smokeyjack
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Post by smokeyjack on Feb 14, 2019 11:13:14 GMT -5
That’s exactly the kind of battered fan spin I’m talking about. We absolutely won’t be younger next year. At most, we’ll be starting one frosh, instead of three. Of the four seniors you named, only one is integral, though Kaleb and GSnow have played their roles. Pretty much every team in the country has 1-2 frosh in their 7-player rotation. If you have 5-6 vets (guys who have played substantial minutes before at D1 level), you are not a young team. Completely disagree. I’m going with facts. We will be younger next year and have another unbalanced roster. Pat needs to balance it with a grad and/or immediately available junior or senior transfer. Forgot to address your blue chippers? Can't believe you made me actually do this. Last night's players 4 stars or better according to ESPN. Not only does our current roster feature nearly twice as many as Seton Hall (7-4), but they aren't all stacked at one position. We are doing less with more. I'm going with facts: Seton Hall (4stars) - Powell (#19 SG), Cale (#17 SG), Manuel (#17 C) and Nelson (#19 SG) GU (4 stars) - Akinjo (#26 PG), LeBlanc (#26 PF), Carter (#18 C), Pickett (#17 PF), Mosley (#30 SG), Govan (#11 C), Johnson (#19 SF) How you going to spin that PR?
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Feb 14, 2019 11:21:42 GMT -5
Any player whose ranking is above 100 is not a "blue chipper". Our recruits have certainly as a group had more top 30 rankings at their high school position, but let's not expand the definition of a blue chip recruit to make the point.
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Post by SSHoya on Feb 14, 2019 11:22:52 GMT -5
I agree. I guess I'm just utterly disgusted by our defense at the end of the day. Akinjo is a decent on ball defender, Mac is not good on D right now. Akinjo and Mac are not good as off ball defenders at all and get lost constantly. I guess I can expect some improvement in this regard next year but I doubt it will be enough. Jagan is a decent defender but makes too many mistakes/blocking fouls on the defensive end and I don't expect this to improve. Also every player on this team goes for the shot fake and cannot keep ball in front of them and that leads to easy drives since we have no rim protector. Pickett is really the only player where I am somewhat confident about his defensive talent and effort on the perimeter at this point in the season. One player, just one! Rim protection should improve a little next year but again our bigs next year will be freshmen and we can't expect the world out of them. I understand this all seems dramatic and I am giving off a sky-is-falling vibe but someone please tell me how we can expect our defense to be better next season! The big who will play the most next season will be Yurtseven, I'm sure he'll be better than Govan defensively but I wouldn't expect high level rim protection... Off topic but I hope Yurtseven gets his housing squared away! Ömer Yurtseven, 20, a junior from Uzbekistan, was lugging boxes Wednesday afternoon along O Street from his room to a sport-utility vehicle. “It’s an unavoidable situation,” said Yurtseven, a center on the Hoyas basketball team. “The hotel is nice. There’s nothing I can do, so why worry?” www.washingtonpost.com/education/2019/02/13/worries-about-apartment-roof-safety-force-georgetown-students-relocate/?utm_term=.51fbc7911ef6
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Feb 14, 2019 11:26:07 GMT -5
Telling stat: Starting guards Mackinjo: 1 assist Malinowski and Mosely: 9 assists (4 and 5) Yep, our frosh guards have hit the wall. Although I have had this thought myself, on further thought - kids play year round in junior high and high school these days, sometimes 3 or 4 games over a long weekend at tourneys. Of course the college game is more intense on the whole, but should they really be "hitting the wall"? Or is it more that after 15-20 games, opponents can scout the strengths and weaknesses, and players, especially younger ones, either can't or won't make adjustments?
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Post by SSHoya on Feb 14, 2019 11:34:55 GMT -5
Yep, our frosh guards have hit the wall. Although I have had this thought myself, on further thought - kids play year round in junior high and high school these days, sometimes 3 or 4 games over a long weekend at tourneys. Of course the college game is more intense on the whole, but should they really be "hitting the wall"? Or is it more that after 15-20 games, opponents can scout the strengths and weaknesses, and players, especially younger ones, either can't or won't make adjustments? While I used Maryland as an example of a young team not hitting the wall, I think I read that its freshman class is the #1 ranked recruiting class in the Big Ten and #7 nationally. Maybe it's just talent level? Maryland is having a good season with a "young" team with a coach who's been under pressure as a "good recruit, bad in-game coach" reputation by his critics.
