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Post by hoyalove4ever on Jan 23, 2019 8:55:25 GMT -5
We all knew or should have known that any turnaround would take a long time and be years in the making. Are people really freaking out after less than two seasons?
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Post by hoyainla on Jan 23, 2019 10:44:36 GMT -5
What exactly is the process that we are trusting in this case? The original "trust the process" was the 76rs idea of tanking to give them the best chance of landing the best upcoming players. In college that is obviously not the case although trying to obtain the best upcoming talent is the goal.
Most would agree on here that a couple of things attract recruits. The first being $/connections which we don't appear to be participating in. The second is winning which we haven't had much luck with lately. The third is playing an open style that gets guys numbers. Pat has definitley instituted this.
So far the results of getting the best players have been mixed. Pat has won a couple of contested recruiting battles with I think the toughest being the two late decommits. He appears to be a great "pick up the pieces" recruiter but he has yet to pull that traditional great player where he had to start from scratch. With Josh he had Owens who basically hand delivered him. Not having connections makes it very hard to land recruits so I'm not necessarily marking this as a blemish against Pat per se. The fact is if you aren't willing to play the "game" and you have no connections you're chances at success are greatly hampered.
So what can he do to fix this and get better talent so we can start winning? I think #1 is getting new assistants. I have no idea what the point of having Orr is as he couldn't even deliver the one recruit we desperately needed. Waheed got us Greg which is good but not sure much else. Kirby got us Carter which is OK but not enough to keep your job. Wallace I assume was brought in to help the guards and while he is on the recruiting trail I don't think he has been responsible for any recruits. I may be wrong here but point is none have really delivered any impact players. As I. Let's early in the season none of these guys seem to be helping with in game strategy which we desperately need as well.
#2 I think Pat may need to really focus on the transfer game. As I said he seems to be a great "pick up the pieces" recruiter so let's take advantage of that. He has already landed one big prize in Yurt7. I hope we get another few tramsfers this year and ever year from here on out. I have mentioned on here how much I love Musselman's approach and I think it would serve us well here as well. At the very least until we start should do it until we start winning although I think with the amount of transfers these days it's a viable strategy long term. I know there are those here that still believe in the build the team through traditional recruits but that is very hard these days because the transfer epidemic.
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Post by oldbigeast on Jan 23, 2019 12:03:38 GMT -5
What exactly is the process that we are trusting in this case? The original "trust the process" was the 76rs idea of tanking to give them the best chance of landing the best upcoming players. In college that is obviously not the case although trying to obtain the best upcoming talent is the goal. Most would agree on here that a couple of things attract recruits. The first being $/connections which we don't appear to be participating in. The second is winning which we haven't had much luck with lately. The third is playing an open style that gets guys numbers. Pat has definitley instituted this.
So far the results of getting the best players have been mixed. Pat has won a couple of contested recruiting battles with I think the toughest being the two late decommits. He appears to be a great "pick up the pieces" recruiter but he has yet to pull that traditional great player where he had to start from scratch. With Josh he had Owens who basically hand delivered him. Not having connections makes it very hard to land recruits so I'm not necessarily marking this as a blemish against Pat per se. The fact is if you aren't willing to play the "game" and you have no connections you're chances at success are greatly hampered. So what can he do to fix this and get better talent so we can start winning? I think #1 is getting new assistants. I have no idea what the point of having Orr is as he couldn't even deliver the one recruit we desperately needed. Waheed got us Greg which is good but not sure much else. Kirby got us Carter which is OK but not enough to keep your job. Wallace I assume was brought in to help the guards and while he is on the recruiting trail I don't think he has been responsible for any recruits. I may be wrong here but point is none have really delivered any impact players. As I. Let's early in the season none of these guys seem to be helping with in game strategy which we desperately need as well. #2 I think Pat may need to really focus on the transfer game. As I said he seems to be a great "pick up the pieces" recruiter so let's take advantage of that. He has already landed one big prize in Yurt7. I hope we get another few tramsfers this year and ever year from here on out. I have mentioned on here how much I love Musselman's approach and I think it would serve us well here as well. At the very least until we start should do it until we start winning although I think with the amount of transfers these days it's a viable strategy long term. I know there are those here that still believe in the build the team through traditional recruits but that is very hard these days because the transfer epidemic. This is moreso what my OP was in reference to. I think that Ewing could slow the game down and try to coach every possession like it's the last to fight to win every game. Of course our goal is to win every game and we aren't tanking on purpose but, playing uptempo, playing primarily man with the big hedging and recovering. He could coach this team differently to give it a better chance to win more games. Instead he is going with a style that would be more appealing to getting more talent in the door. To me it feels like "Trust the process" at the college level.
