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Post by bearsandbulls on Mar 11, 2019 22:15:32 GMT -5
Me too. Seton Hall right now is the hottest team in the BE. They will have a huge fanbase at the game. And they want revenge for the double overtime loss to us. Meh, entire conference is a stew of mediocrity. Didn't really want to play SJU in a must-win home game in the opener. Other than that, really not a lot of concern over anyone. Powell is really due for a stinker. Marquette is reeling like no team in the league. Definitely the easier side of the bracket in my opinion. I could not disagree with you more. The Big East is the most exciting conference in the country. From top to bottom as the year unfolded any team could beat any other team in the conference. Not at the start, but Marquette and Nova folded down the stretch. Last place DePaul a couple of weeks ago handed us our collective jocks. Now, on the national stage we may be weak, but we are still probably just a shave behind the Power conferences in BB at least. We would love to be a top dog in the March Madness, but G'town fans, we got our money's worth in the conference run this year. OT games, shots at the buzzer, close games to the end: what a great year. Right now, it is let the good times roll.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Mar 11, 2019 23:44:21 GMT -5
Meh, entire conference is a stew of mediocrity. Didn't really want to play SJU in a must-win home game in the opener. Other than that, really not a lot of concern over anyone. Powell is really due for a stinker. Marquette is reeling like no team in the league. Definitely the easier side of the bracket in my opinion. I could not disagree with you more. The Big East is the most exciting conference in the country. From top to bottom as the year unfolded any team could beat any other team in the conference. Not at the start, but Marquette and Nova folded down the stretch. Last place DePaul a couple of weeks ago handed us our collective jocks. Now, on the national stage we may be weak, but we are still probably just a shave behind the Power conferences in BB at least. We would love to be a top dog in the March Madness, but G'town fans, we got our money's worth in the conference run this year. OT games, shots at the buzzer, close games to the end: what a great year. Right now, it is let the good times roll. The Big East has been fun, but based on most metrics, it's a down year for the Big East, and the other "Power 5" conferences are overall better, aside from the Pac 12.
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Post by dchoya72 on Mar 12, 2019 4:50:15 GMT -5
The best is yet to come for our Hoyas this year!
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Post by MassHoya on Mar 12, 2019 5:52:57 GMT -5
Looking at the Hoyas likely path in the BET they can and already have beaten Seton Hall, Marquette and Villanova. This is a competitive situation, far from the longshot situation of the last few years. Two keys: attitude and defense on Powell. The boys had better come out ready to play and make Powell work for everything, like they did to Markus. Can't shut him down, but tire him out. GO HOYAS! beat the Pirates.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Mar 12, 2019 5:54:01 GMT -5
I love your optimism, but we have had a tough time this year playing well in consecutive games. I hope we start now.
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Post by daveg023 on Mar 12, 2019 6:35:26 GMT -5
I think we have to assume Powell will score 30; the key will be can their other guys score the other ~50 points needed to beat us.
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Post by calhoya on Mar 12, 2019 6:42:18 GMT -5
Play some defense along the perimeter, hit the outside shot so they cannot pack in against Govan and get Govan going on offense and avoiding the careless fouls. Play fast but under control--avoid forced shots and bull rushes into the lane. Thought that McClung got bailed out several times at Marquette with fouls (some of which were marginal).
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Post by bearsandbulls on Mar 12, 2019 9:00:57 GMT -5
Agree perimeter defense is critical but probably more important is keeping Govan and LeBlanc away from early fouls, or even opportunities for officials to blow the whistle on them, in silly situations---like 30 feet from the basket. Early fouls cut down PT and scheme as the game goes on. It just kills us. We need our bigs to protect the rim.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Mar 12, 2019 10:00:58 GMT -5
Play some defense along the perimeter, hit the outside shot so they cannot pack in against Govan and get Govan going on offense and avoiding the careless fouls. Play fast but under control--avoid forced shots and bull rushes into the lane. Thought that McClung got bailed out several times at Marquette with fouls (some of which were marginal). I'm not sure I would say "bailed out"; the refs were calling every bit of contact, both ways, so it seemed pretty clear when Patrick had his arm around Mac's shoulder on the sideline he was telling him to take advantage and drive every chance to draw the foul.
