drquigley
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Post by drquigley on Jan 16, 2018 11:22:13 GMT -5
You know there isn’t much hope when there is only 1 page of comments the day before you play the number 1 team in the country. I can’t even envision a scenario where we pull this one off. Agree, very sad. Obviously, the next 2 years are HUGE. I hate to think of us becoming the Wake Forest of the BE. I hope the tiering of the BE into 4 good programs, 3 average programs, and 3 bad programs doesn't continue much longer. Us, St. John's and DePaul have to figure out a way to crawl out of the mire and Marquette, Providence, and Butler have to start competing for BE championships. While I respect what Nova has accomplished (although I still hate them) their dominance is starting to hurt the BE image. Used to be any one of 5-6 teams could win the BE championship and represent us in the final four. Now, not so much.
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Post by seaweed on Jan 16, 2018 11:30:36 GMT -5
You know there isn’t much hope when there is only 1 page of comments the day before you play the number 1 team in the country. I can’t even envision a scenario where we pull this one off. We could shoot 88% in the second half and 79% for the game. Was just going to cite that same unimaginable result... but then I threw up a little just thinking about it. Pounding the ball to our two elite bigs is the easy answer here, but in the end we need to get peak performance out of our guards and that just hasn't been common lately. For what it is worth, our backcourt's defense has improved more than its offense, so I suppose a strong defensive showing against 'Nova's elite backcourt could help balance the scales. One way or another, will be routing our guys on to the fullest of my abilities. Whoever said PE's first year is a "meets expectations" so far is too darn skeptical. Pat has exceeded expectations of his ability to coach up players and his ability as an in-game strategist. When his players meet his expectations, we will shine. Until then, hope for "exceeds expectations" shooting percentages. 1 2 3 Fireballs
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Jan 16, 2018 11:53:33 GMT -5
Right on seaweed. Hoping for improved poise and solid rebounding. Dreaming of single digit turnovers and great shooting. Will still be rooting hard for our guys.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jan 16, 2018 13:10:38 GMT -5
Pounding the ball to our two elite bigs is the easy answer here, but in the end we need to get peak performance out of our guards and that just hasn't been common lately. For what it is worth, our backcourt's defense has improved more than its offense, so I suppose a strong defensive showing against 'Nova's elite backcourt could help balance the scales. The problem is that Jesse Govan hasn't played well in the Big East, especially when the opposing team defends well and/or double teams him. So, we can pound it to the bigs, but if Govan doesn't perform better, that won't be the answer either. I'm with what others said - the only way we win this game is to shoot lights out and catch Villanova on a badnight - very unlikely, but crazier things have happened in college basketball.
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Post by centercourt400s on Jan 16, 2018 13:21:46 GMT -5
Pounding the ball to our two elite bigs is the easy answer here, but in the end we need to get peak performance out of our guards and that just hasn't been common lately. For what it is worth, our backcourt's defense has improved more than its offense, so I suppose a strong defensive showing against 'Nova's elite backcourt could help balance the scales. The problem is that Jesse Govan hasn't played well in the Big East, especially when the opposing team defends well and/or double teams him. So, we can pound it to the bigs, but if Govan doesn't perform better, that won't be the answer either. I'm with what others said - the only way we win this game is to shoot lights out and catch Villanova on a badnight - very unlikely, but crazier things have happened in college basketball. Govan had some problems vs Seton Hall but overall I can't agree with you that he hasn't played well. As of today in conference only games he's: - 18th in scoring - 2nd in overall rebounding - 5th in offensive rebounding - 3rd in defensive rebounding - 15th in free throw % - tied for 8th in blocks Seems pretty impressive to me.
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Jan 16, 2018 14:06:52 GMT -5
We were bad last year but played them very close - on the road from what I recall. Hoyas had a bad missed dunk by Pryor and things went downhill if memory serves me correctly. So, no reason to be optimistic here, but there is always a chance. I hope that we play hard and mix it up.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jan 16, 2018 14:08:50 GMT -5
The problem is that Jesse Govan hasn't played well in the Big East, especially when the opposing team defends well and/or double teams him. So, we can pound it to the bigs, but if Govan doesn't perform better, that won't be the answer either. I'm with what others said - the only way we win this game is to shoot lights out and catch Villanova on a badnight - very unlikely, but crazier things have happened in college basketball. Govan had some problems vs Seton Hall but overall I can't agree with you that he hasn't played well. As of today in conference only games he's: - 18th in scoring - 2nd in overall rebounding - 5th in offensive rebounding - 3rd in defensive rebounding - 15th in free throw % - tied for 8th in blocks Seems pretty impressive to me. I was specifically referencing the comment about pounding it into the post. He hasn't played well in the post in the Big East. He's only shooting 42.3% on two point shots in Big East play. That reflects, in part, that he isn't getting a lot of clean looks because he's double teamed, and also that he settles for 8-12 foot jumpers a lot. I only reference this because I don't think pounding it into the post is necessarily a strategy that's going to work, though frankly, it might be the best of what we have given where we are. You're right that Govan has done some impressive things and has been a good player overall in Big East play, aside from scoring from the post. I don't like stats that don't account for tempo and minutes played because they are misleading often, but you're right, by any metric, Govan has been a great rebounder on both ends of the floor, and has made his free throws well in Big East play. He's also stepped up his defensive game, which I have enjoyed watching.
