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Post by jamaicahoya on Mar 12, 2019 16:59:04 GMT -5
Two questions (1) Is the BE tourney the time to launch the formal changing of guard, i.e. running the offense through the "Trilla Three," rather than through Govan as we did in the Marquette game? (2)We won three out of the last four. Is it too much to hope we have shed the inconsistency that has dogged us all year?
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Post by HOYAPLAYA on Mar 12, 2019 17:04:25 GMT -5
We saw against Marquette and Nova that when our frosh are allowed to do their thing we can beat anyone in this league. Our future is them and we should stop being distracted by the perceived need to work our offense through the big man. Do you mean the Nova game where Jesse has 21 and 11 and got 12 field goal attempts (hitting 8 of them) to lead us to victory? Your obvious angle on disliking Jesse doesn't allow you to just alter facts. If you think the answer to trying to win three games in three days is to hope we get back to back to back good performances from both our freshman guards when stringing two together in a row has been a challenge, you are kidding yourself. We can either work to get Jesse involved as much as possible so that we can try to run the table or we can run your strategy and hope to come out with one win this week. Our freshman guards are going to get their shots because they have the ball in their hands and they aren't afraid to look for their own shot. To try to turn Jesse into a screening, rebounding afterthought on offense is one of the more foolish strategies I've seen suggesed on this board. He isn't going to turn into Alonzo on defense overnight so let's just limit the portion of the game where we have a real advantage over the other team. I think I can hear Pat working that into his gameplan as we speak...c'mon. [/quote] No I mean the first Nova game where he had no points or the Seton Hall game where he had no points through 40 minutes. Maybe I overdid it but my point is that we have to stop focusing on Govan and trying to force feed him the ball (especially when he's facing athletic big men) and instead run our offense through our "All BE" freshmen. I don't see how you could watch the Marquette game and not realize that these are the guys who we will live and die with. And yes I do think we can get back to back to back performances from them. [/quote] I'm confused as we lost the first Nova game where he got into foul trouble and never looked in the flow and won the second game where he led us in scoring and rebounding. Why would we want to mimic the game that we lost? Also, he had 6 points through 40 minutes versus Seton Hall and we won the game when he scored all 11 points in the second overtime. I guess you skipped over Mac's 2-9 performance in that game with 1 assist and 3 turnovers. I don't see how you could have watched this team this year and actually believe we have a chance to win 3 games in 3 days without Jesse going off in at least 2 of those games. You point to the Marquette game and ignore the patterns of the rest of the season. I guess I just don't find that to be logical at all.
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Post by aleutianhoya on Mar 12, 2019 17:17:00 GMT -5
We saw against Marquette and Nova that when our frosh are allowed to do their thing we can beat anyone in this league. Our future is them and we should stop being distracted by the perceived need to work our offense through the big man. Do you mean the Nova game where Jesse has 21 and 11 and got 12 field goal attempts (hitting 8 of them) to lead us to victory? Your obvious angle on disliking Jesse doesn't allow you to just alter facts. If you think the answer to trying to win three games in three days is to hope we get back to back to back good performances from both our freshman guards when stringing two together in a row has been a challenge, you are kidding yourself. We can either work to get Jesse involved as much as possible so that we can try to run the table or we can run your strategy and hope to come out with one win this week. Our freshman guards are going to get their shots because they have the ball in their hands and they aren't afraid to look for their own shot. To try to turn Jesse into a screening, rebounding afterthought on offense is one of the more foolish strategies I've seen suggesed on this board. He isn't going to turn into Alonzo on defense overnight so let's just limit the portion of the game where we have a real advantage over the other team. I think I can hear Pat working that into his gameplan as we speak...c'mon. [/quote] No I mean the first Nova game where he had no points or the Seton Hall game where he had no points through 40 minutes. Maybe I overdid it but my point is that we have to stop focusing on Govan and trying to force feed him the ball (especially when he's facing athletic big men) and instead run our offense through our "All BE" freshmen. I don't see how you could watch the Marquette game and not realize that these are the guys who we will live and die with. And yes I do think we can get back to back to back performances from them. [/quote] This is all just silly. In what world have the frosh not been "allowed to do their thing"? In his last ten games, Mac has averaged eleven field-goal attempts per game. He's shot 36% from the field in that span. James also has averaged eleven field-goal attempts per game and shot 32% in that span. I'm not criticizing those numbers; I simply use them to show that they are "doing their thing" even when the overall performance may not be truly stellar. More to the point: Aren't Mac and James going to have an easier time "doing their thing" if teams need to account more for Jessie? Like by having to double him when he gets the ball (which they've been doing constantly)? Or by using Jessie as a spacer generally? Or using him on a pick and pop, making it much more difficult to help on their drives? Jessie has had some tough games -- no doubt -- but maybe we shouldn't forget our "All BE" (first team) player (you know, the only one on our team).