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Post by iheartdurenbros on Feb 14, 2019 11:42:33 GMT -5
Although I have had this thought myself, on further thought - kids play year round in junior high and high school these days, sometimes 3 or 4 games over a long weekend at tourneys. Of course the college game is more intense on the whole, but should they really be "hitting the wall"? Or is it more that after 15-20 games, opponents can scout the strengths and weaknesses, and players, especially younger ones, either can't or won't make adjustments? While I used Maryland as an example of a young team not hitting the wall, I think I read that its freshman class is the #1 ranked recruiting class in the Big Ten and #7 nationally. Maybe it's just talent level? Maryland is having a good season with a "young" team with a coach who's been under pressure as a "good recruit, bad in-game coach" reputation by his critics. Its point guard Anthony Cowan, a junior, is one of the best players in the Big 10. He had some growing pains as an underclassman as well.
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Post by SSHoya on Feb 14, 2019 11:44:40 GMT -5
While I used Maryland as an example of a young team not hitting the wall, I think I read that its freshman class is the #1 ranked recruiting class in the Big Ten and #7 nationally. Maybe it's just talent level? Maryland is having a good season with a "young" team with a coach who's been under pressure as a "good recruit, bad in-game coach" reputation by his critics. Its point guard Anthony Cowan, a junior, is one of the best players in the Big 10. He had some growing pains as an underclassman as well. Fair point but 5 of the 8 rotation players are frosh. But a good point since he is the PG.
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Post by sweetness on Feb 14, 2019 11:45:58 GMT -5
Maryland has a junior starting point guard vs. our all-freshmen backcourt - that's a huge difference. But Fernando is also all around much better than Govan.
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Post by johnnysnowplow on Feb 14, 2019 11:56:57 GMT -5
A big reason for this is our porous defense. It makes opposing guards look great because we don't defend them well. If McClung regularly played against defenses as horrible as ours, he'd probably look a lot better too. I agree. I guess I'm just utterly disgusted by our defense at the end of the day. Akinjo is a decent on ball defender, Mac is not good on D right now. Akinjo and Mac are not good as off ball defenders at all and get lost constantly. I guess I can expect some improvement in this regard next year but I doubt it will be enough. Jagan is a decent defender but makes too many mistakes/blocking fouls on the defensive end and I don't expect this to improve. Also every player on this team goes for the shot fake and cannot keep ball in front of them and that leads to easy drives since we have no rim protector. Pickett is really the only player where I am somewhat confident about his defensive talent and effort on the perimeter at this point in the season. One player, just one! Rim protection should improve a little next year but again our bigs next year will be freshmen and we can't expect the world out of them. I understand this all seems dramatic and I am giving off a sky-is-falling vibe but someone please tell me how we can expect our defense to be better next season!Because rim protection has a funny way of making subpar perimeter defense look passable. I don’t care who takes the minutes at C next year, but whatever the combination is, those guys cannot possibly provide less defensive resistance than Govan and Mourning.
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Post by centercourt400s on Feb 14, 2019 11:59:37 GMT -5
Completely disagree. I’m going with facts. We will be younger next year and have another unbalanced roster. Pat needs to balance it with a grad and/or immediately available junior or senior transfer. Forgot to address your blue chippers? Can't believe you made me actually do this. Last night's players 4 stars or better according to ESPN. Not only does our current roster feature nearly twice as many as Seton Hall (7-4), but they aren't all stacked at one position. We are doing less with more. I'm going with facts: Seton Hall (4stars) - Powell (#19 SG), Cale (#17 SG), Manuel (#17 C) and Nelson (#19 SG) GU (4 stars) - Akinjo (#26 PG), LeBlanc (#26 PF), Carter (#18 C), Pickett (#17 PF), Mosley (#30 SG), Govan (#11 C), Johnson (#19 SF) How you going to spin that PR?
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Post by EtomicB on Feb 14, 2019 12:24:31 GMT -5
Can't believe you made me actually do this. Last night's players 4 stars or better according to ESPN. Not only does our current roster feature nearly twice as many as Seton Hall (7-4), but they aren't all stacked at one position. We are doing less with more. I'm going with facts: Seton Hall (4stars) - Powell (#19 SG), Cale (#17 SG), Manuel (#17 C) and Nelson (#19 SG) GU (4 stars) - Akinjo (#26 PG), LeBlanc (#26 PF), Carter (#18 C), Pickett (#17 PF), Mosley (#30 SG), Govan (#11 C), Johnson (#19 SF) How you going to spin that PR? Manuel left their program but he was listed as the #17 Center by Rivals... His not being at SH helps the point Smokey was making...