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Post by NCHoya on Jan 23, 2019 12:21:36 GMT -5
I hate to do this....but prepare for transfers this off season from one or more of the current underclassman. I can't get into it, but all is not well. Winning will turn things around...but we should be concerned if the season stays on the current trajectory. Not surprised, and probably my biggest fear going forward. It is fairly obvious to anyone who follows the team that there are underlying issues. The body language is hard to ignore both toward the coach and other players. I am sure Ewing's random substitution patterns are not helping matters either. Ewing will be judged based not only on his recruiting, but also his ability to retain and develop players. That is ultimately what did in JT3. I also think that the assistant coaches bare this responsibility as well. The head coach can play the role of hard ass, but the assistants typically keep the relationship with the players strong. At best, I am skeptical about our assistants - I do not see much Xs and Os discussions, recruitng is obviously not flourishing right now and players continue to get benched for doing stupid things.
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Post by NCHoya on Jan 23, 2019 12:29:49 GMT -5
Where you are on Ewing is most likely dependent on your assessment of the talent on the team. For me, I think the talent level, especially once you incorporate the age of the players involved, is very low. Similar to last year, and honestly, the last two years may be most similar to the end of the Esherick era, in the one year with Gerald Riley and no Mike Sweetney. One real upper classman of talent (Riley, who is nowhere near as good as Govan), three promising sophs (Bowman, Cook and Owens) and a floppy-haired freshman guard from a Southern state (Causey). OK, Causey was pretty low impact, but he was a freshman PG, which is key for this discussion. Players like Courtland Freeman, Ray Reed, Dizdarevic and the Irish-African Assassin, Amadou Kilkenny-Diaw played good minutes but gave little overall. The sophomores and frosh had flashes of brilliance but weren't really net positives. One upperclassman can't carry a team. This team has more talent than that, if only because Govan > Riley and LeBlanc is better than most frosh. But it's pretty close. If you disagree with me on this, no doubt you are seriously questioning Ewing. If you are roundabouts on my opinion, it's easier to trust the process. What I see from Coach: 1. I think his offensive system and play calls are fine. It's clear players aren't executing what he wants, but there's enough strong execution and smart plays to make me think that while he might not be the best schemer out there, that he's not incompetent. 2. I think his skill development skills are pretty good. I admit I base this mostly on Govan and Derrickson and even early development of Josh and Mac -- Pickett is the one player who has taken a step back, but I'm going with the averages. No one bats 1.000. 3. I'm uncertain, amazingly about his defensive chops. I expected more. 4. See above for motivation. This team takes more breaks than I'd like. 5. Recruiting-wise, I think he's been very good at talent evaluation. Despite Pickett's struggles offensively, I think everyone he's recruited has looked as good or better than their rankings. he's also closed on some quality recruits but also missed on some others. Not a superstar on conversion, but not terrible. This class will be telling. All in all, I would put Patrick at a B. Lots of positives, promising, but no home run yet. But I can see that if you have a different feel for our talent, the grade is going to be much lower. I just think we need to get to a place where we have more than one or two players who is reliably above average in more than three out of every four games. Right now, I've got Govan and Leblanc in that bucket. I agree with most of this. I think the following additional caveats bring the grade down some, however. 6. In-game clock management (using timeouts strategically, playing slower/smarter with the lead, etc.). We struggle badly here. Ewing has shown a pattern of not being able to use timeouts to get the correct people back in the game when the situation warrants it OR when we need to stop an opponent's run and break their momentum. We always seem to have multiple timeouts heading into the final minute when one of them could have been used earlier in a big spot. Also, a lot of these blown leads occur because we simply have no concept of milking the shot clock when score/time dictates that we should. I understand he wants the team to maintain an aggressive mentality, but there's a delicate balance between being aggressive and being smart and we're not there. 7. Substitution patterns and minutes distribution. Can you imagine if Esh had benched Bowman for the last 13 minutes of a game and in crunch time told Courtland Freeman to get in there and make something happen? Seems crazy to me too, but essentially that's what Pat did freezing out Leblanc and relying on Trey down the stretch. The fault of Pat's right now is that we're nearly 20 games in and still don't have a defined rotation. Guys have no idea what's expected of them from game to game, and especially for younger players that's a tough thing. Play calls and schemes aside, there's been several games this year where we have not had the right people on the floor at the right time. I get the experimenting earlier in the year, but there is no way the tinkering should still be going on at this point in the season. At this point he should know what he has. Yes, the talent and experience level on this team isn't great. But for Pat to have earned a B, he should've coaxed at least another two wins out of this group at this point in the season. It's not the talent/experience that has prohibited this team from earning those wins, it's been his decision making. I'll leave the assistants for a separate thread when the time comes, but you better believe their grade is worse than Pat's. #7 times 100. If I was on the team, I would be pretty frustrated with the way Pat distributes minutes.