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Post by aleutianhoya on Mar 12, 2019 17:19:28 GMT -5
Two questions (1) Is the BE tourney the time to launch the formal changing of guard, i.e. running the offense through the "Trilla Three," rather than through Govan as we did in the Marquette game? (2)We won three out of the last four. Is it too much to hope we have shed the inconsistency that has dogged us all year? No. Probably, yes.
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Post by smokeyjack on Mar 12, 2019 17:27:53 GMT -5
The strategy should be "all hands on deck". We're deeper than most of the BE teams. Use it. Exactly. We really need a game where Jessie drops 20, McClung and Akinjo both have solid games, and we get contributions from others. That's the type of performance that isn't extremely likely given our team's inconsistency, but that needs to be the goal. If that happens, we could beat any team in the BET. I realize that Govan has had a few bad games, but he scored over 20 points in half of our games (9 of the games). He's only had three games that I would consider "bad" (DePaul 6 points, Villanova 0 points, Creighton 9). Even against Marquette he had 10 points. In conference, the guy is shooting 39.4% from three (he's over 40% on the year), his defensive rebounding rate is actually pretty good, and he barely turns it over. I realize some people simply don't like him at this point, but the answer isn't to just let the freshman have at it. I will say that it does depend in part on officiating and fouls. If Govan picks up early fouls, he's essentially taking himself out of the game, which he really needs to avoid. It's hard to get into a rhythm when you're riding the pine. I also see Govan as extremely overdue for a dominant game. Obviously, that would be optimal, but I do feel like the team has learned to play much better without him contributing of late than they did earlier in the year - when we were often awful if he was off. I feel like he'll get his shot to impact the game early, but our guys have learned to adjust somewhat if he's a no-show...which unfortunately has been frequently of late.
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Post by mdtd on Mar 12, 2019 17:30:53 GMT -5
This team is incredibly inconsistent. There's nothing that I can do to help me predict what team will show up. The A-Team can beat anyone in the country and the F-Team could lose to anyone in the country. I don't have any expectations for this game, as Seton Hall has been the same the entire year. An effort like the game in D.C. should win us this game, assuming we shoot better than we did that game. But, an effort like the game in Jersey would be a loss, assuming they don't shoot terribly.
Two not so important things I'm looking out for in this one. 1. Gus Johnson is calling this game right? He loves both Mac and Powell and would be a great commentator for this one. I just love Gus in general so I hope we get him. His energy makes these games that much more exciting. "WHOS THE MACC" Hopefully not many "WHAT TRENTON MAKES, THE WORLD TAKES" though. 2. The James Akinjo Quincy McKnight rivalry. Will that take one of them off of their game. Will it make James want to score every time down or will it make Quincy shoot as much as Myles Powell? If James can force Quincy to want to shoot, I'd like our chances, but relying on freshmen to play mind games with an upperclassman is something I wouldn't count on.
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Post by johnnysnowplow on Mar 12, 2019 17:49:57 GMT -5
My take is pretty simple: we played two bad games against them (which I suppose they deserve a little credit for). One game they played insanely well and wiped the floor with us. The other game they played pretty much to their average and we won even without our A game, albeit in double OT. If we bring our A game finally, we win this.
We are a far deeper, more talented team. Bring our A game, shut down everyone not named Powell, and we’ll see you guys Friday.
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Post by MCIGuy on Mar 12, 2019 18:06:29 GMT -5
Govan has played well at MSG for at least two years. I hope that string continues.
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Post by prhoya on Mar 12, 2019 18:12:16 GMT -5
Was Willard the coach who told the world in the post-game conference of one of the games that his strategy to deal with Govan was to play him just one-on-one and play him tough? If it was any other player, I would expect a bulletin-board-material reaction. Since it is Jessie, we will see what happens and hope that he realizes that his first and only NCAA T is within reach.
