iowa80
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Post by iowa80 on Mar 20, 2019 22:48:58 GMT -5
Deep breath everyone. You gotta give PE 3 years. FIRST YEAR, terrible, as expected. SECOND YEAR, improved, as anticipated. THIRD YEAR, program turnaround, as projected. Look what we accomplished with basically 3 freshmen this year. Next year we will have all the things we lacked this year: big man who can not only shoot 3's but also score in the paint and play defense, another big man who can protect the rim, a small forward who can score off the dribble, and two other monster bigs who I'm sure PE will have waiting on the bench to spell the starters. Plus we will have older, wiser, and maybe stronger Mackinjo - the best backcourt in the BE plus a real senior leader in Mosley. And anything we get from Pickett and Blair will be gravy. HEY NCHOYA94, I'm predicting 24 wins next year, 12-6 in the BE and a tie for first, BET championship, and a 3 seed in the NCAA. I expect you to hold me to it. This is hard to deal with without coming across as a PE basher, which I'm really not. I just saw a PE-coached team--supposedly not without talent--lose to Harvard at home with several days to prepare. I'm not really interested in a "3 freshman" excuse after a season of Big East play, and I fully understand that this is a work in progress. What I am saying is that this was a rather meaningful, season-ending game where we, in theory, should have known what we were after an entire season. It was at home. It was a beatable team. We lost. I can draw conclusions without a deep breath,
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EtomicB
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Post by EtomicB on Mar 20, 2019 22:55:46 GMT -5
I'm getting weary of this Jesse bashing--at least for tonight. A really convenient target, I suppose. Meanwhile he puts up 25 while the bench combined does 12 in 47 minutes. Add that to 0 in 21 from Jagan and 5-15 from Mac. That and the fact that a well-prepared Big East team has no business losing to an Ivy--even a good one--at home. But let's pile on Jesse. After all, he's leaving. I just don’t understand how people can watch him game in and game out this year and not come away thinking he’s part of the problem with this team If Jessie wasn't on the team this year is Gtown even playing tonight? I doubt it very much... Bottom line is if Jessie was the player folks dream of, he'd have been a lottery pick and gone already... Jessie is a flawed player, no doubt about it but he's a good college player & has been a good player for Gtown during his career...
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EtomicB
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Post by EtomicB on Mar 20, 2019 23:01:37 GMT -5
I just don’t understand how people can watch him game in and game out this year and not come away thinking he’s part of the problem with this team It's not that people don't think he's part of the problem but there are those of us that believe there are a lot of problems that just go unspoken. We have posts slamming Jesse for his man driving right by him.but excusing Leblanc for net helping. At the same time, when players drive right past their man and Govan helps with no success stopping the shot, these same posters blame Govan again. We lost today because we scored only 68 points and that ain't on Govan. Very well said!! It's an absolute double standard by a lot of posters...
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Post by hoyainla on Mar 20, 2019 23:11:23 GMT -5
It's not that people don't think he's part of the problem but there are those of us that believe there are a lot of problems that just go unspoken. We have posts slamming Jesse for his man driving right by him.but excusing Leblanc for net helping. At the same time, when players drive right past their man and Govan helps with no success stopping the shot, these same posters blame Govan again. We lost today because we scored only 68 points and that ain't on Govan. Very well said!! It's an absolute double standard by a lot of posters... When the bigs get in foul trouble next year because guards get beat who are we all supposed to blame? ? I don't care how good of a shot blocker you are. When guards are constantly coming at you with a full head of steam bad things are going to happen more often than not.
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Post by dionlo on Mar 20, 2019 23:19:22 GMT -5
I used to criticize JT3 on why not play # 33 T. Mourning I figured after he gave the team some positive minutes we could use him in the lineup playing..Well JT3 knew more than me...This season he showed he was never a average D1 player...Every time he entered any game this year it has always been shoot first, shoot first, shoot first...huh? then tonight he decided to break out his turnaround step back jumpshot....I'm so glad he is gone...non athletic, can't shot, can't play defense, big softie..
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Post by cgallstar02 on Mar 20, 2019 23:50:39 GMT -5
Not sure why anyone is surprised by the result today. Harvard is far from a great team but also far from a bad one. I don't think this team has had an easy win all season outside of some early non-conference games against cupcakes, and we even struggled in a few of those. I think it was a forgone conclusion that this game, and had they won, any other NIT games they played in would've come down to the wire. Everyone pretty much lived up to their billing here: Freshman guards playing hero ball, check... The biggest and best player on our team getting bullied down low, playing with 0 intensity, and getting abused defensively in the interior, check... Trey jacking up a shot every time he touches it, check... Greg Malinowski being the worst player on the floor, check... Having to check the boxscore to confirm that Jagan actually played today, check.