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Post by hoyaboya on Jan 23, 2019 12:41:09 GMT -5
I hate to do this....but prepare for transfers this off season from one or more of the current underclassman. I can't get into it, but all is not well. Winning will turn things around...but we should be concerned if the season stays on the current trajectory. Not surprised, and probably my biggest fear going forward. It is fairly obvious to anyone who follows the team that there are underlying issues. The body language is hard to ignore both toward the coach and other players. I am sure Ewing's random substitution patterns are not helping matters either. Ewing will be judged based not only on his recruiting, but also his ability to retain and develop players. That is ultimately what did in JT3. I also think that the assistant coaches bare this responsibility as well. The head coach can play the role of hard ass, but the assistants typically keep the relationship with the players strong. At best, I am skeptical about our assistants - I do not see much Xs and Os discussions, recruitng is obviously not flourishing right now and players continue to get benched for doing stupid things. I know we're not supposed to talk about this stuff, but since the mods seem to be allowing the speculation for now, I'll just say that I think we/Patrick can survive underclassmen departures depending upon whom they are. To me, the most obvious candidate is Blair, who has seen his minutes decrease and has clearly been held out of games entirely - hard to see a high usage future for him with Akinjo and Mac a year behind him. I think he can be a really nice piece as a 3rd guard delivering instant offense off the bench, but not sure that I'd see that forest through the trees if I were him. I also think we can survive the departure of Grayson Carter if he is upset for some reason. However, I'd be surprised if he was a transfer candidate. Hard to imagine that he had high expectations of his role coming into this season based on his high school/AAU experience. That leaves Pickett, Akinjo, Mac and LeBlanc. Of those 3, the only 1 I can see being upset is Pickett. And honestly, I don't know how he could be upset with the coaching staff, who seem to be extremely willing to let him play through mistakes and give him every opportunity to succeed. That said, he doesn't appear too happy at times and it wouldn't surprise me if he transferred. He looks like a guy who thinks/has been told that he's better than he is. He really is Isaac Copeland 2.0. I could see him transferring somewhere, using the year off to hit the weights hard, and being a very effective 4-man at his next school. Similar to Blair, I think we could survive a Pickett departure, as his productivity could likely be replaced by somebody else (whether that's somebody already on the roster or a grad transfer/JUCO type). In baseball terms, Pickett doesn't actually provide a very high WAR, so the loss would be more of a PR problem than a production problem. Akinjo, Mac, and LeBlanc are all in a different category, IMO. If we were to lose any of these 3, it would be pretty disastrous for Ewing. For Mackinjo, given the minutes and PR provided to these 2, it would be an awful look if they left. And from a productivity standpoint, it'd be extremely hard to replace LeBlanc. If any of these 3 took off after the season, I'd be very hard pressed to see a bright coaching future at Georgetown for Patrick Ewing.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Jan 23, 2019 13:23:32 GMT -5
Who would want to transfer and sit out a year to play?
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Post by dailey247 on Jan 23, 2019 13:50:08 GMT -5
What exactly is the process that we are trusting in this case? The original "trust the process" was the 76rs idea of tanking to give them the best chance of landing the best upcoming players. In college that is obviously not the case although trying to obtain the best upcoming talent is the goal. Most would agree on here that a couple of things attract recruits. The first being $/connections which we don't appear to be participating in. The second is winning which we haven't had much luck with lately. The third is playing an open style that gets guys numbers. Pat has definitley instituted this.
