EasyEd
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Post by EasyEd on Jun 30, 2005 13:28:49 GMT -5
I nominate jahidihoya for Jerk of the Year. He not only enjoys knocking a man down but also enjoys kicking dirt into his face and calls it humor. What a guy!
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the_way
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Post by the_way on Jun 30, 2005 13:30:08 GMT -5
Here is a vote from me for jahidhoya as Jerk of the Year.
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millerj9
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Post by millerj9 on Jun 30, 2005 13:44:20 GMT -5
give me a break. these are freakin' hilarious!
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Jun 30, 2005 13:45:19 GMT -5
He's probably a good guy and all, but the things that happened to us in games which are being referenced are all true, ridiculous, and hilarious if you think about them with a good sense of humor. As much as I don't want to focus on the past or turn this thread into a flame war, I feel obligated to say that I wholeheartedly disagree with that comment and resent the myths about Esherick's game management somehow hurting the team. No honest analysis of games in the Esherick tenure should lead to that conclusion.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2005 13:50:06 GMT -5
Wow. You people REALLY need to lighten up. How is this any different than any number of people who routinely rip on whatever President is in office? Or any other public figure? Or any private citizen in the public eye for that matter? It isn't. Re-freakin'-lax. Nobody is kicking anyone while they're down, nobody is saying Esh is an awful man, nobody is questioning his loyalties to or what he's done for G'Town. As a fan of a team you've got every right to lay into parts of that program at your discretion.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2005 13:51:18 GMT -5
Hoyalove4ever... please tell me you're joking.
Myths? Do we need to go to the video tape?
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the_way
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Post by the_way on Jun 30, 2005 13:57:17 GMT -5
Esh is a Hoya, and shouldn't be disrespected. But that is the nature of people who lack substance. I don't expect loyalty from some on this board because it is evidenced with fixations with other teams outside of the Hoyas. Jim Calhoun is revered on this board. I've heard more ridicule of Esh than I have heard of Gary Williams, Coach K, or our even biggest rival Jim Boehiem. It just goes to show where some peoples loyalties lie. I find it disgusting, classless,egregious, very non-Hoya like, and definitely not how most Georgetown Hoyas treat their own.
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Post by 1227 on Jun 30, 2005 13:57:33 GMT -5
I vowed to not get involved, but I have to speak up - briefly. As a person who personally sat through Esh's end of game management way too often, I can say that it was atrocious at least 80% of the time (and that's generous). Two games come to mind (vs. UConn - no directive to foul, and ND - 4 chances to win, same "play" used 4 times, 4 failures).
Can anyone name an end of game scenerio where he outcoached the other team? Nat Burton did that by himself when it seems that there was no play called (and don't tell me that was the play). Sure, Braswell hit some game winning threes, but how many times did he miss those - a lot more times than he made them.
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Jun 30, 2005 14:00:09 GMT -5
I would LOVE to go to the videotape. Choose any game you want, let's both get copies and do an analysis here on the board.
I'm not arguing that Craig made all the right moves during every game; no coach does. But the notion that we lost games b/c of his game management is an absurd myth that has no basis in reality.
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SFHoya99
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jun 30, 2005 14:01:30 GMT -5
Let me ask a serious question for all the Esherick defenders.
I never met the man. I am not going to judge whether or not he is a good guy. But all the available evidence I have -- his public comments and actions -- spoke to an incredibly arrogant man who viewed his players and fans as beneath him and used his brother to physically threaten people.
Is he incredibly arrogant? I don't know. I'm not going to judge him as a person. But I wondering if you guys actually know him when you say he was a good person.
As for kicking the man when he's down...he had a six figure job he kept for five years. He has a job now. He was a public figure and should be able to take some ribbing. Maybe we're all a-holes for thinking it is funny.
But if Buffalo and Jahidi are jerks for the humor, then the rest of you are sanctimonious jerks for judging them... and I'm a sanctimonious jerk for judging you.
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Jun 30, 2005 14:01:53 GMT -5
Renole:
UConn and ND '02 are two are my favorite examples of the myth that I'm referring to here. I nominate those as game for Buffalo and I to analyze. Please join the mix if interested.
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the_way
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Post by the_way on Jun 30, 2005 14:07:41 GMT -5
Actually, John Saunders from the Sports Reporters spoke highly of Craig as person after he was fired on the show. Mike Jarvis spoke this year on ESPN about Craig as a person. Brem Weintein from Sportstalk 980 said Esh was a very nice guy, but G'town was private. The only time I hear about Esh being a jerk or arrogant is on this message board. That is not to say that people said he was a great coach. Nobody said that. People criticized his coaching and rightfully so.The only people who thought Esh was a jerk are some on this board. Its funny because this board is not the end all of what really goes in the world and truths about people. I think people need to get out of their comfort zones and realize there is a bigger world outside of the hoyatalk board.