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Post by HOYAPLAYA on Mar 12, 2019 18:31:26 GMT -5
Was Willard the coach who told the world in the post-game conference of one of the games that his strategy to deal with Govan was to play him just one-on-one and play him tough? If it was any other player, I would expect a bulletin-board-material reaction. Since it is Jessie, we will see what happens and hope that he realizes that his first and only NCAA T is within reach. I could be wrong but thought that was McDermott (Creighton) who said that.
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Post by prhoya on Mar 12, 2019 18:45:02 GMT -5
Was Willard the coach who told the world in the post-game conference of one of the games that his strategy to deal with Govan was to play him just one-on-one and play him tough? If it was any other player, I would expect a bulletin-board-material reaction. Since it is Jessie, we will see what happens and hope that he realizes that his first and only NCAA T is within reach. I could be wrong but thought that was McDermott (Creighton) who said that. Could be. It’s the BET, Jessie. It’s about cojones!
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Post by tashoya on Mar 12, 2019 20:51:33 GMT -5
Was Willard the coach who told the world in the post-game conference of one of the games that his strategy to deal with Govan was to play him just one-on-one and play him tough? If it was any other player, I would expect a bulletin-board-material reaction. Since it is Jessie, we will see what happens and hope that he realizes that his first and only NCAA T is within reach. To be fair, I think that's a pretty solid strategy. And not because it's a swipe at Jessie. More that, if you double him, he's a solid passer and we have other guys that will hurt you if you do.
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Post by professorhoya on Mar 12, 2019 21:08:44 GMT -5
Exactly. We really need a game where Jessie drops 20, McClung and Akinjo both have solid games, and we get contributions from others. That's the type of performance that isn't extremely likely given our team's inconsistency, but that needs to be the goal. If that happens, we could beat any team in the BET. I realize that Govan has had a few bad games, but he scored over 20 points in half of our games (9 of the games). He's only had three games that I would consider "bad" (DePaul 6 points, Villanova 0 points, Creighton 9). Even against Marquette he had 10 points. In conference, the guy is shooting 39.4% from three (he's over 40% on the year), his defensive rebounding rate is actually pretty good, and he barely turns it over. I realize some people simply don't like him at this point, but the answer isn't to just let the freshman have at it. I will say that it does depend in part on officiating and fouls. If Govan picks up early fouls, he's essentially taking himself out of the game, which he really needs to avoid. It's hard to get into a rhythm when you're riding the pine. I also see Govan as extremely overdue for a dominant game. Obviously, that would be optimal, but I do feel like the team has learned to play much better without him contributing of late than they did earlier in the year - when we were often awful if he was off. I feel like he'll get his shot to impact the game early, but our guys have learned to adjust somewhat if he's a no-show...which unfortunately has been frequently of late. He has one game left to prove it.
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Post by s4hoyas on Mar 12, 2019 22:26:06 GMT -5
No cheap fouls 35 ft from the basket...if they double team (or in general) be a feeder with good, crisp passes...don't be a tree...keep moving and spread out to receive passes in the post...if they play you one on one, make good, decisive inside post moves to score and get them to foul...set solid, stationary screens, then pop out and bang some threes...GO HOYAS, GO JESSE!
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Post by veilside21 on Mar 13, 2019 2:54:46 GMT -5
GATECITY represent... there would be atleast 5k folks rooting for us courtesy of MAC
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Post by blueandgray on Mar 13, 2019 13:09:10 GMT -5
This game scares me.
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Post by HoyasAreHungry on Mar 13, 2019 13:36:30 GMT -5
ALL games scare me with how inconsistent we've been. Have a feeling we'll be dialed in for this one though
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Mar 13, 2019 14:04:32 GMT -5
Gonna be a battle and we will have to be ready from the opening tip. If we aren't up for it, we aren't ready for anything better than the NIT anyway.
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Post by CountAardvark on Mar 13, 2019 14:42:02 GMT -5
Huge game, this is what the whole season has been leading to. Go Hoyas!!!
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Post by Ranch Dressing on Mar 13, 2019 14:59:42 GMT -5
In some ways, it's nice to know that a win potentially validates much of our growth and NCAA worthiness. On the flip side, a loss equally validates the team's inconsistency and inability to string wins together, which justifies an NIT invitation. It's a fairly black and white outcome.
There is no NCAA handwringing after a loss to the Hall. To quote Denny Green, "they are who we thought they were" (or at least some of us).
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