So far the results of getting the best players have been mixed. Pat has won a couple of contested recruiting battles with I think the toughest being the two late decommits. He appears to be a great "pick up the pieces" recruiter but he has yet to pull that traditional great player where he had to start from scratch. With Josh he had Owens who basically hand delivered him. Not having connections makes it very hard to land recruits so I'm not necessarily marking this as a blemish against Pat per se. The fact is if you aren't willing to play the "game" and you have no connections you're chances at success are greatly hampered. So what can he do to fix this and get better talent so we can start winning? I think #1 is getting new assistants. I have no idea what the point of having Orr is as he couldn't even deliver the one recruit we desperately needed. Waheed got us Greg which is good but not sure much else. Kirby got us Carter which is OK but not enough to keep your job. Wallace I assume was brought in to help the guards and while he is on the recruiting trail I don't think he has been responsible for any recruits. I may be wrong here but point is none have really delivered any impact players. As I. Let's early in the season none of these guys seem to be helping with in game strategy which we desperately need as well. #2 I think Pat may need to really focus on the transfer game. As I said he seems to be a great "pick up the pieces" recruiter so let's take advantage of that. He has already landed one big prize in Yurt7. I hope we get another few tramsfers this year and ever year from here on out. I have mentioned on here how much I love Musselman's approach and I think it would serve us well here as well. At the very least until we start should do it until we start winning although I think with the amount of transfers these days it's a viable strategy long term. I know there are those here that still believe in the build the team through traditional recruits but that is very hard these days because the transfer epidemic. This is moreso what my OP was in reference to. I think that Ewing could slow the game down and try to coach every possession like it's the last to fight to win every game. Of course our goal is to win every game and we aren't tanking on purpose but, playing uptempo, playing primarily man with the big hedging and recovering. He could coach this team differently to give it a better chance to win more games. Instead he is going with a style that would be more appealing to getting more talent in the door. To me it feels like "Trust the process" at the college level. In that case, yes I am trusting the process. We are playing an extremely fast pace, in the same neighborhood as Duke, and generally the more possessions per game the better it is for the more talented team which is usually...not us. With all that, we're 2-4 in conference but with only a -2 point differential. We've lost once by double digits all year, against LMU coming off a real grinder of a game previously at Illinois. A few of those close losses could have gone the other way based on sheer randomness, and we would be seeing a lot of (undeserved) "Georgetown is BACK" stuff from the media. Our true talent level this year is that of a mediocre team, who might squeeze out an NIT invite if things come together late in the season. BUT - at least we're fun to watch again, which was sorely needed. If Ewing's vision for the program is up-tempo offense - and if that vision is ever going to truly work - his recruits need to learn how to run that, and this season is going exactly the way it needs to. If LeBlanc takes the Pickett/Copeland memorial Sophomore-giant-step-backward next year then I might have to take up gardening, however.
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Post by the_way on Jan 23, 2019 13:59:06 GMT -5
It hasn't even been two years, and people are giving up and throwing in the towel?
Tough crowd.
Yeah, the program has sucked going on year 4, but they are still our Hoyas. It is not the end of the world that the program is in rebuilding mode. The program was built on the fact there is more to life than just basketball.
Our team isn't good right now. If I was Ewing and staff, I'd be hitting the recruiting trail for every position. Nobody's job is safe. That is how winning programs do it. Competition is a good thing. That is how you get better. Guys can get away with stuff on the court, not following instructions when they know there isn't anyone to replace them. When you have quality depth and you can be replaced, it is amazing how that affects the self-discipline of some players.
Villanova didn't become Villanova over night.
Neither did Duke under Coach K.
Let's keep that in mind.
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Post by hoyainla on Jan 23, 2019 14:00:54 GMT -5
What exactly is the process that we are trusting in this case? The original "trust the process" was the 76rs idea of tanking to give them the best chance of landing the best upcoming players. In college that is obviously not the case although trying to obtain the best upcoming talent is the goal. Most would agree on here that a couple of things attract recruits. The first being $/connections which we don't appear to be participating in. The second is winning which we haven't had much luck with lately. The third is playing an open style that gets guys numbers. Pat has definitley instituted this.
