the_way
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Post by the_way on Apr 11, 2018 11:13:23 GMT -5
Me too. I am hoping there's a change of heart like DSR, but that's a real rarity. But, it would be great if it happened. Yes indeed. If he did leave though, if we landed Okinjo and the NCST transfer that would fill the offensive void MD left. MD was more than just scoring. It was the way he scored, his versatility in scoring and his clutch performances under pressure. People really don't realize how good MD is....at the college level. There aren't too many players in college with his skill level. It is not as easy as plugging in someone else. Besides, are the two players mentioned signed and committed for next year? If not, we don't know if they are even here next year.
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Post by hoyacane11 on Apr 11, 2018 11:23:42 GMT -5
Yes indeed. If he did leave though, if we landed Okinjo and the NCST transfer that would fill the offensive void MD left. MD was more than just scoring. It was the way he scored, his versatility in scoring and his clutch performances under pressure. People really don't realize how good MD is....at the college level. There aren't too many players in college with his skill level. It is not as easy as plugging in someone else. Besides, are the two players mentioned signed and committed for next year? If not, we don't know if they are even here next year. No they're not, that's why I said "if" I just mentioned the scoring void would be filled. I didn't say the clutch shooting, game winning shots would be filled as well, but hey who knows? That Akinjo kid is a difference maker. He's something we haven't had in a long time. He can shoot the 3, score in the lane, beak his man down, and create for others. He will make others better. MD did not do that, and he was a liability on defense, so there's some positives and negatives here.
Means nothing if we don't land them though. lol
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Apr 11, 2018 12:22:00 GMT -5
To me, the biggest loss is Derrickson's shooting from distance. He was our best shooter, took and made tough shots, and didn't avoid taking key shots in big situations. While Govan shares many of the same qualities, having 1 guy like that versus 2 is a big loss.
As always, absent recruiting successes we aren't aware of yet, much will depend on our key guys stepping it up and raising the level of their play.
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hoyazeke
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Post by hoyazeke on Apr 11, 2018 14:25:11 GMT -5
Yes indeed. If he did leave though, if we landed Okinjo and the NCST transfer that would fill the offensive void MD left. MD was more than just scoring. It was the way he scored, his versatility in scoring and his clutch performances under pressure. People really don't realize how good MD is....at the college level. There aren't too many players in college with his skill level. It is not as easy as plugging in someone else. Besides, are the two players mentioned signed and committed for next year? If not, we don't know if they are even here next year. I agree. MD can score on all levels and is an adequate post defender. Plus he has a skill that I only saw one other collegiate player with: a legit NBA 3-pt shot. MD doesn't need a lot of space and can knock down "in the gym range" shots.....I think he'll get a opportunity......IMO.....
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Post by FromTheBeginning on Apr 11, 2018 15:27:40 GMT -5
His biggest problem at the next level (besides defensively) is that he is a power forward in a small forward's body - wish him the best but he better get on line for that passport.
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Post by HoyaRejuveNation85 on Apr 11, 2018 15:37:52 GMT -5
I see this as a great opportunity for Antwan Walker and the coaching staff. For Walker, it's an open spot and he's got the potential to be a much better defender than MD ever was and showed some flashes of scoring ability at season's end. For the coaching staff, it's a chance to coach Walker up and find or develop a shooter. The most important thing to me is to replace MD's outside shooting from any spot. If we do that and play better defense, we'll be a better team.
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prhoya
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Post by prhoya on Apr 11, 2018 16:22:21 GMT -5
Tough for Pat, the team, the school and the fans! We cannot buy a break to play 5-on-5. I wish him good luck, but still hope he doesn't hire an agent and comes back. After years of losing, the program deserves a great year. Maybe he can pull off a DSR.
Good points all around, plus we will not know much until Marcus or Pat talks about it... I'm counting on Pat.
As some have pointed out, his 46% from 3 is a NBA-level skill and could get him looks. I don't think he gets drafted, but he will get invitations to team camps.
