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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Mar 22, 2019 15:49:34 GMT -5
JT III didn't inherit a ton of talent when he came to Georgetown. Wallace was almost literally a walk on, Hibbert was a project - Green was a freshman who had gotten hotter senior in high school, but the team had a losing record the previous year and little depth. Almost by definition any program he takes over will require a turnaround. JT 3 returned three starters from 2003-04. The cupboard was not bare. Brandon Bowman (Jr, 15.9 ppg in 2003-04) Ashanti Cook (Jr, 9.2 ppg) Darrel Owens (Jr, 8.1 ppg) If you look at their stats, JT3 greatly improved all three of them year over year once he took over. I’m also not sure how meaningful it is to be a starter on a team as bad as the 2004 team that had a super abysmal offense.
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Post by guru on Mar 22, 2019 21:40:50 GMT -5
Not sure if you saw those teams play, but it was clear Bowman and Cook were talented players. Owens was surprisingly effective once jt3 arrived.
It was a very nice, fortunate marriage of talent and system when JT3 first arrived. Ewing came in under very different circumstances. My goodness those last 2 JT3 teams were terrible.
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Post by vv83 on Mar 22, 2019 22:10:43 GMT -5
Last week I watched the first half of our 2006 BE tournament game vs. Syracuse. We were up 15 at halftime. You probably all remember why I stopped watching at that point. But in that first half - the offense really was a thing of beauty. Even against the zone, which the Princeton style is not really designed to attack - our offense was great. We were whipping passes around, into the seams of the zone, then quickly to open guys at the rim or 3 point line. Players were making good decisions the instant they touched the ball. We completely diced up their D in the first half.
It was nice to remember how good things were for the first few JTIII seasons, before conference opponents got a handle on his offensive principles and started snuffing out our offense most of the time (in large part by being very physical with the cutters, among other adjustments). Thompson never fully countered these adjustments, and things slowly got worse offensively over time. Then the defense crashed after the rule enforcement changes took away the physical style Thompson wanted to play, and the program collapsed underneath JTIII.
He is a smart guy, and I think he was fully humbled by his failure at Georgetown. Hopefully this experience allows him to make the kind of adjustments he failed to make when leading the Hoyas if/when he gets another job .The Athletic article said that he spent a lot of time the last two years visiting with coaches (some in sports other than hoops) to expand his knowledge base, which is a good sign.
JTIII was a good coach for us for the first decade or so of his tenure, and he is a good man. If he ends up coaching again, I'll definitely be rooting for him.
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Post by blueandgray on Mar 23, 2019 0:22:40 GMT -5
Hope JT3 finds a good landing spot. Really good man.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2019 11:00:12 GMT -5
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Mar 23, 2019 11:03:45 GMT -5
Hope JT3 finds a good landing spot. Really good man. Absolutely. I have little doubt that he was far more disappointed and frustrated by the results his last 2 years than any of us.
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Post by kbones17 on Mar 23, 2019 11:14:05 GMT -5
Nice good for him. That would be very interesting to follow.
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Post by vamosalaplaya on Mar 23, 2019 11:14:15 GMT -5
I didn't say the cupboard was bare when he got here, but "inheriting alot of talent" is a silly statement. The team was horrible in Esherik's last year and two years later they were in the Sweet 16 and three years later the Final Four off a recruiting class that wasn't judged very good at the time. His time at Georgetown needed to end and his attempt to transition the style of play after the FGCU debacle didn't work. That 2013 season - what a coaching job in the regular season. Tied for first in a conference that sent 8 teams in the NCAA, including two to the Final Four and the eventual NCAA champion, and a team with no seniors one future NBA player in Otto Porter.
I think Vanderbilt would be a great fit for JT III and a great hire for them.
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Post by AltoSaxa on Mar 23, 2019 11:17:34 GMT -5
If/when do we lose assistants?
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Post by Hoyaholic on Mar 23, 2019 11:26:41 GMT -5
It always gets me when I read that an AD making 7 figures hires a search firm to do his job for him and present him a list of the 5 most obvious candidates.