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SFHoya99
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jun 30, 2005 14:13:00 GMT -5
Actually, John Saunders from the Sports Reporters spoke highly of Craig as person after he was fired on the show. Mike Jarvis spoke this year on ESPN about Craig as a person. Brem Weintein from Sportstalk 980 said Esh was a very nice guy, but G'town was private. The only time I hear about Esh being a jerk or arrogant is on this message board. That is not to say that people said he was a great coach. Nobody said that. People criticized his coaching and rightfully so.The only people who thought Esh was a jerk are some on this board. Its funny because this board is not the end all of what really goes in the world and truths about people. I think people need to get out of their comfort zones and realize there is a bigger world outside of the hoyatalk board. When does the media ever criticize a coach's personality. Regardless, I find that interesting. I do think that Mike Jarvis saying you are a good guy means absolutely nothing, since Jarvis is beyond sketchy. People get the Esh is arrogant from his public comments. I'm not sure how you can listen to those and not get a level of arrogance there. He also obviously had some issues with players. Like I said, I don't know if he is a good guy or not. No clue. But a) his public actions don't paint a pretty picture and b) what's wrong with a joke about the fact that we lost games shorthanded?
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jahidihoya
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Post by jahidihoya on Jun 30, 2005 14:15:51 GMT -5
* To celebrate the new job, Esh simply raised his right fist in the air. He held it there for about five straight minutes with a puzzled look on his face.
* A petition asking for a new VP of Athletic Relations has been signed by over 3,700 people. A rally is scheduled for noon tomorrow on the from steps of CSTV Hall.
* Esh's boss, Lou Jang said that an annual invitation to the ESPY awards was an "unreasonable expectation" for CSTV
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Post by JohnnyTwoTimes on Jun 30, 2005 14:21:03 GMT -5
Anyone who witnessed Jahidi's stellar performance at halftime of this year's UCon-GU BET tilt would know that voting for him as "jerk of the year" is blasphemy. To borrow a phrase, Admin should remove those ad hominem attacks.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2005 14:22:00 GMT -5
_way, that's the point. Nobody is saying Esh is a jerk. I'm certainly not. I had one experience with the man during my time on The Hilltop, and it was positive. Seemed like a nice guy. Nobody is questioning that. Everything I've read from jahidihoya and others (at least today... I can't remember EVERYTHING that was said when he was canned) just seems like jokes about what you admitted yourself - he's probably not the best coach. Period. If we can all agree on that, there should be no reason to be up in arms about what is being said here.
These jokes are jokes about Craig Esherick, Basketball Coach. Not Craig Esherick, Human Being/Hoya Alumn.
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the_way
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Post by the_way on Jun 30, 2005 14:24:58 GMT -5
Actually, John Saunders from the Sports Reporters spoke highly of Craig as person after he was fired on the show. Mike Jarvis spoke this year on ESPN about Craig as a person. Brem Weintein from Sportstalk 980 said Esh was a very nice guy, but G'town was private. The only time I hear about Esh being a jerk or arrogant is on this message board. That is not to say that people said he was a great coach. Nobody said that. People criticized his coaching and rightfully so.The only people who thought Esh was a jerk are some on this board. Its funny because this board is not the end all of what really goes in the world and truths about people. I think people need to get out of their comfort zones and realize there is a bigger world outside of the hoyatalk board. When does the media ever criticize a coach's personality. Regardless, I find that interesting. I do think that Mike Jarvis saying you are a good guy means absolutely nothing, since Jarvis is beyond sketchy. People get the Esh is arrogant from his public comments. I'm not sure how you can listen to those and not get a level of arrogance there. He also obviously had some issues with players. Like I said, I don't know if he is a good guy or not. No clue. But a) his public actions don't paint a pretty picture and b) what's wrong with a joke about the fact that we lost games shorthanded? Again, that is YOUR perception. I'm talking about the people that know him. I have heard a heck of lot more good things about Esh then bad as a person. The only time I hear the words arrogant when describing Esherick are from people on this message board. To those that know him and are Georgetown fans, the problems with Esh were from a coaching standpoint only. People thought he was in over his head. Esh spoke out because some lowlifes ran their mouths,conjured up protest rallys and petitions, and personally attacked him. He defended himself. Just like he defended Mike Sweetney when he felt Mike was getting treated unfairly.
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JimmyHoya
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Post by JimmyHoya on Jun 30, 2005 14:26:49 GMT -5
Actually, that is very funny. good show jahidi So, I guess you find Bob Saget funny too. You sir, need to listen to Elliot in the Morning more and check out Bob at the DC Improv next time he comes to town. Funny stuff.
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jahidihoya
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Post by jahidihoya on Jun 30, 2005 14:28:07 GMT -5
Thank you, JohnnyTwoTimes. Thank you for bringing up a painful memory!
I still wake up at night recalling what the roof of the "World's Most Famous Arena" looked like as I laid upon my back in a pile of broken tricycle pieces...
I will get them next year. I will train on a tricycle in the French Alps like Lance Armstrong!
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the_way
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Post by the_way on Jun 30, 2005 14:29:07 GMT -5
So, I guess you find Bob Saget funny too. You sir, need to listen to Elliot in the Morning more and check out Bob at the DC Improv next time he comes to town. Funny stuff. Eh, no thanks. I'd rather watch paint dry than listen to Bob Saget.
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