Some have mentioned the fear of an injury. Still, that could happen anytime. If he doesn't get a guaranteed contract, does he get players' insurance?
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drquigley
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Post by drquigley on Apr 11, 2018 18:57:31 GMT -5
Funny how no one worries about the kid who forgoes college to play minor league baseball. Chances aren't that much better making the pros and minor league pay is abysmal. I think plenty of minor league baseball players have family members, girlfriends, spouses, friends, etc. who worry about their well being and ability to land on their feet when they finish their baseball journey. I bet there are a lot of parents out there who would rather their sons go to college than pursue minor league baseball. The main difference with college basketball players is that minor league baseball players have virtually no fanbase, whereas college basketball players get a certain amount of notoriety simply by being on a college team that has fans. I highly doubt that there are message boards, with a following as large as HoyaTalk, that debate single A baseball in Cedar Rapids or Lansing. Of course, one reason baseball is not analogous is that it is extremely rare for an aspiring baseball player in the age range of these players (18-20) to be good enough to play in the major leagues. Virtually all players aspiring to get to the major leagues have to play minor league baseball and develop in the minor league system - it's just what the large majority of players do, whereas top basketball talent immediately leaps to the professional ranks. Thus, it's sort of expected that if you want to play in MLB, that you will play in the minors. In basketball, if you're a top player, you'll make a stop in college for a year, maximum, and that's because of the NBA's rules. But that is my point. Why stop in college for a year? Why take a scholarship from someone who really wants to pursue a college degree? If it's because you want to use the college and that scholarship to increase your fan base don't you see how corrupting that is to everyone-player/college/fans- involved. Yes, if a kid wants to and is prepared to take advantage of the opportunities offered by college then it is a shame for him to skip college. But if he's not ready or just doesn't want to pursue a career a college degree can lead to then there is nothing wrong with his skipping college to pursue his dream. I agree that MD will be missed but I believe it is hypocritical to feign concern for how his decision to leave school will affect him. I'm sure there are many GU grads, maybe not on this Board, who looking back on their lives didn't wish that they took a few years off from college to pursue a passion. Where's the concern for the GU student who leaves school, maybe even gives up a scholarship, to pursue a career in the arts or to learn glassblowing?
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jester
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Post by jester on Apr 11, 2018 22:13:14 GMT -5
If you swapped out Marcus with Carmelo Anthony next year, would the Thunder be any worse off? I’m only half kidding, look at Melos defensive value and shooting numbers. Add in his salary
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Post by seaweed on Apr 12, 2018 0:33:10 GMT -5
If you swapped out Marcus with Carmelo Anthony next year, would the Thunder be any worse off? I’m only half kidding, look at Melos defensive value and shooting numbers. Add in his salary Ironically, Jesse's GU bio shows Carmelo as his favorite player. Should have been a red flag
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Post by professorhoya on Apr 13, 2018 17:00:36 GMT -5
This played out in one of two ways - he consulted with Coach and his slew of savvy advisers and has good reason to believe he can get drafted or at least a premium overseas spot. Alternatively, he went rogue and decided on his own to stop going to school and try his luck. We will only learn more when he or someone with inside information speaks up, like a comment from Coach which we would all love to hear. Maybe we don't learn anything till draft day. I am probably the only guy on here who thinks he can be a decent pro prospect. With the improvements we have seen and a strong frame, 7'1" reach and as smooth an outside shot as you can hope for, you are looking at a guy who doubled his points and rebound totals this year, shot more than 46% from three and, contrary to everyone here who wants to throw him under the bus, is a significantly improved defender who has improved his lateral speed, gets good position and is not easy to move off the spot. his game is frankly better suited to the pros than it was to college - less emphasis on D and more on that smooth stroke. There are not many better pure shooters at 6'7" 250, not in the league or elsewhere. Heck, even Draymond Green is smaller and not as effective from behind the arc (30%). That is the ceiling for Doc and the basement is shoveling sh!t in obscurity. Time will tell. Glide works with his sister but has been noticeably absent on this front.