Pretty much every game we won this year was due to a huge effort by one or two guys... usually James, Jessie, Mac, and a few times Josh. This team never figured out over the course of the season how to play as a team and win as a team. It's about individual efforts with these guys. It works in the NBA, and I guess it can work at the college level if you've got guys like Zion and RJ... unfortunately we don't have guys like that. James and Mac were able to pull it off here and there, but that's the difference between them and a star player. The great ones can do it consistently every night. Hopefully they can figure it out next year. Nothing against Jessie, but I'm 100% Yurtseven will be an upgrade in just about every facet of the game. The freshman will all likely take a step forward. I don't know much about the Alexander kid, but I know he's a much better athlete than Greg or Kaleb. It would almost impossible for Wahab to not be an upgrade over Mourning. It'll be hard for us to not be better, at least on paper.
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SaxaCD
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Post by SaxaCD on Mar 21, 2019 0:44:05 GMT -5
It's not that people don't think he's part of the problem but there are those of us that believe there are a lot of problems that just go unspoken. We have posts slamming Jesse for his man driving right by him.but excusing Leblanc for net helping. At the same time, when players drive right past their man and Govan helps with no success stopping the shot, these same posters blame Govan again. We lost today because we scored only 68 points and that ain't on Govan. To further the point, we won exactly 1 game this year when scoring as little as we did. We were fortunate to be playing UMES in that game but we did not win any other game when we scored so few points. Also, there are currently 18 completed college basketball games tonight. Anyone want to guess how many were won by teams who scored 68 points or less? That shows that giving up points has been a problem all year, no matter what conference teams came from. Our team didn't really "meet the level" of our opponents -- good teams scored easily against us because they were good, and poor teams scored easily against us because our defense made them good. We won and lost on shooting ok or not. Today we missed a bunch (except for that one Jessie flurry). The reason people say that defense wins championships is because it allows you to stay in and pull out games no matter who's shot is hot or cold. Our team didn't have that luxury this year,
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Post by SaxaCD on Mar 21, 2019 0:46:31 GMT -5
I just don’t understand how people can watch him game in and game out this year and not come away thinking he’s part of the problem with this team If Jessie wasn't on the team this year is Gtown even playing tonight? I doubt it very much... Bottom line is if Jessie was the player folks dream of, he'd have been a lottery pick and gone already... Jessie is a flawed player, no doubt about it but he's a good college player & has been a good player for Gtown during his career... I do agree with this. Just think that despite his shooting, he's not a great fit for the new style Ewing wants to run. I think it's fair to say he was our best player this year, and that the team itself might be quite a bit better next year.
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Post by McBricks on Mar 21, 2019 1:09:55 GMT -5
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Post by kbones17 on Mar 21, 2019 1:27:24 GMT -5
Dud of a game. Disappointing end to an up and down season. It is concerning that we ended the season with three very poor performances (depaul, Seton Hall, Harvard) amid probably our best game (Marquette).
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Post by wisconsinhoya on Mar 21, 2019 1:38:17 GMT -5
It is now 13 years and counting since the Georgetown Hoyas have won consecutive games in the NCAAT or NIT's
That final stat is unbelievable...... I was thinking about that stat last Thursday night when we embarrassed the program with our effort and execution in the loss to Seton Hall. I'm going off of memory, which may be the wrong thing to do at this time after another pathetic performance, but I don't think we have won consecutive games in any post season since the 2010 Big East tournament.
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Post by DanMcQ on Mar 21, 2019 5:14:08 GMT -5
It’s easy to single out individual players, but the team missed a lot of wide open good shots last night. That said, the fatal flaw this year was the guys never really (except for a couple of games) managed to consistently play effective team defense. Defensive team rebounding was often really poor as it was last night. That’s all about effort. Someone mentioned Izzo upthread. His favorite drill should be a part of every practice. winninghoops.com/drills/tom-izzo-competitive-rebounding-drill/
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Post by SSHoya on Mar 21, 2019 5:53:47 GMT -5
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Post by smokeyjack on Mar 21, 2019 6:09:58 GMT -5
This had every indication of a coaching loss. Physically, we were the better team. We had an advantage with Jesse that was sometimes exploited and sometimes not. And the sometimes not cost us the game. Less Mac more Jagan. The tempo was not adjusted to the opponent. The pathetic final play is almost an afterthought. I know, we live and die with PE, but we gave up 71 at McDonough and lost. Forget Ewing's avoidance of X's and O's during a game, was this team prepared? What do the assistant coaches do? Completely agree. As far as I can tell the only thing this staff can do well is find 100-level recruits capable of overperforming. They can eval talent. They cannot coach.
