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Post by guru on Feb 11, 2019 15:56:43 GMT -5
all we can go on at this point is how the team has looked this season. I 'm just not sure how helpful it is to look toward a potential late-season collapse to hold out "hope" that one's definitive statement that this is clearly the worst team since 2004 (it's not, by the way, and neither was last year's team) will be proven accurate. Other than in your mind, nobody is holding out hope toward a late-season collapse to prove a statement right. As I already said, I already think the team isn't the worst team since 2004 (and I never used the word "clearly" either), so there's nothing to even prove. You're just off-base on this one. I realize you're having trouble leting it go, but you're not getting anywhere with this. How about this? Put down the spreadsheet, watch the team play, quit combing through KenPom stats that you don't even understand and can't apply correctly, and enjoy the first truly fun season of Georgetown basketball in quite some time?
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Post by LCPolo18 on Feb 11, 2019 16:00:52 GMT -5
Considering the Hoyas lost 9 of their last 11 games last season under Ewing, I think with at least 8 games left this season means that the jury is still out. As someone else wrote this morning, coming into the season they felt that progress would be shown by "NIT, 8 or 9 wins in the BE and 20 wins". All three of those goals are definitely attainable, but certainly not guaranteed at this very moment. If you're just talking about how the team has looked, I agree that the talent and quality of play has been better this season, but that only goes so far with convincing people that don't watch every game that the team is making progress. all we can go on at this point is how the team has looked this season. I'm just not sure how helpful it is to look toward a potential late-season collapse to hold out "hope" that one's definitive statement that this is clearly the worst team since 2004 (it's not, by the way, and neither was last year's team) will be proven accurate. So you have no doubt that this team will achieve the goals of "NIT, 8 or 9 wins in the BE and 20 wins"? I mean, I'm probably the most optimistic Hoya fan among my classmates and I don't feel 100% confident that the team will reach those goals.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Feb 11, 2019 16:04:48 GMT -5
Other than in your mind, nobody is holding out hope toward a late-season collapse to prove a statement right. As I already said, I already think the team isn't the worst team since 2004 (and I never used the word "clearly" either), so there's nothing to even prove. You're just off-base on this one. I realize you're having trouble leting it go, but you're not getting anywhere with this. How about this? Put down the spreadsheet, watch the team play, quit combing through KenPom stats that you don't even understand and can't apply correctly, and enjoy the first truly fun season of Georgetown basketball in quite some time? Thanks for the tips on fandom. Much appreciated.
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Post by seaweed on Feb 11, 2019 16:11:42 GMT -5
How about this? Put down the spreadsheet, watch the team play, quit combing through KenPom stats that you don't even understand and can't apply correctly, and enjoy the first truly fun season of Georgetown basketball in quite some time? Thanks for the tips on fandom. Much appreciated. Get a room gentlemen, or use the DM function. Either way, nobody cares about your little tit for tat. Repeat - NOBODY!
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Post by madgesiq92 on Feb 11, 2019 16:17:04 GMT -5
Other than in your mind, nobody is holding out hope toward a late-season collapse to prove a statement right. As I already said, I already think the team isn't the worst team since 2004 (and I never used the word "clearly" either), so there's nothing to even prove. You're just off-base on this one. I realize you're having trouble leting it go, but you're not getting anywhere with this. How about this? Put down the spreadsheet, watch the team play, quit combing through KenPom stats that you don't even understand and can't apply correctly, and enjoy the first truly fun season of Georgetown basketball in quite some time? Guru is the old scout in Moneyball: "I like Perez. He's got a classy swing. A real clean stroke." In this day and age, anyone who relies on the eye test over advanced analytics in any sport is a dinosaur, although I love playing against them in the betting pools. Dumb money.
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Post by guru on Feb 11, 2019 16:18:32 GMT -5
all we can go on at this point is how the team has looked this season. I'm just not sure how helpful it is to look toward a potential late-season collapse to hold out "hope" that one's definitive statement that this is clearly the worst team since 2004 (it's not, by the way, and neither was last year's team) will be proven accurate. So you have no doubt that this team will achieve the goals of "NIT, 8 or 9 wins in the BE and 20 wins"? I mean, I'm probably the most optimistic Hoya fan among my classmates and I don't feel 100% confident that the team will reach those goals. I'm pretty certain they'll get to 8 or 9 wins and make the NIT, yes. They need Govan to wake up and play smarter, but I think they are good enough to beat anyone left on their schedule (@marquette possibly excepted). Maybe the Monroe team that somehow managed to get blown out by Ohio in the tourney was the last time I felt like that down the stretch.
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Post by johnnysnowplow on Feb 11, 2019 16:39:41 GMT -5
Thanks for the tips on fandom. Much appreciated. Get a room gentlemen, or use the DM function. Either way, nobody cares about your little tit for tat. Repeat - NOBODY! For some odd reason I’m actually kind of enjoying this one
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Post by professorhoya on Feb 11, 2019 20:02:38 GMT -5
Other than in your mind, nobody is holding out hope toward a late-season collapse to prove a statement right. As I already said, I already think the team isn't the worst team since 2004 (and I never used the word "clearly" either), so there's nothing to even prove. You're just off-base on this one. I realize you're having trouble leting it go, but you're not getting anywhere with this. How about this? Put down the spreadsheet, watch the team play, quit combing through KenPom stats that you don't even understand and can't apply correctly, and enjoy the first truly fun season of Georgetown basketball in quite some time? Put down the KenPoms and pick up the PomPom's. Just kidding.
