GIGAFAN99
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on Jan 5, 2018 11:33:05 GMT -5
Making a lot of threes would give the Hoyas a chance to win this one, but going into the game with the strategy of taking a lot of threes could be a real problem. Missed threes turn into long rebounds and good opportunities for the opponent to get out and run. that is playing into Creighton's hands and the way they want to play. Having good floor balance and getting back on defense is going to be really important to prevent those big runs that Creighton can go on. If they can find a way to win this game I won't care how they do it, but taking a lot of threes could be an issue. Hoyas shot 9-24, last game in three pointers. 35% for the season, so no counting on 3's to ever bail us out lol. It's never a good idea to rely on three pointers. If they don't go in you will complain the Hoyas are playing soft and not taking or getting the ball inside the post where it should go. Shooting a lot of three's is always an issue when the Hoyas do this. They beat themselves when they do this. I think we keep thinking 23 is a lot of threes (as in we're "settling for threes") because of our pace the last few years. 23 threes is nothing. This game is going to be a track meet. If we shoot that many we will have been balanced.
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Jan 5, 2018 11:36:30 GMT -5
Hoyas shot 9-24, last game in three pointers. 35% for the season, so no counting on 3's to ever bail us out lol. It's never a good idea to rely on three pointers. If they don't go in you will complain the Hoyas are playing soft and not taking or getting the ball inside the post where it should go. Shooting a lot of three's is always an issue when the Hoyas do this. They beat themselves when they do this. I think we keep thinking 23 is a lot of threes because of our pace the last few years. 23 threes is nothing. This game is going to be a track meet. If we shoot that many we will have been balanced. The object of the game of basketball is to play inside/out and then go from there. The Hoyas are shooting 35% from the three point line so far this season. Not a good look. They have a high free throw percentage 78.%, so, this tells me to keep pounding the ball into the post then maybe kick out for a jumper or three. Got it.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jan 5, 2018 11:47:57 GMT -5
We all know Creighton does a LOT of things well on offense, particular shooting where they rank among the best in the nation. Their defensive rebounding is also top 10.
But, to keep this positive, what does Creighton struggle with. A few key things:
- Forcing turnovers. While Creighton takes care of the ball well on offense, they don’t force turnovers on defense. In fact, they are among the worst in the nation - 335 of 351. Given our struggle with turnovers, this is good news. If we turn it over a lot it will likely be our sloppy play and not their defense.
- Creighton doesn’t get many offensive rebounds (275 of 351). To be fair this is likely in part because of their high shooting percentages (they make 61.7% of twos!).
- Creighton doesn’t get to the line much. They are ranked 274 of 351 in FTA/FGA.
- Creighton doesn’t get many steals (319 of 351) or blocks (264 of 351). This makes sense given that Creighton doesn’t force turnovers on defense.
Otherwise, as a team, Creighton is very good especially on offense. McDermott has always been a better offensive coach than defensive, and that’s evident this season.
I really think the key is avoiding turnovers and playing well on defense and keeping good rotations and help defense (something we have not excelled at thus far). Creighton is just too good a shooting team for us to give them tons of extra shots via turnovers - if we do, we probably cannot win.
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GIGAFAN99
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on Jan 5, 2018 11:57:34 GMT -5
I think we keep thinking 23 is a lot of threes because of our pace the last few years. 23 threes is nothing. This game is going to be a track meet. If we shoot that many we will have been balanced. The object of the game of basketball is to play inside/out and then go from there. The Hoyas are shooting 35% from the three point line so far this season. Not a good look. They have a high free throw percentage 78.%, so, this tells me to keep pounding the ball into the post then maybe kick out for a jumper or three. Got it. We're not disagreeing glide. We're 14th in the nation in FTA/FGA (#1 in conference) and 248th in 3PA/FGA (7th in conference) but we still shoot 20 threes a game. That's just a function of our pace. So the likelihood is, we will shoot 23 threes tomorrow playing our normal game against a team that also plays fast. Just hit them is all I'm saying!
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Jan 5, 2018 11:57:44 GMT -5
We all know Creighton does a LOT of things well on offense, particular shooting where they rank among the best in the nation. Their defensive rebounding is also top 10. But, to keep this positive, what does Creighton struggle with. A few key things: - Forcing turnovers. While Creighton takes care of the ball well on offense, they don’t force turnovers on defense. In fact, they are among the worst in the nation - 335 of 351. Given our struggle with turnovers, this is good news. If we turn it over a lot it will likely be our sloppy play and not their defense. - Creighton doesn’t get many offensive rebounds (275 of 351). To be fair this is likely in part because of their high shooting percentages (they make 61.7% of twos!). - Creighton doesn’t get to the line much. They are ranked 274 of 351 in FTA/FGA. - Creighton doesn’t get many steals (319 of 351) or blocks (264 of 351). This makes sense given that Creighton doesn’t force turnovers on defense. Otherwise, as a team, Creighton is very good especially on offense. McDermott has always been a better offensive coach than defensive, and that’s evident this season. I really think the key is avoiding turnovers and playing well on defense and keeping good rotations and help defense (something we have not excelled at thus far). Creighton is just too good a shooting team for us to give them tons of extra shots via turnovers - if we do, we probably cannot win. We play Saturday and I'm sure it'll be a different story. In the Big East all of this means nothing, nothing at all.
