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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Mar 21, 2019 8:10:27 GMT -5
Of the things we control, there was a point in the 2nd half we were on a run and Amaker called a timeout. The crowd got a back & forth Hoya/Saxa cheer going only to be drowned out and stifled by the band playing Will you be my girl! WTF!!! Read the crowd. That timeout should have been five minutes of deafening cheers. Our band needs to revisit the same crap they've been dropping since 1980. With the crowd advantage we had last night, we gotta find a way to win that game.
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Post by hoyas big supporter on Mar 21, 2019 8:22:10 GMT -5
JT3’s finesse players are rolling off and Pat is bringing in dogs. The process takes 2-3 years. We were better this year and will be better next year. Hard to instill dog in a college kid- have to recruit it. This argument is malarkey. I would hardly describe Kaleb Johnson and Jagan Mosely as finesse players. We were KenPom 94 last year and KenPom 96 this year. Improvement lies in the eye of the beholder. Won several games because of hero ball, which is hard to replicate for sustainable success, hence our positive "luck" quotient. When does the statute of limitations end for blaming JT3 for Ewing’s results. The efficiency numbers on offense and defensive do not lie. You may not describe them as such, but they are very much finesse players. Jagan especially. Kaleb became a bit more physical only during the latter half of his senior season. Jagan’s mental toughness > his physical toughness, despite his measurables.
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Post by EtomicB on Mar 21, 2019 8:33:01 GMT -5
If Jessie wasn't on the team this year is Gtown even playing tonight? I doubt it very much... Bottom line is if Jessie was the player folks dream of, he'd have been a lottery pick and gone already... Jessie is a flawed player, no doubt about it but he's a good college player & has been a good player for Gtown during his career... Sure if you just take him off the team we suck for sure. Because then Mourning is playing 30+ minutes a night and that would probably cause a riot. Outside of shooting 3s, he’s completely deficient in almost every other facet of the game. Not to mention a lack of anything resembling hustle, heart, or leadership. Replace jessie with any number of big men from around our conference and we’re probably a better team. I’m sick of watching his lazy, weak, uninspired brand of basketball. I don’t see where he improved much as a player over his 4 years here. He came in as a big man with a decent stroke from 3 and not much else to offer and he’ll exit as basically the same player. Very glad to be turning the page. Outside of Krempl, name the rest Snow?
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Post by HOYAPLAYA on Mar 21, 2019 8:36:19 GMT -5
Sure if you just take him off the team we suck for sure. Because then Mourning is playing 30+ minutes a night and that would probably cause a riot. Outside of shooting 3s, he’s completely deficient in almost every other facet of the game. Not to mention a lack of anything resembling hustle, heart, or leadership. Replace jessie with any number of big men from around our conference and we’re probably a better team. I’m sick of watching his lazy, weak, uninspired brand of basketball. I don’t see where he improved much as a player over his 4 years here. He came in as a big man with a decent stroke from 3 and not much else to offer and he’ll exit as basically the same player. Very glad to be turning the page. Outside of Krempl, name the rest Snow? Can't wait to read the response to this one....
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Post by hoyazeke on Mar 21, 2019 8:40:33 GMT -5
JT3’s finesse players are rolling off and Pat is bringing in dogs. The process takes 2-3 years. We were better this year and will be better next year. Hard to instill dog in a college kid- have to recruit it. This argument is malarkey. I would hardly describe Kaleb Johnson and Jagan Mosely as finesse players. We were KenPom 94 last year and KenPom 96 this year. Improvement lies in the eye of the beholder. Won several games because of hero ball, which is hard to replicate for sustainable success, hence our positive "luck" quotient. When does the statute of limitations end for blaming JT3 for Ewing’s results. The efficiency numbers on offense and defensive do not lie. This is such a short sighted take on our 18-19 season. Yes if you just look at the KenPom numbers we were worse but we started 3 frosh, 1 soph, and 1 senior. Last year we started 1 senior, 1 soph, 1 fresh, and 2 juniors.....I guess you dont include the gms that we won last year with MD making ridiculous shots as luck? Eyes of the beholder?....Look we know that you don't like Ewing but if you don't understand that this year was a upgrade over last year, I don't know what to tell you...