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dense
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Post by dense on Apr 13, 2018 17:05:45 GMT -5
I see this as a great opportunity for Antwan Walker and the coaching staff. For Walker, it's an open spot and he's got the potential to be a much better defender than MD ever was and showed some flashes of scoring ability at season's end. For the coaching staff, it's a chance to coach Walker up and find or develop a shooter. The most important thing to me is to replace MD's outside shooting from any spot. If we do that and play better defense, we'll be a better team. The thing about Walker is he has not played basketball that long. I remember him saying he didnt start playing till he was a freshman in high school. So he has such a huge growth potential in terms of skills.
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Post by michaelgrahmstylie on Apr 13, 2018 17:12:25 GMT -5
Did not see this coming. Good luck to the big fellah. Someone brought it to my attention that my post was in need of a little editing. Of course, I meant the "big fellah".
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Apr 13, 2018 20:51:00 GMT -5
This played out in one of two ways - he consulted with Coach and his slew of savvy advisers and has good reason to believe he can get drafted or at least a premium overseas spot. Alternatively, he went rogue and decided on his own to stop going to school and try his luck. We will only learn more when he or someone with inside information speaks up, like a comment from Coach which we would all love to hear. Maybe we don't learn anything till draft day. I am probably the only guy on here who thinks he can be a decent pro prospect. With the improvements we have seen and a strong frame, 7'1" reach and as smooth an outside shot as you can hope for, you are looking at a guy who doubled his points and rebound totals this year, shot more than 46% from three and, contrary to everyone here who wants to throw him under the bus, is a significantly improved defender who has improved his lateral speed, gets good position and is not easy to move off the spot. his game is frankly better suited to the pros than it was to college - less emphasis on D and more on that smooth stroke. There are not many better pure shooters at 6'7" 250, not in the league or elsewhere. Heck, even Draymond Green is smaller and not as effective from behind the arc (30%). That is the ceiling for Doc and the basement is shoveling sh!t in obscurity. Time will tell. Glide works with his sister but has been noticeably absent on this front. Glide has been absent on all fronts.
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Post by tashoya on Apr 13, 2018 20:56:50 GMT -5
Glide works with his sister but has been noticeably absent on this front. Glide has been absent on all fronts. While we're all anxious for info, tip of the cap to Glide for not betraying the trust of a co-worker if he does happen to know anything.
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paranoia2
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Post by paranoia2 on Apr 13, 2018 21:46:17 GMT -5
Wish MD all success and happiness. He is a very skilled offensive player. LeBlanc, Walker, Carter & Pickett can form a very athletic and powerful forward group.
I believe Pickett will make a huge jump next year. To the point where he may declare. Govan is the guy we need back. Badly.
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Post by iheartdurenbros on Apr 14, 2018 6:41:58 GMT -5
Glide had tweeted about a week ago that he was blocked from Hoyatalk. Pretty sure this explains the quiet from Glide on this board. This has to be tough on him, but clearly he was given a lot of latitude by the mods.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Apr 14, 2018 8:13:08 GMT -5
Hope he stays and truly develop into a lottery pick. I am a little bit upset with Marcus; he would have been a lottery pick if he had stayed his senior year. I can't say that I blame Govan for testing the waters. Not sure Doc has the athleticism to be a lottery pick, or even a first rounder. Might improve his draft stock if he could show more on the defensive end.
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Post by prhoya on Apr 14, 2018 8:32:01 GMT -5
Glide has been absent on all fronts. While we're all anxious for info, tip of the cap to Glide for not betraying the trust of a co-worker if he does happen to know anything. Glide is MD’s agent... shhhh...
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Post by This Just In on Apr 14, 2018 12:44:06 GMT -5
Glide had tweeted about a week ago that he was blocked from Hoyatalk. Pretty sure this explains the quiet from Glide on this board. This has to be tough on him, but clearly he was given a lot of latitude by the mods. I tried to warn about what happened to Eagle54. Did glidehoyas mention for how long or why he was blocked?
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