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Post by LCPolo18 on Feb 11, 2019 23:39:46 GMT -5
From Rob Dauster’s article later today on the topic: “5. THE BUBBLE IS THE WORST IT’S EVER BEEN I know you hear this every year, and I have been trying to avoid writing this for as long as possible, but I can’t do it anymore. The bubble is just absolutely atrocious this year, as bad as it has ever been. The reason I am bringing it up now is because two more at-large spots opened up in our latest bracket projection — the team in first place in the league standings is granted the auto-bid, and with VCU and Buffalo moving back into first place, the Atlantic 10 and MAC once again morphed into one-bid leagues. This is where we stand: Georgetown, who ranks 78th in the NET, who has beaten just a single top 50 team (St. John’s, who is 49th, on the road) and who has three Q1 wins, a 7-7 record against Q1 and Q2 and two Q3 losses, is our first team out. UCF, who is 0-2 against Q1 teams and whose best win is Alabama (43) at home, is an at-large team. Oklahoma, who is 15-9 overall, 3-8 in the Big 12 and has lost four in a row and six of eight, is in the tournament largely due to the fact that a home win over Wofford is a Q1 win. Indiana, Providence, Florida, Creighton. These teams are all somehow still in the tournament conversation, and it is baffling. We have to get to 68 teams somehow. And it is going to get ugly.”
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Post by RockawayHoya on Feb 12, 2019 9:22:45 GMT -5
Oklahoma lost again last night too. I get we don't have the greatest profile, but the day a 3-9 B12 team makes it ahead of us is the day hell will freeze over, computer numbers and other metrics be damned.
We've been included in the field on a 2nd bracket on the Matrix, so despite the Butler loss we're still trending slightly upwards vs. our fellow bubble teams. A win tomorrow could easily have us swapping places with the Hall in many brackets as they are the last team or 2nd to last team in right now in many projections.
Today's bubble games:
7th to last team in: Alabama at. Miss. St. (Alabama probably closer to a 10 than 11 seed at this point but a loss won't help them escape the cut line) 1st Four Out: Butler at St. John's (probably rooting for the Johnnies here to solidify a 3rd bid for the BE and help us swap spots with Butler who is currently the first team out) 1st Four Out: Davidson at Fordham (a loss could pop their bubble for good)
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Post by BeantownHoya on Feb 12, 2019 10:05:18 GMT -5
Also wouldnt hurt to have Arkansas lose today. We are probably ahead of them but their right behind us and a loss at Mizzou tonight should bury their chances at an at large...
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Post by jwp91 on Feb 12, 2019 11:05:42 GMT -5
Just get in, baby! I don’t care how ugly it looks.
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Post by LCPolo18 on Feb 12, 2019 23:53:15 GMT -5
Oklahoma lost again last night too. I get we don't have the greatest profile, but the day a 3-9 B12 team makes it ahead of us is the day hell will freeze over, computer numbers and other metrics be damned. We've been included in the field on a 2nd bracket on the Matrix, so despite the Butler loss we're still trending slightly upwards vs. our fellow bubble teams. A win tomorrow could easily have us swapping places with the Hall in many brackets as they are the last team or 2nd to last team in right now in many projections. Today's bubble games: 7th to last team in: Alabama at. Miss. St. (Alabama probably closer to a 10 than 11 seed at this point but a loss won't help them escape the cut line) 1st Four Out: Butler at St. John's (probably rooting for the Johnnies here to solidify a 3rd bid for the BE and help us swap spots with Butler who is currently the first team out) 1st Four Out: Davidson at Fordham (a loss could pop their bubble for good) Alabama, Arkansas, Texas, and Butler all lost. Davidson and Buffalo won.
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Post by DanMcQ on Feb 13, 2019 8:54:51 GMT -5
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Post by jwp91 on Feb 13, 2019 9:35:36 GMT -5
I believe.
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Post by bigelephant on Feb 13, 2019 9:44:55 GMT -5
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Post by mdtd on Feb 13, 2019 22:04:09 GMT -5
NIT? That was a must win and this team isn't taking the next two games, plus this one hurt the metrics a ton. NIT possible?
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Feb 13, 2019 22:44:57 GMT -5
NIT? That was a must win and this team isn't taking the next two games, plus this one hurt the metrics a ton. NIT possible? Yeah time to change the thread title. If we play like this the next 3 weeks the season will end on Wednesday at the BET.
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Post by mdtd on Feb 13, 2019 22:53:28 GMT -5
NIT? That was a must win and this team isn't taking the next two games, plus this one hurt the metrics a ton. NIT possible? Yeah time to change the thread title. If we play like this the next 3 weeks the season will end on Wednesday at the BET. Oh please, not that Wednesday. One of my main hopes was to avoid that game. I'd be very disappointed in this team if we play on that Wednesday. Also, I want some postseason play for the first time in a long time. Please, Hoyas pick it up... I can't handle that Wednesday and no postseason play again. My brain can't do that.
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Post by RockawayHoya on Feb 13, 2019 23:07:21 GMT -5
So the play and results to this point in the season don’t represent any progress or good results? You’re still holding out for more proof? Really? I get your dogged allegiance to propping up JT3 but it’s getting really tiresome. Considering the Hoyas lost 9 of their last 11 games last season under Ewing, I think with at least 8 games left this season means that the jury is still out. As someone else wrote this morning, coming into the season they felt that progress would be shown by "NIT, 8 or 9 wins in the BE and 20 wins". All three of those goals are definitely attainable, but certainly not guaranteed at this very moment. If you're just talking about how the team has looked, I agree that the talent and quality of play has been better this season, but that only goes so far with convincing people that don't watch every game that the team is making progress. With the regression we've seen the last 2 games, I think it can certainly be argued that the odds of "making progress" are substantially declining. And I'm not in the camp that believes 8-10 qualifies because it's almost certainly not getting us in the NIT.
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