way better than ours, we want to convince ourselves that he's getting frustrated by his PT and on his way out. My guess is that he, like just about everyone associated with Michigan basketball right now, is pretty happy. Maybe if his role doesn't increase in future years and he's passed on the depth chart by incoming recruits it will be a different story, and at that time we can consider the merits of offering him as a transfer. But for now I'd be surprised if he's not back at UM next year. Most players are content to play a small role as a freshman provided that their team is succeeding and they can see a path to a larger role in the future. Great post. I mostly agree. My lone contention is that I am well aware of the changes happening within college basketball overall, I am only taking issue with us fans who presume (or root or outright hope) that scholarship space will open up by multiple kids transferring for more playing time, especially when these players are mostly freshmen (freshmen who weren't even ranked that high coming out of high school anyway). What I don't get is how we as fans come on a message board to imply we will get that space through the departures of other guys who still have years of eligibility left. Remember when people here use to remind others of not posting certain things because players and their families and their support groups may read such stuff? Yet here we have people signaling or outright saying that because a guy didn't get minutes in season one he is likely to be gone. If that is not what that player or even his supporters are actually thinking, then they will assume that is what us fans are hoping to be a likely outcome. And, yeah, that makes them look pretty disposable. I prefer not to jump that gun by expecting guys to move on just so we can have that extra scholarship space. Instead I tend to keep rooting for the future of all our guys with the team until they themselves decide to depart and look for possible greener pastures.
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Post by MCIGuy on Feb 23, 2021 8:50:07 GMT -5
He’d fit right in with our freshman who haven’t played. Of course most of them weren't even ranked in the Top 200 and may actually value going to a school like Georgetown even if they don't get a ton of minutes.
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Post by RockawayHoya on Feb 23, 2021 9:43:51 GMT -5
Until he puts his name in the portal, I'm not wasting time thinking about this kid.
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Post by hoyazeke on Feb 23, 2021 11:16:40 GMT -5
Just for guys ahead of him, Wagner and Livers are NBA players. Maybe end of roster guys, but NBA players nonetheless. I also like Chaundee Brown's game a lot. He's a 1,000 point scorer and I think will have a very solid pro career. 41% from three says a lot with Brown. Those three are elite talents. Isn't one of these guys considered to be a guard? Is that what we think Williams is too? No. Livers and Wagner are both 4/3 . I see Wagner as exactly Williams projected playing style. Livers seems more agile and able to create off the bounce and guard 3s... IMO
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Feb 24, 2021 9:14:53 GMT -5
Michigan has 3 McD players coming in and two at T Wills position. Interesting.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2021 21:57:06 GMT -5
Michigan played State tonight and they played 13 players. Guess who didn't play? Yep, you guessed it...Terrance Williams. He must be a bum! Please don't accept him if he decides to transfer.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2021 22:27:05 GMT -5
Michigan played State tonight and they played 13 players. Guess who didn't play? Yep, you guessed it...Terrance Williams. He must be a bum! Please don't accept him if he decides to transfer. Lol. It's Senior night so they threw in their Seniors and walkons in at the end.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2021 1:06:27 GMT -5
Michigan played State tonight and they played 13 players. Guess who didn't play? Yep, you guessed it...Terrance Williams. He must be a bum! Please don't accept him if he decides to transfer. Lol. It's Senior night so they threw in their Seniors and walkons in at the end. How many straight games has it been since the kid last played? Guess what? Senior night or no senior night, I don't think they intend on playing him.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2021 1:21:52 GMT -5
Lol. It's Senior night so they threw in their Seniors and walkons in at the end. How many straight games has it been since the kid last played? Guess what? Senior night or no senior night, I don't think they intend on playing him. He played in their last 3 games. He's been dnpcd 4 times this season.
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Post by hoyazeke on Mar 5, 2021 3:39:41 GMT -5
Lol. It's Senior night so they threw in their Seniors and walkons in at the end. How many straight games has it been since the kid last played? Guess what? Senior night or no senior night, I don't think they intend on playing him. He played in the Illinois game Tuesday night.
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Post by dchoya72 on Mar 5, 2021 4:11:13 GMT -5
Who cares?