So far the results of getting the best players have been mixed. Pat has won a couple of contested recruiting battles with I think the toughest being the two late decommits. He appears to be a great "pick up the pieces" recruiter but he has yet to pull that traditional great player where he had to start from scratch. With Josh he had Owens who basically hand delivered him. Not having connections makes it very hard to land recruits so I'm not necessarily marking this as a blemish against Pat per se. The fact is if you aren't willing to play the "game" and you have no connections you're chances at success are greatly hampered. So what can he do to fix this and get better talent so we can start winning? I think #1 is getting new assistants. I have no idea what the point of having Orr is as he couldn't even deliver the one recruit we desperately needed. Waheed got us Greg which is good but not sure much else. Kirby got us Carter which is OK but not enough to keep your job. Wallace I assume was brought in to help the guards and while he is on the recruiting trail I don't think he has been responsible for any recruits. I may be wrong here but point is none have really delivered any impact players. As I. Let's early in the season none of these guys seem to be helping with in game strategy which we desperately need as well. #2 I think Pat may need to really focus on the transfer game. As I said he seems to be a great "pick up the pieces" recruiter so let's take advantage of that. He has already landed one big prize in Yurt7. I hope we get another few tramsfers this year and ever year from here on out. I have mentioned on here how much I love Musselman's approach and I think it would serve us well here as well. At the very least until we start should do it until we start winning although I think with the amount of transfers these days it's a viable strategy long term. I know there are those here that still believe in the build the team through traditional recruits but that is very hard these days because the transfer epidemic. This is moreso what my OP was in reference to. I think that Ewing could slow the game down and try to coach every possession like it's the last to fight to win every game. Of course our goal is to win every game and we aren't tanking on purpose but, playing uptempo, playing primarily man with the big hedging and recovering. He could coach this team differently to give it a better chance to win more games. Instead he is going with a style that would be more appealing to getting more talent in the door. To me it feels like "Trust the process" at the college level. I put those 3 in order as I think that is the order they go in. I think the open style try to make everyone happy is a double edge sword if it doesn't lead to winning. It will attract "me" guys who are more worried about getting theirs. It gets even worse when you bring in guys who aren't elite and are also me guys. Too many of those guys fosters a losing culture. It's hard to find good recruits who aren't me guys but they are out there. Josh is a prime example. I think this is another benefit of transfers. Yes they may be me guys but they have more likely been humbled and they don't have the high expectations they once did. JT3 had no trouble recruiting until he started losing even though the basketball was "boring" the entire time. I will go to the grave saying the rule change and his failure to adjust more than anything is what did him in. He could've still played boring basketball as long as it was boring winning basketball. You don't see anyone calling for Tony Bennett or John Beilein's head. Those guys wont put many guys in the NBA because of the guys they recruit but it doesn't hurt them. It's ultimately why I don't support playing the young guys just to make them happy or to get them experience. I say play the guys that best give you the chance to win and that cures all. If that happens to be the young guys then even better. If we are winning and a young guy leaves because he feels he didn't play enough then I am more OK with not having him. For me this offseason will tell us a lot of where the program/Pat are. The current recruiting class is very underwhelming but it's far from over. Even if we get Wahab we need a lot more especially at the 2/3 spot. It will also be key to see who if anyone leaves. I really thought this year was important before landing Yurt because no matter what anyone says losing Jessie would've killed us without him. I thought with Jessie and a PG we could show vast improvement over last year and at least be able to sell a vision. I don't think we can really do that at this point in the season. Pat will no doubt get at least 4 years and likely many more but we can't afford too many more bad years before the hole gets too deep IMO.
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Post by the_way on Jan 23, 2019 14:09:04 GMT -5
This is moreso what my OP was in reference to. I think that Ewing could slow the game down and try to coach every possession like it's the last to fight to win every game. Of course our goal is to win every game and we aren't tanking on purpose but, playing uptempo, playing primarily man with the big hedging and recovering. He could coach this team differently to give it a better chance to win more games. Instead he is going with a style that would be more appealing to getting more talent in the door. To me it feels like "Trust the process" at the college level. In that case, yes I am trusting the process. We are playing an extremely fast pace, in the same neighborhood as Duke, and generally the more possessions per game the better it is for the more talented team which is usually...not us. With all that, we're 2-4 in conference but with only a -2 point differential. We've lost once by double digits all year, against LMU coming off a real grinder of a game previously at Illinois. A few of those close losses could have gone the other way based on sheer randomness, and we would be seeing a lot of (undeserved) "Georgetown is BACK" stuff from the media. Our true talent level this year is that of a mediocre team, who might squeeze out an NIT invite if things come together late in the season. BUT - at least we're fun to watch again, which was sorely needed. If Ewing's vision for the program is up-tempo offense - and if that vision is ever going to truly work - his recruits need to learn how to run that, and this season is going exactly the way it needs to. If LeBlanc takes the Pickett/Copeland memorial Sophomore-giant-step-backward next year then I might have to take up gardening, however. LeBlanc is fine. Given his temperament and high-motor, don't see him taking a step back. Pickett is okay too. He would look better this year if we had the same PGs we had last year.