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Mar 21, 2019 8:47:33 GMT -5
Outside of Govan, we shot 1-12 from three. We got outrebounded by 9. It’s as simple as that. Need to hit threes and rebound! The tip outs by Harvard were a good strategy against our taller, but athletically challenged bigs.
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Post by hoyainla on Mar 21, 2019 8:48:27 GMT -5
If Jessie wasn't on the team this year is Gtown even playing tonight? I doubt it very much... Bottom line is if Jessie was the player folks dream of, he'd have been a lottery pick and gone already... Jessie is a flawed player, no doubt about it but he's a good college player & has been a good player for Gtown during his career... I do agree with this. Just think that despite his shooting, he's not a great fit for the new style Ewing wants to run. I think it's fair to say he was our best player this year, and that the team itself might be quite a bit better next year. If having a 41% 3P C does not fit your offense then maybe you aren't running the right offense. If the 41% guy takes 3.5 3/game and the 28% guy takes 4.9 3/game maybe you arent running the most efficient offense. I could go on but to say complain that Jessie was a net negative on offense is not a good sign for our future.
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Post by madgesiq92 on Mar 21, 2019 8:54:11 GMT -5
This years team seemed to lack the ability to impose their will on other teams and force other teams into playing the game they wanted. What game does a Patrick Ewing team want to play? What is identity?
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Post by hoyas big supporter on Mar 21, 2019 9:01:11 GMT -5
This argument is malarkey. I would hardly describe Kaleb Johnson and Jagan Mosely as finesse players. We were KenPom 94 last year and KenPom 96 this year. Improvement lies in the eye of the beholder. Won several games because of hero ball, which is hard to replicate for sustainable success, hence our positive "luck" quotient. When does the statute of limitations end for blaming JT3 for Ewing’s results. The efficiency numbers on offense and defensive do not lie. This is such a short sighted take on our 18-19 season. Yes if you just look at the KenPom numbers we were worse but we started 3 frosh, 1 soph, and 1 senior. Last year we started 1 senior, 1 soph, 1 fresh, and 2 juniors.....I guess you dont include the gms that we won last year with MD making ridiculous shots as luck? Eyes of the beholder?....Look we know that you don't like Ewing but if you don't understand that this year was a upgrade over last year, I don't know what to tell you... Some fans have been involved with team sports at a high level and some just haven’t got a clue. I’ve realized this is often a big difference in how fanbases evaluate their team, particularly at the NCAA level.
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Post by prhoya on Mar 21, 2019 9:09:52 GMT -5
Take a look at the box score: www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/boxscore?gameId=4011237289 Harvard players had 4 or more shots. We had seven. Look at the disparity between players. Kaleb and Jagan played 43 mins total and had 2 shots total (both by Kaleb), 3 FTAs (all by Kaleb), 2 rbs (all by Kaleb), 1 assist (by Jagan), 1 stl (by Kaleb), 1 TO (by Jagan) and 2 pts (by Kaleb). This is horrible and soft for two upperclassmen. Kaleb is gone, so that’s that. Jagan’s game of just passing the ball around without trying to make a mistake is unacceptable if we want to be contenders. He needs to do something on offense, not just pass the ball and get out of the way, or his defender will cheat off him and double someone. At least Greg got 4 pts and 5 rbs in 9 minutes (1-4 FGs). Blair must really suck in the eyes of Ewing if he couldn’t grab some of those minutes and just got 1. Depending on how the roster shakes up, and depending on the work Jagan and Pickett put it, I could see Galen and/or another good recruit moving ahead of Jagan and Pickett in the rotation. As to Blair, we’re not allowed to speculate.