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Post by augustusfinknottle on Mar 5, 2021 8:33:39 GMT -5
To be fair, he looked quite happy celebrating with teammates after they secured the league title.
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Post by thejerseytornado on Mar 5, 2021 9:08:38 GMT -5
STOP. UPPING. THIS. THREAD. FFS.
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Post by TC on Mar 5, 2021 9:24:39 GMT -5
It's amazing how many goober fans here would cut off their nose to spite their face.
Kid decommitted, it happens. These are 18 year old kids. We were interested for a reason, those reasons haven't changed just because he's on the bench at Michigan, and it would help us with local which is still an issue. I have no idea if this is a possibility or not but I have no idea why people get so threatened and defensive about someone bumping a thread with a hypothetical possibility that they think is interesting.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Mar 5, 2021 9:59:40 GMT -5
Kid also played at a very competitive high school program so I am sure he waited his turn there. The issue is more about what they are bringing in next year. If he sees freshman start over him next year and if any of those guys sticks for more than one year, he could be looking at junior/senior year until he gets legit minutes. It could have happened at Gtown too even though we aren't as good this year. Just like Sibley being slowly integrated, Williams probably would have been in a similar position.
The difference is we will need a four next year who can shoot and Michigan doesn't. That is about the only difference. It used to be the trajectory of players like Williams and Sibley was the norm. Now we are used to freshman who if they don't play we think they'll transfer. It's a sad state of affairs all the way around. Frankly I hope he stays there four years and becomes a good college player. He isn't a pro player IMHO but he can be a very good college player in the right program with the right opportunity.
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Post by BeantownHoya on Mar 5, 2021 10:30:47 GMT -5
I am surprised anyone is even engaging it's Glide's typical move of hijacking a thread or saying something combative to push for responses...I hope this is not what the board is turning back to....
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Post by MCIGuy on Mar 5, 2021 11:25:32 GMT -5
It's amazing how many goober fans here would cut off their nose to spite their face. How many? What the heck are you talking about? Most people participating in this thread are actually counting down the days until Williams transfers and somehow ends up back at Georgetown, like some desperate, rejected bride-to-be who is hoping that the groom who left her standing on the altar after catching a glimpse of some other sweet thing a short time before, is miserable and will fall back into her arms. These days outside of one guy who is arguably trolling, the portion of the fans in this thread who are NOT even considering Williams hooking up with Georgetown again are for the most part expressing that he is likely happy at Michigan and that there is no shame in his waiting his turn up there. But if you want to make this about people being too spiteful to know what's best for the team, tell me could you guarantee Williams would be better than anyone else we have at our disposal. Because I was one of those who had doubts about him even before all of the DNPs he's gotten at Ann Arbor. We are after all talking about a borderline Top 100 player who is a classic tweener who also happens to lack the desired height, athleticism, lift and quickness. Also there is no evidence that whatever faceup game he may have had in high school will translate. Perhaps it will, he has plenty of time left to prove so. But lets stop kidding ourselves as if he is some can't-miss prospect. In fact even better how about people stop obsessing over him in general until he actually indicates he is leaving Michigan?
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Post by TC on Mar 5, 2021 16:44:50 GMT -5
It's amazing how many goober fans here would cut off their nose to spite their face. How many? What the heck are you talking about? Read the last two pages of the thread, there's at least three people with the sentiment that since he decommited a year ago, wah wah wah, we don't want him. So many people here forget that Patrick Ewing's own son chose Indiana over Georgetown. And then transferred to Georgetown later. It's a silly attitude to take and people should have open arms or at least an open mind when someone bumps a thread on the recruiting board, whether it be about the illustrious Sherwyn Devonish or Terrance Williams.
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Post by turbohoya on Mar 5, 2021 17:02:35 GMT -5
How many? What the heck are you talking about? Read the last two pages of the thread, there's at least three people with the sentiment that since he decommited a year ago, wah wah wah, we don't want him. So many people here forget that Patrick Ewing's own son chose Indiana over Georgetown. And then transferred to Georgetown later. It's a silly attitude to take and people should have open arms or at least an open mind when someone bumps a thread on the recruiting board, whether it be about the illustrious Sherwyn Devonish or Terrance Williams. FLOOR GENERAL! (sorry, I had to)
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