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Post by drquigley on Mar 12, 2019 10:19:53 GMT -5
Play some defense along the perimeter, hit the outside shot so they cannot pack in against Govan and get Govan going on offense and avoiding the careless fouls. Play fast but under control--avoid forced shots and bull rushes into the lane. Thought that McClung got bailed out several times at Marquette with fouls (some of which were marginal). Gotta disagree. Obviously guard the perimeter but the whole "get Govan going on offense" is a waste of time and effort and we should not "avoid bull rushes into the lane". I hoped that the end of our Marquette game showed that a winning formula for this team is to let loose the frosh. That means having Mac take it to the hoop (even if some are "bull rushes") letting Akinjo bomb from outside and feeding Josh the ball at the top of the key. Govan should worry less about being "fed" and focus more on setting good picks, boxing out, passing out of double teams and getting boards, especially offensive rebounds. Our offense sucks when we focus on getting Jesse involved since doing so assumes he wants to or is aggressive enough to get involved. We saw against Marquette and Nova that when our frosh are allowed to do their thing we can beat anyone in this league. Our future is them and we should stop being distracted by the perceived need to work our offense through the big man.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Mar 12, 2019 10:29:02 GMT -5
Play some defense along the perimeter, hit the outside shot so they cannot pack in against Govan and get Govan going on offense and avoiding the careless fouls. Play fast but under control--avoid forced shots and bull rushes into the lane. Thought that McClung got bailed out several times at Marquette with fouls (some of which were marginal). Gotta disagree. Obviously guard the perimeter but the whole "get Govan going on offense" is a waste of time and effort and we should not "avoid bull rushes into the lane". I hoped that the end of our Marquette game showed that a winning formula for this team is to let loose the frosh. That means having Mac take it to the hoop (even if some are "bull rushes") letting Akinjo bomb from outside and feeding Josh the ball at the top of the key. Govan should worry less about being "fed" and focus more on setting good picks, boxing out, passing out of double teams and getting boards, especially offensive rebounds. Our offense sucks when we focus on getting Jesse involved since doing so assumes he wants to or is aggressive enough to get involved. We saw against Marquette and Nova that when our frosh are allowed to do their thing we can beat anyone in this league. Our future is them and we should stop being distracted by the perceived need to work our offense through the big man. Patrick has to see how the refs are calling the game; if they are letting them play, headlong drives into multiple defenders will not draw fouls and are wasted possessions. If they are whistle happy like Saturday, take it inside all night . As for Jessie - our offense works best when ALL options are available, including an inside game. We can't ignore him - although his touches do have to be in the flow of the offense, not forced passes leading to a quick double team.
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Post by njhoya78 on Mar 12, 2019 10:59:07 GMT -5
Myles Powell is going to get his points. GU has to shut down Sandro Mamukashevili; he could kill us on the boards cleaning up missed offensive shots, and he can shoot well from outside. Josh LeBlanc will be tested by him.
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Post by HOYAPLAYA on Mar 12, 2019 13:17:31 GMT -5
[/quote] We saw against Marquette and Nova that when our frosh are allowed to do their thing we can beat anyone in this league. Our future is them and we should stop being distracted by the perceived need to work our offense through the big man. [/quote]
Do you mean the Nova game where Jesse has 21 and 11 and got 12 field goal attempts (hitting 8 of them) to lead us to victory? Your obvious angle on disliking Jesse doesn't allow you to just alter facts. If you think the answer to trying to win three games in three days is to hope we get back to back to back good performances from both our freshman guards when stringing two together in a row has been a challenge, you are kidding yourself. We can either work to get Jesse involved as much as possible so that we can try to run the table or we can run your strategy and hope to come out with one win this week. Our freshman guards are going to get their shots because they have the ball in their hands and they aren't afraid to look for their own shot. To try to turn Jesse into a screening, rebounding afterthought on offense is one of the more foolish strategies I've seen suggesed on this board. He isn't going to turn into Alonzo on defense overnight so let's just limit the portion of the game where we have a real advantage over the other team. I think I can hear Pat working that into his gameplan as we speak...c'mon.
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Post by prhoya on Mar 12, 2019 13:20:30 GMT -5
We saw against Marquette and Nova that when our frosh are allowed to do their thing we can beat anyone in this league. Our future is them and we should stop being distracted by the perceived need to work our offense through the big man. [/quote] Do you mean the Nova game where Jesse has 21 and 11 and got 12 field goal attempts (hitting 8 of them) to lead us to victory? Your obvious angle on disliking Jesse doesn't allow you to just alter facts. If you think the answer to trying to win three games in three days is to hope we get back to back to back good performances from both our freshman guards when stringing two together in a row has been a challenge, you are kidding yourself. We can either work to get Jesse involved as much as possible so that we can try to run the table or we can run your strategy and hope to come out with one win this week. Our freshman guards are going to get their shots because they have the ball in their hands and they aren't afraid to look for their own shot. To try to turn Jesse into a screening, rebounding afterthought on offense is one of the more foolish strategies I've seen suggesed on this board. He isn't going to turn into Alonzo on defense overnight so let's just limit the portion of the game where we have a real advantage over the other team. I think I can hear Pat working that into his gameplan as we speak...c'mon. [/quote] The strategy should be "all hands on deck". We're deeper than most of the BE teams. Use it.
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Post by HOYAPLAYA on Mar 12, 2019 13:23:43 GMT -5
We saw against Marquette and Nova that when our frosh are allowed to do their thing we can beat anyone in this league. Our future is them and we should stop being distracted by the perceived need to work our offense through the big man. Do you mean the Nova game where Jesse has 21 and 11 and got 12 field goal attempts (hitting 8 of them) to lead us to victory? Your obvious angle on disliking Jesse doesn't allow you to just alter facts. If you think the answer to trying to win three games in three days is to hope we get back to back to back good performances from both our freshman guards when stringing two together in a row has been a challenge, you are kidding yourself. We can either work to get Jesse involved as much as possible so that we can try to run the table or we can run your strategy and hope to come out with one win this week. Our freshman guards are going to get their shots because they have the ball in their hands and they aren't afraid to look for their own shot. To try to turn Jesse into a screening, rebounding afterthought on offense is one of the more foolish strategies I've seen suggesed on this board. He isn't going to turn into Alonzo on defense overnight so let's just limit the portion of the game where we have a real advantage over the other team. I think I can hear Pat working that into his gameplan as we speak...c'mon. [/quote] The strategy should be "all hands on deck". We're deeper than most of the BE teams. Use it.[/quote] Exactly!