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Post by bostonfan on Jan 5, 2018 12:01:37 GMT -5
I think it has been pretty clear this season that for certain players (Pickett, Blair & Derrickson principally) if the open three is there they are expected to take it. Kaleb seemed to have more of a license to shoot threes in the OOC games but it could be that the better defenses in BE play just aren't allowing him time with his slow set-up. If these guys have time they are going to hoist some threes, and I think that's playing within Ewing's philosophy. Play fast and if you are a scorer with an open shot, take it. We ought to get a sense of how far this philosophy really goes next season with Mclung on board. If the defense is going to clog the middle and give open 3 pointers, then you need to take them, just don't get forced into taking quick threes or forcing them. Push the ball into the post and if the defense collapses, kick to an open shooter. Blair, Kaleb, Jessie and Marcus will make open threes when they are left alone. Just make sure that a few players are always getting back and slowing down the Creighton transition. The Blue Jays are really good when they can get out and run and play fast, but they will turn the ball over in the half court if you play solid defense. I really like the fact that the Hoyas play mush faster and look to push the ball whenever they can this year, but in this game against this opponent they need to be selective on when to run and force Creighton to play some defense.
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Post by GUJook97 on Jan 5, 2018 12:04:04 GMT -5
We all know Creighton does a LOT of things well on offense, particular shooting where they rank among the best in the nation. Their defensive rebounding is also top 10. But, to keep this positive, what does Creighton struggle with. A few key things: - Forcing turnovers. While Creighton takes care of the ball well on offense, they don’t force turnovers on defense. In fact, they are among the worst in the nation - 335 of 351. Given our struggle with turnovers, this is good news. If we turn it over a lot it will likely be our sloppy play and not their defense. - Creighton doesn’t get many offensive rebounds (275 of 351). To be fair this is likely in part because of their high shooting percentages (they make 61.7% of twos!). - Creighton doesn’t get to the line much. They are ranked 274 of 351 in FTA/FGA. - Creighton doesn’t get many steals (319 of 351) or blocks (264 of 351). This makes sense given that Creighton doesn’t force turnovers on defense. Otherwise, as a team, Creighton is very good especially on offense. McDermott has always been a better offensive coach than defensive, and that’s evident this season. I really think the key is avoiding turnovers and playing well on defense and keeping good rotations and help defense (something we have not excelled at thus far). Creighton is just too good a shooting team for us to give them tons of extra shots via turnovers - if we do, we probably cannot win. Actually didnt know all of this. That makes for a pretty good matchup for us, and truthfully, we've played Creighton pretty well over the BE years. Dont think they ever swept us right? I could be wrong.
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Post by kota on Jan 5, 2018 13:07:32 GMT -5
This has been asked before, but I have to ask again: Please post a way to see this game online as it is not on FSN in my area.
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Post by BigmanU on Jan 5, 2018 13:57:42 GMT -5
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Jan 5, 2018 15:14:18 GMT -5
The object of the game of basketball is to play inside/out and then go from there. The Hoyas are shooting 35% from the three point line so far this season. Not a good look. They have a high free throw percentage 78.%, so, this tells me to keep pounding the ball into the post then maybe kick out for a jumper or three. Got it. We're not disagreeing glide. We're 14th in the nation in FTA/FGA (#1 in conference) and 248th in 3PA/FGA (7th in conference) but we still shoot 20 threes a game. That's just a function of our pace. So the likelihood is, we will shoot 23 threes tomorrow playing our normal game against a team that also plays fast. Just hit them is all I'm saying! I know exactly what you're saying but that's crazy! The Hoyas are only shooting 35% from 3 pt. range. Not a good look. That's when we play soft instead playing tough and hard-nosed basketball kicking it inside the post. Feel me? I mean come on man. Has nothing to do with a function of our pace. This is why need a bonafide true point guard. You'll see once we get a couple.
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Post by bamahoya11 on Jan 5, 2018 16:14:59 GMT -5
I think this is a tough game, but we could pull the upset. To do that, I think we have to hope Govan and Derrickson show back up in a big way and hope that we get lucky with Creighton missing some shots they might otherwise make. Creighton will challenge us from outside, but we just need to play our game and not push too hard. So far, I think this team has done better than the teams of the last two years in not putting their heads down when other teams make a run. At least against Butler, we fought back and could have won the game. That said, we have been susceptible to big runs. We have to minimize that tomorrow.