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Post by centercourt400s on Feb 14, 2019 12:40:20 GMT -5
Manuel left their program but he was listed as the #17 Center by Rivals... His not being at SH helps the point Smokey was making... The point was made regarding "last night's players" and that guy not only didn't play but isn't even a member of the team. So I'm supposed to find the rest of the info credible? Not an attack on smokeyjack, because it is entirely possible he's got a valid point to be considered, but as soon as amazingly inaccurate data is used to make that point it all goes down the drain as far as I'm concerned.
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Post by jwp91 on Feb 14, 2019 12:49:56 GMT -5
This is all irrelevant. Powell was a freaking stud last night. Other guys played well, but he was the difference maker. Not having watched Seton Hall play, I am curious how they lost 6 conference games.
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Post by iheartdurenbros on Feb 14, 2019 12:58:53 GMT -5
This is all irrelevant. Powell was a freaking stud last night. Other guys played well, but he was the difference maker. Not having watched Seton Hall play, I am curious how they lost 6 conference games. Powell gave by far the best performance against the Hoyas of any player this season. If I were a Seton Hall fan, I would be scratching my head about the way they opened conference play. They played tough and well in December, but looked pretty lethargic once BE play started. It does seem that they returned to form just in time for a run. To me, the most difficult thing to swallow about last night was not the defense, but the rebounding. The Hoyas just gave up and watched.
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Post by professorhoya on Feb 14, 2019 13:12:49 GMT -5
This is all irrelevant. Powell was a freaking stud last night. Other guys played well, but he was the difference maker. Not having watched Seton Hall play, I am curious how they lost 6 conference games. Powell gave by far the best performance against the Hoyas of any player this season. If I were a Seton Hall fan, I would be scratching my head about the way they opened conference play. They played tough and well in December, but looked pretty lethargic once BE play started. It does seem that they returned to form just in time for a run. To me, the most difficult thing to swallow about last night was not the defense, but the rebounding. The Hoyas just gave up and watched. Hey it was his Tre Campbell moment. Sometimes these things happen.
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Post by EtomicB on Feb 14, 2019 13:15:18 GMT -5
Manuel left their program but he was listed as the #17 Center by Rivals... His not being at SH helps the point Smokey was making... The point was made regarding "last night's players" and that guy not only didn't play but isn't even a member of the team. So I'm supposed to find the rest of the info credible? Not an attack on smokeyjack, because it is entirely possible he's got a valid point to be considered, but as soon as amazingly inaccurate data is used to make that point it all goes down the toilet as far as I'm concerned. I took his reference to "last nights players" to mean "current" roster... That's a strange way to look at information in my view..
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Post by HoyaRejuveNation85 on Feb 14, 2019 13:21:15 GMT -5
We need a guy to clamp down on scoring guards, and a rim protector. Order me some Gene Smith and Dikembe clones and I'll be set.
Atrocious perimeter defense, particularly on one guy lighting us up (DFW is right about it being a theme this year), no rim protection, second shot opportunities, poor shooting of our own and you have the makings of a blow out. Not much Patrick can do about the first couple of things right now, so he smartly called out the team for its lack of effort. I think we are making progress, but are missing key pieces. I like that we are recruiting guys with motors and some dawg in them. Long overdue. Patrick will get it right.
The sun will rise tomorrow.
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Post by EtomicB on Feb 14, 2019 13:37:40 GMT -5
This is all irrelevant. Powell was a freaking stud last night. Other guys played well, but he was the difference maker. Not having watched Seton Hall play, I am curious how they lost 6 conference games. I really felt he'd be a productive player in college and I wanted JT3/staff to push harder for him.. However, I didn't think he'd be this good... Willard does a good job in developing players...
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Feb 14, 2019 13:40:02 GMT -5
I really think you guys are overselling rim protection. Sure, it would be great to have a great defensive center with some rim protection. A plus defender at center will help, but it's not going to change the fact that our guys are clueless on rotations and have no idea where to be.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Feb 14, 2019 13:44:29 GMT -5
While I appreciate Ewing's candor, why isn't the team ready to play? The sports journalists did not ask of course.
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