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Post by bostonfan on Mar 21, 2019 9:13:56 GMT -5
This years team seemed to lack the ability to impose their will on other teams and force other teams into playing the game they wanted. What game does a Patrick Ewing team want to play? What is identity? It is a good question, but after two years I would say on the offensive end they want to play in transition as much as possible and when they are in the have court want to spread the floor and shoot a lot of 3's. They need a couple of more accomplished shooters to make this work. The bigger question is on defense, where they really have not established an identity. They press a little bit, but not very effectively. They play mostly man to man, but it is not a high pressure level of man to man that tries to create turnovers. They very rarely play zone and when they do it is not too impressive. Hopefully next season the staff has a more of the athletes they want and can start to install the type of defense they want the tea to play. If they can establish something that could create some turnovers that makes the entire game, on both ends much easier.
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Post by prhoya on Mar 21, 2019 9:22:01 GMT -5
After two seasons, Pat needs to look at his staff and re-evaluate. Does he have what he needs to be contenders? Has he covered the bases in terms of coaching X and Os and recruiting?
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Mar 21, 2019 9:36:20 GMT -5
I don’t think it’s Xs and Os, but lack of (seasoned) talent. Pat is addressing the need.
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Post by jwp91 on Mar 21, 2019 9:46:19 GMT -5
I hate it when we start the game running HPNR offense on the 1st possession. If we miss the quick shot, it gets us off on the wrong foot. Then what follows is a series of possessions with quick shots and little ball movement. Can we just try to get everyone to touch the ball on the 1st possession and get a good shot instead of a quick shot?
The only reason this game was close is that the turnover differential balanced the rebounding differential. The only thing we did really well was avoid turnovers.
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Post by guru on Mar 21, 2019 9:46:35 GMT -5
This argument is malarkey. I would hardly describe Kaleb Johnson and Jagan Mosely as finesse players. We were KenPom 94 last year and KenPom 96 this year. Improvement lies in the eye of the beholder. Won several games because of hero ball, which is hard to replicate for sustainable success, hence our positive "luck" quotient. When does the statute of limitations end for blaming JT3 for Ewing’s results. The efficiency numbers on offense and defensive do not lie. This is such a short sighted take on our 18-19 season. Yes if you just look at the KenPom numbers we were worse but we started 3 frosh, 1 soph, and 1 senior. Last year we started 1 senior, 1 soph, 1 fresh, and 2 juniors.....I guess you dont include the gms that we won last year with MD making ridiculous shots as luck? Eyes of the beholder?....Look we know that you don't like Ewing but if you don't understand that this year was a upgrade over last year, I don't know what to tell you... I'd say the jury is still out on Patrick despite what I though at midseason had been a real turning point. We just shouldn't lose to Harvard at home or on the road to anyone by 32 much less DePaul - and though I do think the soft seniors take some blame (one in particular), game preparation has to be questioned after those performances, especially at the end of a season. That said, a handful of posters here decided they hated the Ewing hire on Day 1 and their existence here has turned into a full-time pursuit of "I told you so" - they are persistent, and don't mind looking foolish in the process. I have the DMs to prove it. It's not about the team, program or school. It's about them being proven right (and lingering anger at JT3's firing, hard as that is to believe).
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Post by chuckinhoya on Mar 21, 2019 9:47:34 GMT -5
I personally think Coach Ewing has done an exceptional job considering what he had to work with initially. Every player he has brought in or is bringing in is a physical upgrade over what he inherited(Carter may be the only exception). Wahab, Wilson, Igohfe(sp) are all significantly better physically than Govan/Mourning. Mac and James are already better players than Dickerson, Mulmore, and Mosely. They also have better functional athleticism. They just need to understand their limitations better. Pickett/Leblanc are better athletes than Derrickson, they just need their basketball skill, strength, and IQ to mature. Galen looks to be a Leblanc clone upon first impression. I believe Ewing is on the right path, its just going to take another year or so. Even still, the improvement of all players under Ewings leadership cannot be ignored. Their personal stats may not have improved but the wins did as did certain skill sets. The foundation has officially been set.