I also wonder if it may be a bit quieter than normal at the arena tomorrow. It's very cold out, and I wonder if some folks may be reluctant to get out in single digit temperatures to go to a basketball game. That said, I plan to be there cheering them on.
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Post by centercourt400s on Jan 5, 2018 16:37:33 GMT -5
St. John's held Creighton to just two fast break points Wednesday night and committed just seven turnovers... yet still lost by 7. A big reason was that Creighton dominated the boards, +18 in rebounding margin.
So, the plan for the Hoyas is to limit Creighton fast break points, commit less than 12 turnovers, win the rebounding battle AND shoot well from three. It isn't going to be easy and we are going to need at least three starters to be at the top of their games and to produce.
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Post by kota on Jan 5, 2018 16:47:29 GMT -5
Thank you so much for the broadcast info. Think I've got it.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jan 5, 2018 17:31:25 GMT -5
We play Saturday and I'm sure it'll be a different story. In the Big East all of this means nothing, nothing at all. Obviously, anything can happen in a single game but it’s helpful to know an opponents’ strengths and weaknesses. That’s why major basketball teams scout other teams and look at analytics and video. It helps inform a game plan but it’s not everything. It is widespread in the NBA and college now. Personally, I look at it because I find it interesting to know a bit about our opponent. If you don’t care for it, no worries. But this is one factor among many that coaches across America look at in the modern game.
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Post by MCIGuy on Jan 5, 2018 17:53:38 GMT -5
We all know Creighton does a LOT of things well on offense, particular shooting where they rank among the best in the nation. Their defensive rebounding is also top 10. But, to keep this positive, what does Creighton struggle with. A few key things: - Forcing turnovers. While Creighton takes care of the ball well on offense, they don’t force turnovers on defense. In fact, they are among the worst in the nation - 335 of 351. Given our struggle with turnovers, this is good news. If we turn it over a lot it will likely be our sloppy play and not their defense. - Creighton doesn’t get many offensive rebounds (275 of 351). To be fair this is likely in part because of their high shooting percentages (they make 61.7% of twos!). - Creighton doesn’t get to the line much. They are ranked 274 of 351 in FTA/FGA. - Creighton doesn’t get many steals (319 of 351) or blocks (264 of 351). This makes sense given that Creighton doesn’t force turnovers on defense. Otherwise, as a team, Creighton is very good especially on offense. McDermott has always been a better offensive coach than defensive, and that’s evident this season. I really think the key is avoiding turnovers and playing well on defense and keeping good rotations and help defense (something we have not excelled at thus far). Creighton is just too good a shooting team for us to give them tons of extra shots via turnovers - if we do, we probably cannot win. We play Saturday and I'm sure it'll be a different story. In the Big East all of this means nothing, nothing at all. Well, if that's the case, if you want to dismiss Creighton's negative statistics from this young season because it "means nothing", then can the same argument be applied to the Hoyas' three-point woes which you are harping on? You can't have it both ways.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jan 5, 2018 18:21:37 GMT -5
St. John's held Creighton to just two fast break points Wednesday night and committed just seven turnovers... yet still lost by 7. A big reason was that Creighton dominated the boards, +18 in rebounding margin. So, the plan for the Hoyas is to limit Creighton fast break points, commit less than 12 turnovers, win the rebounding battle AND shoot well from three. It isn't going to be easy and we are going to need at least three starters to be at the top of their games and to produce. Actually, St. John's held their defensive boards just fine, only giving up 6 offensive boards. However, St. John's only got 2 offensive rebounds despite missing a ton of shots, including 20 threes. Creighton made more threes, took less of them and took a lot more free throws. Basically, Creighton just outshot SJU despite turning the ball over a lot. If SJU didn't Offensive rebound to completely sell out to avoid the fast break, it backfired big time. Creighton still shot incredibly well despite the lack of fast break possessions, and only had a bad game in terms of turnovers.
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lichoya68
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OK YOUNGINS ARE HERE AND ARE VERY VERY GOOD cant wait GO HOYAS
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Post by lichoya68 on Jan 5, 2018 18:41:57 GMT -5
FIRST KEEP THE TURNOVERS FOR US UNDER 15 and we CAN WIN yup hit the boards hustle for forty minutes or more and hit SOME threes RUN RUN RUN go hoyas YOU NEVER KNOW>
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lichoya68
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OK YOUNGINS ARE HERE AND ARE VERY VERY GOOD cant wait GO HOYAS
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Post by lichoya68 on Jan 5, 2018 18:42:27 GMT -5
PS put Kaleb on their best shooter if we can pick one GREAT SHOOTERS but go hoyas
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Post by SSHoya on Jan 5, 2018 22:21:02 GMT -5
Creighton 6 point favorite.
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Post by ewingitrust on Jan 6, 2018 8:08:12 GMT -5
Lol I'm sticking to the Depaul blueprint...under 15 Turnovers...we'll win the game
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