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Post by hoyazeke on Jan 16, 2018 14:32:50 GMT -5
We were bad last year but played them very close - on the road from what I recall. Hoyas had a bad missed dunk by Pryor and things went downhill if memory serves me correctly. So, no reason to be optimistic here, but there is always a chance. I hope that we play hard and mix it up. That team had LJ and Rodney....2 guards that we could depend on for 40pts....i don't think we can depend on all of our guards for 30pts....all of them.....smh
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Post by hoyazeke on Jan 16, 2018 14:37:22 GMT -5
Pounding the ball to our two elite bigs is the easy answer here, but in the end we need to get peak performance out of our guards and that just hasn't been common lately. For what it is worth, our backcourt's defense has improved more than its offense, so I suppose a strong defensive showing against 'Nova's elite backcourt could help balance the scales. The problem is that Jesse Govan hasn't played well in the Big East, especially when the opposing team defends well and/or double teams him. So, we can pound it to the bigs, but if Govan doesn't perform better, that won't be the answer either. I'm with what others said - the only way we win this game is to shoot lights out and catch Villanova on a badnight - very unlikely, but crazier things have happened in college basketball. The opposition doesn't have to respect our perimeter game so Jessie gets constant double teams. After 3/4 trips of bad possessions Jessie gets frustrated and forces bad shots. He has been great this year and if Kaleb/Jiggy/Marko can hit a few Js early he will work Spellman or whoever else gets the assignment...
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Post by HometownHoya on Jan 16, 2018 14:58:07 GMT -5
Anything can happen when you're playing a highly ranked team, we might get blown out by 30 or they might overlook us and we could have a shot. I just want the guys ready to go, take care of the ball, and play with intensity.
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Post by lichoya68 on Jan 16, 2018 15:16:56 GMT -5
ok anything is possible the johnnies i believe played nova tough like maybe down by a couple or few with a few minutes left soo HUSTLE FOR THIRTY MINUTES OR MORE up never know we will see GO HOYAS would be one of the biggest wins in hoya history but why not NOW<.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Jan 16, 2018 15:24:11 GMT -5
I do see a scenario where we are at the top of the conference in 2-4 years. It requires recruiting dominoes to fall in our direction.
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Jan 16, 2018 16:08:11 GMT -5
We were bad last year but played them very close - on the road from what I recall. Hoyas had a bad missed dunk by Pryor and things went downhill if memory serves me correctly. So, no reason to be optimistic here, but there is always a chance. I hope that we play hard and mix it up. That team had LJ and Rodney....2 guards that we could depend on for 40pts....i don't think we can depend on all of our guards for 30pts....all of them.....smh I hear you, but there are positive differences in favor of the 2017-2018 team as well. I am not expecting a miracle- but we have had bad to mediocre teams play Nova tough/ close in the past, so...
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Post by nychoya3 on Jan 16, 2018 16:26:19 GMT -5
Honestly I think this might be the most talented squad Nova has had. Bridges is terrific, Brunson hasn't missed a shot this season, Booth is rock solid, Vincenzo is annoying as hell, and Spellman has turned into a stretch five. They have five guys shooting over 40 percent from three on a lot of attempts, and as a team they're shooting above 50 percent from the field. They're going to light us the heck up unless we play way better defense than I've seen us play this year.
I think the guys will compete hard and play to the competition, but there's going to be a point where Nova goes on a 12-0 run in the span of like 40 seconds, and I don't know if we have the horses to respond to that.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Jan 16, 2018 17:09:49 GMT -5
If somehow we keep it close, we won't be able to close. That's one major weakness due to lack of guard play. No lead is big enough.
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Post by SSHoya on Jan 16, 2018 18:03:55 GMT -5
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Post by calhoya on Jan 16, 2018 18:18:49 GMT -5
Growth occurs throughout a season and not just between seasons. Saw some hopeful signs in the last game that Mulmore is settling down. MD is continuing to play like a beast and Govan has been markedly improved over last year. Nova is great but their inside game is not better than Seton Hall. Butler handled them and beat the Hoyas only because the Hoyas lost composure and suffered a meltdown. Not expecting a win or even a close loss, but not ready to concede that it is impossible at home either. Kaleb, Blair, Mulmore, Mosley and Pickett can make a difference here.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Jan 16, 2018 19:00:03 GMT -5
We need production out of either Johnson or Pickett. I thought both would be factors in BE play.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Jan 16, 2018 19:02:23 GMT -5
Growth occurs throughout a season and not just between seasons. Saw some hopeful signs in the last game that Mulmore is settling down. MD is continuing to play like a beast and Govan has been markedly improved over last year. Nova is great but their inside game is not better than Seton Hall. Butler handled them and beat the Hoyas only because the Hoyas lost composure and suffered a meltdown. Not expecting a win or even a close loss, but not ready to concede that it is impossible at home either. Kaleb, Blair, Mulmore, Mosley and Pickett can make a difference here. Spot on. We will need solid contributions from pretty much everyone to have a shot.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2018 21:26:38 GMT -5
We were bad last year but played them very close - on the road from what I recall. Hoyas had a bad missed dunk by Pryor and things went downhill if memory serves me correctly. So, no reason to be optimistic here, but there is always a chance. I hope that we play hard and mix it up. And they also dump-trucked us at home.
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