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Post by EtomicB on Jan 23, 2019 14:24:40 GMT -5
This is moreso what my OP was in reference to. I think that Ewing could slow the game down and try to coach every possession like it's the last to fight to win every game. Of course our goal is to win every game and we aren't tanking on purpose but, playing uptempo, playing primarily man with the big hedging and recovering. He could coach this team differently to give it a better chance to win more games. Instead he is going with a style that would be more appealing to getting more talent in the door. To me it feels like "Trust the process" at the college level. I put those 3 in order as I think that is the order they go in. I think the open style try to make everyone happy is a double edge sword if it doesn't lead to winning. It will attract "me" guys who are more worried about getting theirs. It gets even worse when you bring in guys who aren't elite and are also me guys. Too many of those guys fosters a losing culture. It's hard to find good recruits who aren't me guys but they are out there. Josh is a prime example. I think this is another benefit of transfers. Yes they may be me guys but they have more likely been humbled and they don't have the high expectations they once did. JT3 had no trouble recruiting until he started losing even though the basketball was "boring" the entire time. I will go to the grave saying the rule change and his failure to adjust more than anything is what did him in. He could've still played boring basketball as long as it was boring winning basketball. You don't see anyone calling for Tony Bennett or John Beilein's head. Those guys wont put many guys in the NBA because of the guys they recruit but it doesn't hurt them. It's ultimately why I don't support playing the young guys just to make them happy or to get them experience. I say play the guys that best give you the chance to win and that cures all. If that happens to be the young guys then even better. If we are winning and a young guy leaves because he feels he didn't play enough then I am more OK with not having him. For me this offseason will tell us a lot of where the program/Pat are. The current recruiting class is very underwhelming but it's far from over. Even if we get Wahab we need a lot more especially at the 2/3 spot. It will also be key to see who if anyone leaves. I really thought this year was important before landing Yurt because no matter what anyone says losing Jessie would've killed us without him. I thought with Jessie and a PG we could show vast improvement over last year and at least be able to sell a vision. I don't think we can really do that at this point in the season. Pat will no doubt get at least 4 years and likely many more but we can't afford too many more bad years before the hole gets too deep IMO. Beilien has a good amount of NBA players in the last 7 or 8 years...
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Post by NCHoya on Jan 23, 2019 14:41:52 GMT -5
Who would want to transfer and sit out a year to play? NCAA hardship waivers are becoming easier and easier to get for kids who want to move to a school closer to home/family . . .
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Jan 23, 2019 14:58:58 GMT -5
Not to mention that plenty of kids transfer every single year and sit out, in order to find a program where they fit and get playing time, or to up their profile. Greg M and Yurt come to mind.
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Post by bornhoya on Jan 23, 2019 15:04:17 GMT -5
Why do people not respect what Pickett brings to the table. I know his offensive numbers have been down but he’s playing with different types of guards which took him out of his catch and shoot from what he did last year but he’s still our best defensive player
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Post by hoyainla on Jan 23, 2019 15:18:20 GMT -5
I put those 3 in order as I think that is the order they go in. I think the open style try to make everyone happy is a double edge sword if it doesn't lead to winning. It will attract "me" guys who are more worried about getting theirs. It gets even worse when you bring in guys who aren't elite and are also me guys. Too many of those guys fosters a losing culture. It's hard to find good recruits who aren't me guys but they are out there. Josh is a prime example. I think this is another benefit of transfers. Yes they may be me guys but they have more likely been humbled and they don't have the high expectations they once did. JT3 had no trouble recruiting until he started losing even though the basketball was "boring" the entire time. I will go to the grave saying the rule change and his failure to adjust more than anything is what did him in. He could've still played boring basketball as long as it was boring winning basketball. You don't see anyone calling for Tony Bennett or John Beilein's head. Those guys wont put many guys in the NBA because of the guys they recruit but it doesn't hurt them. It's ultimately why I don't support playing the young guys just to make them happy or to get them experience. I say play the guys that best give you the chance to win and that cures all. If that happens to be the young guys then even better. If we are winning and a young guy leaves because he feels he didn't play enough then I am more OK with not having him. For me this offseason will tell us a lot of where the program/Pat are. The current recruiting class is very underwhelming but it's far from over. Even if we get Wahab we need a lot more especially at the 2/3 spot. It will also be key to see who if anyone leaves. I really thought this year was important before landing Yurt because no matter what anyone says losing Jessie would've killed us without him. I thought with Jessie and a PG we could show vast improvement over last year and at least be able to sell a vision. I don't think we can really do that at this point in the season. Pat will no doubt get at least 4 years and likely many more but we can't afford too many more bad years before the hole gets too deep IMO. Beilien has a good amount of NBA players in the last 7 or 8 years... That's the other benefit of winning. You get guys in the NBA that you sometimes shouldn't. NBA teams fall for the deep tourney run way too often. Beilein for the most part isn't bringing in 5 stars although he has landed a few.