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Post by kettlehill on Mar 12, 2019 13:56:11 GMT -5
My impression is that Jessie has been pretty consistent in his career, especially the last two years. His last two games have been pretty nasty( in fact, you could say three games). What I am suggesting is that he is due for a couple of “Jessie games” e.g. 20 +points, 10 + rebounds. He is a NYC kid after all, time to shine.
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Post by mdtd on Mar 12, 2019 14:34:50 GMT -5
Have to play well, have to play hard and have to play smart. Hall is on fire and is a very good team. If Powell cools off, I can see us winning this game pretty easily. But, that's a big if. He will score, but will he be doing it easily. It's do or die time.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Mar 12, 2019 15:01:19 GMT -5
The strategy should be "all hands on deck". We're deeper than most of the BE teams. Use it. Exactly. We really need a game where Jessie drops 20, McClung and Akinjo both have solid games, and we get contributions from others. That's the type of performance that isn't extremely likely given our team's inconsistency, but that needs to be the goal. If that happens, we could beat any team in the BET. I realize that Govan has had a few bad games, but he scored over 20 points in half of our games (9 of the games). He's only had three games that I would consider "bad" (DePaul 6 points, Villanova 0 points, Creighton 9). Even against Marquette he had 10 points. In conference, the guy is shooting 39.4% from three (he's over 40% on the year), his defensive rebounding rate is actually pretty good, and he barely turns it over. I realize some people simply don't like him at this point, but the answer isn't to just let the freshman have at it. I will say that it does depend in part on officiating and fouls. If Govan picks up early fouls, he's essentially taking himself out of the game, which he really needs to avoid. It's hard to get into a rhythm when you're riding the pine.
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Post by mdtd on Mar 12, 2019 15:09:33 GMT -5
The strategy should be "all hands on deck". We're deeper than most of the BE teams. Use it. Exactly. We really need a game where Jessie drops 20, McClung and Akinjo both have solid games, and we get contributions from others. That's the type of performance that isn't extremely likely given our team's inconsistency, but that needs to be the goal. If that happens, we could beat any team in the BET. I realize that Govan has had a few bad games, but he scored over 20 points in half of our games (9 of the games). He's only had three games that I would consider "bad" (DePaul 6 points, Villanova 0 points, Creighton 9). Even against Marquette he had 10 points. In conference, the guy is shooting 39.4% from three (he's over 40% on the year), his defensive rebounding rate is actually pretty good, and he barely turns it over. I realize some people simply don't like him at this point, but the answer isn't to just let the freshman have at it. I will say that it does depend in part on officiating and fouls. If Govan picks up early fouls, he's essentially taking himself out of the game, which he really needs to avoid. It's hard to get into a rhythm when you're riding the pine. The defense is what most people don't like about Jessie, obviously. He's an excellent offensive player. I feel that most of his minutes need to be with Josh as Josh has no problem being that enforcer inside while Govan is more of the finesse guy. Even recently, Josh has gotten in guys faces and shown he's afraid of nobody and that's a perfect partner to a guy like Jessie, so long as they both can stay out of foul trouble.
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Post by drquigley on Mar 12, 2019 15:56:30 GMT -5
We saw against Marquette and Nova that when our frosh are allowed to do their thing we can beat anyone in this league. Our future is them and we should stop being distracted by the perceived need to work our offense through the big man. [/quote] Do you mean the Nova game where Jesse has 21 and 11 and got 12 field goal attempts (hitting 8 of them) to lead us to victory? Your obvious angle on disliking Jesse doesn't allow you to just alter facts. If you think the answer to trying to win three games in three days is to hope we get back to back to back good performances from both our freshman guards when stringing two together in a row has been a challenge, you are kidding yourself. We can either work to get Jesse involved as much as possible so that we can try to run the table or we can run your strategy and hope to come out with one win this week. Our freshman guards are going to get their shots because they have the ball in their hands and they aren't afraid to look for their own shot. To try to turn Jesse into a screening, rebounding afterthought on offense is one of the more foolish strategies I've seen suggesed on this board. He isn't going to turn into Alonzo on defense overnight so let's just limit the portion of the game where we have a real advantage over the other team. I think I can hear Pat working that into his gameplan as we speak...c'mon. [/quote] No I mean the first Nova game where he had no points or the Seton Hall game where he had no points through 40 minutes. Maybe I overdid it but my point is that we have to stop focusing on Govan and trying to force feed him the ball (especially when he's facing athletic big men) and instead run our offense through our "All BE" freshmen. I don't see how you could watch the Marquette game and not realize that these are the guys who we will live and die with. And yes I do think we can get back to back to back performances from them.
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