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Post by TrueHoyaBlue on Apr 30, 2019 8:29:43 GMT -5
Those are for "rebounding offense" and "rebounding defense", which is another way of saying rebounds we got and rebounds we gave up.
The key stats to look at are rebound percentages, and there, you'll see a ton of room for improvement:
Offensive Rebound %: 29.1% good for only 7th in Conference (and 147th in the country). Defensive Rebound %: 73.9% good for 4th in Conference (and 82nd in the country).
I'd say that's an area for concern. It looks like offensive rebounding was actually a bigger problem than defensive rebounding, although both need a lot of improvement if we're hoping to be a Tournament team next year.
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Post by lichoya68 on Apr 30, 2019 8:36:56 GMT -5
That 19 rebound stat made my eyes pop out. but even more complete game watch those assists and block and steal too TOTAL GAME HERE cant wait for kenner
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Apr 30, 2019 10:25:49 GMT -5
In 2017-18 they were 1st in OR, 5th in DR, 2nd in rebounding margin with +4.7 2017-18 Big East Team StatsIn the Ewing era the rebounding has been decent overall, certainly with room for improvement. But I don't think it rises to the level of a major concern. These stats are heavily influenced by our fast pace, and thus, not all that informative. Since our pace is so fast, we have more possessions than most teams, and thus more opportunities for offensive and defensive rebounds. When controlling for pace, our offensive rebounding rate in conference was 5th, and our defensive rebounding was also fifth. So basically middle of the pack - not bad, not great.
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Post by jwp91 on Apr 30, 2019 10:35:40 GMT -5
If Wahab will be a lot like LaBlanc was this year, then My oh My. Besides the defensive deficiencies displayed by the Hoyas over the last seven years, the lack of rebounding has been one of the major concerns. With Yurt, Wahab, Lablanc, Gardner, and Tim or Malcolm I don’t think that will be a major concern anymore. Can’t help but be excited about the upcoming year! Hoyas were 1st in the Big East in Offensive Rebounding for 2018-19, 9th in Defensive Rebounding and 4th in overall Rebounding Margin with +3.0 2018-19 Big East Team StatsIn the Ewing era the rebounding has been decent overall, certainly with room for improvement. But I don't think it rises to the level of a major concern.
True...but offensive rebounds are basically steals.....improving our rebounding margin can only help make us a dominant team. We did make a weakness a strength, but it could be so much better....especially when rebounding was not your center’s strength.
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Post by centercourt400s on Apr 30, 2019 14:30:48 GMT -5
In 2017-18 they were 1st in OR, 5th in DR, 2nd in rebounding margin with +4.7 2017-18 Big East Team StatsIn the Ewing era the rebounding has been decent overall, certainly with room for improvement. But I don't think it rises to the level of a major concern. These stats are heavily influenced by our fast pace, and thus, not all that informative. Since our pace is so fast, we have more possessions than most teams, and thus more opportunities for offensive and defensive rebounds. When controlling for pace, our offensive rebounding rate in conference was 5th, and our defensive rebounding was also fifth. So basically middle of the pack - not bad, not great. So, somewhat different explanation for the Big East stats I was looking at, but basically the same story. Decent rebounding results, lots of room for improvement, but not a major concern in my book. Defense and turnovers were a major concern last season.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Apr 30, 2019 15:44:26 GMT -5
These stats are heavily influenced by our fast pace, and thus, not all that informative. Since our pace is so fast, we have more possessions than most teams, and thus more opportunities for offensive and defensive rebounds. When controlling for pace, our offensive rebounding rate in conference was 5th, and our defensive rebounding was also fifth. So basically middle of the pack - not bad, not great. So, somewhat different explanation for the Big East stats I was looking at, but basically the same story. Decent rebounding results, lots of room for improvement, but not a major concern in my book. Defense and turnovers were a major concern last season. Agreed. Our turnover rate on offense was actually not terrible, though it often seemed that way given our pace. But, we were really bad at forcing turnovers (305th of 353, worst in the Big East), which is not surprising given our poor defense. We were also really susceptible to the other team getting steals (306th), and not good at forcing steals either (254th). Our blocks were actually not bad. To help on defense, we need to tighten up the offensive turnovers even more (since the turnovers often yield easy points for the other team), and get stronger at communicating and playing as a unit on defense. If we can do that, we should be able to force more turnovers, etc. Right now, I don't see how a press is feasible because it requires a ton of communication, and we aren't even good in the half-court sets.