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Post by vv83 on Mar 23, 2019 11:50:51 GMT -5
It always gets me when I read that an AD making 7 figures hires a search firm to do his job for him and present him a list of the 5 most obvious candidates.[/quote I don't think the search firms really identify the top candidates. Most of their work is stuff like: background checks, administrative work (organizing meetings/interviews, travel arrangements, paperwork, etc.). They also provide some cover for the institution if the search goes badly and/or results in a bad hire. Plus the search firms can reach out to candidates who are currently working at another school, while school officials themselves really cannot do so. This allows coaches approached by search firms to say "I have not talked to anyone at (for example) UCLA about their job opening", while simultaneously engaging in extensive discussions with the search firm acting as UCLA's proxy. But I seriously doubt that these multimillion dollar basketball businesses outsource the actual identification of good candidates for the most important job in their athletic program (or second most at football schools) to an outside organization.
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Post by Elvado on Mar 23, 2019 11:54:59 GMT -5
I hope he gets the job. And then hope he opens his introductory press conference with “Yes, Green walked, okay?”
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Post by SDHoya on Mar 23, 2019 12:02:55 GMT -5
If/when do we lose assistants? Other than maybe Wallace, who would leave? Orr and Waheed have no ties to III that I know of, and would be no more than a lateral move for Kirby unless he is offered lead assistant, but he seems to be more of a solid recruiter than a guy looking to rise up the coaching ranks.
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Post by wponds on Mar 23, 2019 12:11:59 GMT -5
Not sure if he’d leave, but pretty sure Waheed was an assistant during III’s last season here. And maybe Kirby wants to get back to the south? Easier to pull people there. But we’ll see
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Post by SDHoya on Mar 23, 2019 12:15:10 GMT -5
Not sure if he’d leave, but pretty sure Waheed was an assistant during III’s last season here. And maybe Kirby wants to get back to the south? Easier to pull people there. But we’ll see Ah, good catch, forgot about that.
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Mar 23, 2019 13:01:40 GMT -5
IMO Vanderbilt the school is a great fit for JT3, but the SEC conference is an awful fit for JT3.
The postives about JT3 taking the Vanderbilt job is that the program is at rock bottom. They win 5 SEC games next year and that has to be looked at as improvement. He will have to be given some extra years on his contract (at least 7 years) to turn that mess around.
The negatives are the other programs in the SEC conference and their questionable recruiting tactics. By all accounts JT3 is a man of great integrity and head and shoulders above the fray. The SEC conference is the underbelly of college athletics. You can't even try to compete unless your at minimum willing to play very loosely with rules especially when it comes to recruiting. Outside of Tennessee, which other highly successful basketball program isn't connected in some manner known or inferred to a recruiting cheating scandal. Ole Miss, Auburn, Alabama, Miss St., all the crazy stuff that will eventually come out at L$U and grandfather of them all Kentucky.
Could JT3 copy Rick Barnes as a Coach who leaves a school he had a decades worth of success at before the wheels fell off and build another powerhouse, sure, but he'll be going in there knowing the cards are stacked against him....
I wish JT3 tons of success in wherever he lands and I await the obvious and eventual Georgetown vs. JT3 coached team in the NCAA Tournament...
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Mar 23, 2019 14:16:09 GMT -5
I like him more as a commentator, but the bar couldn’t be set lower at Vandy. I don’t think his first move as coach would be to pillage our staff.
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Post by vv83 on Mar 23, 2019 14:24:19 GMT -5
Vandy had two 5 star recruits and one 4 star recruit this past season. The star recruit (Darius Garland) got hurt very early in the season. The other two big recruits both has solid seasons, averaging around 11 points a game. Garland is probably going to be a lottery pick - his injury probably cost Drew his job. If Thompson gets the job- Drew proved that it is possible to recruit big time guys to Vandy. So Thompson would not be entering a situation with no recent history at all of successful recruiting.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Mar 23, 2019 14:31:51 GMT -5
Maybe, Drew bought the five stars. 😉
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Post by vv83 on Mar 23, 2019 14:49:43 GMT -5
Maybe, Drew bought the five stars. 😉 Yes, that is certainly a possibility! But if that is how Vandy is running their recruiting now, with boosters willing to pay up the cash to bring in top level guys - then I doubt they will be serious about JTIII as a candidate.
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