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Post by jwp91 on Mar 21, 2019 9:53:16 GMT -5
I personally think Coach Ewing has done an exceptional job considering what he had to work with initially. Every player he has brought in or is bringing in is a physical upgrade over what he inherited(Carter may be the only exception). Wahab, Wilson, Igohfe(sp) are all significantly better physically than Govan/Mourning. Mac and James are already better players than Dickerson, Mulmore, and Mosely. They also have better functional athleticism. They just need to understand their limitations better. Pickett/Leblanc are better athletes than Derrickson, they just need their basketball skill, strength, and IQ to mature. Galen looks to be a Leblanc clone upon first impression. I believe Ewing is on the right path, its just going to take another year or so. Even still, the improvement of all players under Ewings leadership cannot be ignored. Their personal stats may not have improved but the wins did as did certain skill sets. The foundation has officially been set. Don’t sleep on Carter. Not every freshman is prepared to contribute immediately. He has the sweetest stroke on the team.
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Post by bigskyhoya on Mar 21, 2019 10:23:41 GMT -5
This is such a short sighted take on our 18-19 season. Yes if you just look at the KenPom numbers we were worse but we started 3 frosh, 1 soph, and 1 senior. Last year we started 1 senior, 1 soph, 1 fresh, and 2 juniors.....I guess you dont include the gms that we won last year with MD making ridiculous shots as luck? Eyes of the beholder?....Look we know that you don't like Ewing but if you don't understand that this year was a upgrade over last year, I don't know what to tell you... I'd say the jury is still out on Patrick despite what I though at midseason had been a real turning point. We just shouldn't lose to Harvard at home or on the road to anyone by 32 much less DePaul - and though I do think the soft seniors take some blame (one in particular), game preparation has to be questioned after those performances, especially at the end of a season. That said, a handful of posters here decided they hated the Ewing hire on Day 1 and their existence here has turned into a full-time pursuit of "I told you so" - they are persistent, and don't mind looking foolish in the process. I have the DMs to prove it. It's not about the team, program or school. It's about them being proven right (and lingering anger at JT3's firing, hard as that is to believe). I agree 100% with this post. And, if it turns out that PE does not turn the program around, it by no means calls into question the sound decision to move on from III.
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Post by NCHoya on Mar 21, 2019 10:24:41 GMT -5
I am not one for moving the goal posts because I am disappointed about the way the last 2 games of a 33 game season finished.
For me, improvement was following the results of the recent Va Tech or Auburn models with Buzz Williams and Bruce Pearl. They came in and year 1 was a mess, similar to Tom Crean at Georgia this season. That is the norm for new coaches. If the prior coach is let go because of performance, the roster is likely a mess. If you are replacing a guy that got in trouble with the NCAA, it is different, and those cases should be ignored for comparison.
Second year, Pearl's team was still terrible, Buzz had an NIT team (sound familiar?). Year 3, Pearl had a 3rd non-NIT season, but now has a ranked team for the last 2 years. Buzz made the NCAA in year 3 and again this season. The Buzz scenario has always been my aim, and we are on that pace and ahead of Pearl's pace.
Keep in mind, these are two established, networked NCAA coaches - Ewing was not.
Everyone needs to take a deep breath and see the forest from the trees. Give Ewing a chance before you are ready to run him out of town, and for who? - Shaka Smart (does not look too good anymore, does he?). This stuff is not easy, even though we all wish it could be.
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Post by centercourt400s on Mar 21, 2019 10:37:39 GMT -5
I just don’t understand how people can watch him game in and game out this year and not come away thinking he’s part of the problem with this team It's not that people don't think he's part of the problem but there are those of us that believe there are a lot of problems that just go unspoken. We have posts slamming Jesse for his man driving right by him.but excusing Leblanc for net helping. At the same time, when players drive right past their man and Govan helps with no success stopping the shot, these same posters blame Govan again. We lost today because we scored only 68 points and that ain't on Govan. The object of basketball is to score more points than your opponent. Govan went for 25 in a 68 point game... he did his part. No one else stepped up offensively.
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