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the_way
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Post by the_way on Jan 23, 2019 15:44:01 GMT -5
Why do people not respect what Pickett brings to the table. I know his offensive numbers have been down but he’s playing with different types of guards which took him out of his catch and shoot from what he did last year but he’s still our best defensive player They had an inflated opinion of his capabilities. Some thought he was the next KD just because they have similar frame. He had a nice little scoring run last year, and some ran away with it and expected a big leap from him this year. Just like some expected a big leap from this team this year. The team is chugging along and Pickett is helping the team in other ways, while still trying to find his game as a sophomore. It is something about ~ 6'8" forwards that Hoyatalk has a thing for when it comes not meeting expectations: Bowman, Summers, Thompson, Whittington,Copeland, and now Pickett.
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Post by blueandgray on Jan 23, 2019 16:07:28 GMT -5
I hate to do this....but prepare for transfers this off season from one or more of the current underclassman. I can't get into it, but all is not well. Winning will turn things around...but we should be concerned if the season stays on the current trajectory. People can tell who you are referring to by looking at which players are coming off the bench and are not getting much playing time. I am still waiting for McClung and Mourning to get back to full strength as this will this will turn around the season. You'd be surprised. It has nothing to do with playing time. Its some of the guys that are getting ample playing time. For those blaming or wanting to replace the asst coaches, I honestly don't think talent is the root cause. I think it has more to do with in-game adjustments. There have just been too many games where we blow late leads because of poor coaching and poor execution.
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Post by blueandgray on Jan 23, 2019 16:09:09 GMT -5
In that case, yes I am trusting the process. We are playing an extremely fast pace, in the same neighborhood as Duke, and generally the more possessions per game the better it is for the more talented team which is usually...not us. With all that, we're 2-4 in conference but with only a -2 point differential. We've lost once by double digits all year, against LMU coming off a real grinder of a game previously at Illinois. A few of those close losses could have gone the other way based on sheer randomness, and we would be seeing a lot of (undeserved) "Georgetown is BACK" stuff from the media. Our true talent level this year is that of a mediocre team, who might squeeze out an NIT invite if things come together late in the season. BUT - at least we're fun to watch again, which was sorely needed. If Ewing's vision for the program is up-tempo offense - and if that vision is ever going to truly work - his recruits need to learn how to run that, and this season is going exactly the way it needs to. If LeBlanc takes the Pickett/Copeland memorial Sophomore-giant-step-backward next year then I might have to take up gardening, however. LeBlanc is fine. Given his temperament and high-motor, don't see him taking a step back. Pickett is okay too. He would look better this year if we had the same PGs we had last year. You could not be more off.
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Post by s4hoyas on Jan 23, 2019 16:51:33 GMT -5
These kinds of vague "predictions" don't help anything with a program that's trying to work its way back and going through brutally difficult losses in the process...through these times, there will always be guys who will use them as a reason to "jump ship", but the true character guys will stay the course and represent the foundation of recovery...one or two may choose to leave because they feel they're not getting enough playing time, whether justified or not, or perhaps because they just need a change of scenery to "regain focus" (whatever that means), but my experience is that the real winners will tough it out and stay the course, work their way through it, and be better because of it...a few of these last minute losses could very easily been wins...a free throw here, a loose ball there, a made basket by us in the paint, a missed 3 pointer by them at the end...but now is the time to buckle down, not whine about bad luck...if we keep playing as hard as we have, and truly EXPECT to win, a couple of these will bounce our way...
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