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Post by centercourt400s on Apr 30, 2019 16:24:05 GMT -5
So, somewhat different explanation for the Big East stats I was looking at, but basically the same story. Decent rebounding results, lots of room for improvement, but not a major concern in my book. Defense and turnovers were a major concern last season. Agreed. Our turnover rate on offense was actually not terrible, though it often seemed that way given our pace. But, we were really bad at forcing turnovers (305th of 353, worst in the Big East), which is not surprising given our poor defense. We were also really susceptible to the other team getting steals (306th), and not good at forcing steals either (254th). Our blocks were actually not bad. To help on defense, we need to tighten up the offensive turnovers even more (since the turnovers often yield easy points for the other team), and get stronger at communicating and playing as a unit on defense. If we can do that, we should be able to force more turnovers, etc. Right now, I don't see how a press is feasible because it requires a ton of communication, and we aren't even good in the half-court sets. Talented freshmen like Q, plus extra experience in the backcourt via Terrell Allen should help.
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Post by hoyarooter on Apr 30, 2019 19:37:30 GMT -5
If Wahab will be a lot like LaBlanc was this year, then My oh My. Besides the defensive deficiencies displayed by the Hoyas over the last seven years, the lack of rebounding has been one of the major concerns. With Yurt, Wahab, Lablanc, Gardner, and Tim or Malcolm I don’t think that will be a major concern anymore. Can’t help but be excited about the upcoming year! Hoyas were 1st in the Big East in Offensive Rebounding for 2018-19, 9th in Defensive Rebounding and 4th in overall Rebounding Margin with +3.0 2018-19 Big East Team StatsIn the Ewing era the rebounding has been decent overall, certainly with room for improvement. But I don't think it rises to the level of a major concern.
This may be, but in 17-18, our inability to pull in a key defensive rebound in the final minute cost us 3 games.
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Post by hoyas big supporter on Apr 30, 2019 19:46:23 GMT -5
Hoyas were 1st in the Big East in Offensive Rebounding for 2018-19, 9th in Defensive Rebounding and 4th in overall Rebounding Margin with +3.0 2018-19 Big East Team StatsIn the Ewing era the rebounding has been decent overall, certainly with room for improvement. But I don't think it rises to the level of a major concern.
This may be, but in 17-18, our inability to pull in a key defensive rebound in the final minute cost us 3 games. Sometimes the ball doesn’t bounce your way and sometimes it does.
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Post by hoyarooter on Apr 30, 2019 20:19:06 GMT -5
This may be, but in 17-18, our inability to pull in a key defensive rebound in the final minute cost us 3 games. Sometimes the ball doesn’t bounce your way and sometimes it does. True. However, that season it seemed as though when we were attempting to protect a single possession lead in the final minute, the ball never bounced our way.
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Post by SaxaCD on Apr 30, 2019 20:31:36 GMT -5
This may be, but in 17-18, our inability to pull in a key defensive rebound in the final minute cost us 3 games. Sometimes the ball doesn’t bounce your way and sometimes it does. Those situations cone down to that "go and get it" factor, what commentators call "who wants it more". I think the staff is finding some of those guys.
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Post by stafford72 on Apr 30, 2019 20:54:24 GMT -5
With more offensive options and better shooting, offensive rebounds may well decline. This is not a bad thing.
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Post by TrueHoyaBlue on Apr 30, 2019 22:50:30 GMT -5
We still want to have high offensive rebounding percentages, which were middle-of-the-NCAA this year. That needs to improve, even if we’re shooting over 50% from the floor.
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Post by seaweed on May 1, 2019 3:55:42 GMT -5
This may be, but in 17-18, our inability to pull in a key defensive rebound in the final minute cost us 3 games. Sometimes the ball doesn’t bounce your way and sometimes it does. Sometimes, when the ball doesn’t bounce your way, you’ve gotta go over to where it bounced and rip that damned thing away from the guy it bounced to. We are adding guys with that attitude.
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Post by hoyas big supporter on May 1, 2019 7:51:48 GMT -5
Sometimes the ball doesn’t bounce your way and sometimes it does. Sometimes, when the ball doesn’t bounce your way, you’ve gotta go over to where it bounced and rip that damned thing away from the guy it bounced to. We are adding guys with that attitude. Except that it’s not that simple...
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2019 15:28:19 GMT -5
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Post by trillesthoya on May 3, 2019 15:29:15 GMT -5
Hope to see a version of that shirt with Wahab at the bottom some day!
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Post by AshantiCooksBurner on May 3, 2019 15:32:03 GMT -5
Wow that shirt is awesome.
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Post by Ranch Dressing on May 3, 2019 15:36:48 GMT -5
Love that his bro is also sporting some Hoya swag. Need more of the local kids to hop on board the Georgetown express...
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Post by stafford72 on May 5, 2019 7:56:33 GMT -5
Time to move on
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