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Post by smokeyjack on Mar 21, 2019 6:16:47 GMT -5
It's not that people don't think he's part of the problem but there are those of us that believe there are a lot of problems that just go unspoken. We have posts slamming Jesse for his man driving right by him.but excusing Leblanc for net helping. At the same time, when players drive right past their man and Govan helps with no success stopping the shot, these same posters blame Govan again. We lost today because we scored only 68 points and that ain't on Govan. Very well said!! It's an absolute double standard by a lot of posters... This game was definitely a shared loss - specifically Mac and LeBlanc were atrocious. But Govan’s defense was as bad as always. And I think the ire toward Jessie (at least relative to me) was that 1) He was a Sr with his career on the line playing so indifferently on the defensive end, not a frosh or soph 2)He demonstrated zero visible leadership. Nobody cares if this is your personality. Then grow a little kid. He was awful this season imo and I can’t wait to watch a game that doesn’t involve JG or Mourning playing post defense.
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Post by johnnysnowplow on Mar 21, 2019 6:42:05 GMT -5
I just don’t understand how people can watch him game in and game out this year and not come away thinking he’s part of the problem with this team If Jessie wasn't on the team this year is Gtown even playing tonight? I doubt it very much... Bottom line is if Jessie was the player folks dream of, he'd have been a lottery pick and gone already... Jessie is a flawed player, no doubt about it but he's a good college player & has been a good player for Gtown during his career... Sure if you just take him off the team we suck for sure. Because then Mourning is playing 30+ minutes a night and that would probably cause a riot. Outside of shooting 3s, he’s completely deficient in almost every other facet of the game. Not to mention a lack of anything resembling hustle, heart, or leadership. Replace jessie with any number of big men from around our conference and we’re probably a better team. I’m sick of watching his lazy, weak, uninspired brand of basketball. I don’t see where he improved much as a player over his 4 years here. He came in as a big man with a decent stroke from 3 and not much else to offer and he’ll exit as basically the same player. Very glad to be turning the page.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Mar 21, 2019 6:45:31 GMT -5
JT3’s finesse players are rolling off and Pat is bringing in dogs. The process takes 2-3 years. We were better this year and will be better next year. Hard to instill dog in a college kid- have to recruit it.
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Post by madgesiq92 on Mar 21, 2019 7:06:01 GMT -5
JT3’s finesse players are rolling off and Pat is bringing in dogs. The process takes 2-3 years. We were better this year and will be better next year. Hard to instill dog in a college kid- have to recruit it. This argument is malarkey. I would hardly describe Kaleb Johnson and Jagan Mosely as finesse players. We were KenPom 94 last year and KenPom 96 this year. Improvement lies in the eye of the beholder. Won several games because of hero ball, which is hard to replicate for sustainable success, hence our positive "luck" quotient. When does the statute of limitations end for blaming JT3 for Ewing’s results. The efficiency numbers on offense and defensive do not lie.
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Post by HoyaDr on Mar 21, 2019 7:10:58 GMT -5
JT3’s finesse players are rolling off and Pat is bringing in dogs. The process takes 2-3 years. We were better this year and will be better next year. Hard to instill dog in a college kid- have to recruit it. While I agree with these sentiments, the one thing I think JT3 brought was a bit better X's and O's. I'm really frustrated with last night's loss. There were some questionable lineups in the second half and some poor shot selection. There was a good 3 or 4 minutes where Akinjo needed to be out there late in the second half. Was expecting one NIT win, especially at home. Oh well, on to next year. It's hard to see better results next year without better shooting honestly but hopefully the incoming freshmen can protect the rim well enough to offset our poor shooting %s.
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Post by bostonfan on Mar 21, 2019 7:59:02 GMT -5
This years team seemed to lack the ability to impose their will on other teams and force other teams into playing the game they wanted. It may be a case of inexperience, poor roster construction or any number of other things. I think the athleticism and talent has improved quite a bit and they are certainly a more exciting team to watch than they were 3 years ago. The young players need a jump in their performances next year and the team needs to develop an identity that they can impose on opponents.
When they were able to play to their strengths this year they played well, but when teams took those strengths away and forced a different style of play, they often would struggle for long stretches. On defense they need to become more connected and cohesive. I think they will be better next year and expect them to make the NCAA tourney. To become a program that is a tournament team on a pretty much every year basis they need to continue to upgrade the talent level of the entire roster. The depth on this years team was very inconsistent and you never knew what you would get from some players from game to game. That is expected to some degree in your #8-10 players, but your top 7 guys have to be able to bring a consistent performance just about every night. Hard to do with so many young guys playing important roles.
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