GIGAFAN99
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on Dec 30, 2017 21:15:30 GMT -5
you have to wonder is the up tempo nba style of offense is a good idea with the lack of talent in the backcourt. the team always looks rushed on offense. i'd almost opt for grind it out rock fights given the composition of the roster. Good Lord no! Winning 4 or 5 games playing ugly gets us nowhere. Changing the style and philosophy of the program will pay off down the road, even if it means an abysmal conference record. Agreed. Also, we'd lose rock fights too. I know we wish we were better right now but we're not. Ewing has to establish what he wants his team to look like and recruit to it. He's not in his 7th year in between NBA defectors or something where he has to tweak his gameplan. He has to establish his vision. The fact that we aren't going to have even a bad version of all the pieces to execute it is secondary.
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Post by madgesiq92 on Dec 30, 2017 22:07:07 GMT -5
The increase in turnovers from 14 to 23 in conference play is unheard of and coaching staff cannot be let of the hook that easily. That's because we are no longer playing the MEAC conference 14.1 turnovers was our average in BE conference play last season with similar talent.
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Post by the_way on Dec 30, 2017 22:19:26 GMT -5
It says a lot for the strength of our team that with 25 turnovers we only lost by 9. We have talent! Heart up and down the roster, and talent at the 4 and 5 positions. That is how good Jesse and especially Marcus both play. Most teams in the country would love to have them as starters. The problem is the guys with potential: Blair, Walker, and Picket, are raw and will show freshman inconsistencies. The guys with experience: Mosely and Johnson, are pretty much role players. Out of those guys, one or two guys may contribute a lot for a game here or there, but we need more consistency that they can't provide at this point. That is all are you going to get right now.
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iowa80
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Post by iowa80 on Dec 30, 2017 22:24:52 GMT -5
That's because we are no longer playing the MEAC conference 14.1 turnovers was our average in BE conference play last season with similar talent. Rodney=? LJ=?
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Post by zxhoya on Dec 30, 2017 22:25:54 GMT -5
you have to wonder is the up tempo nba style of offense is a good idea with the lack of talent in the backcourt. the team always looks rushed on offense. i'd almost opt for grind it out rock fights given the composition of the roster. Just because we're pushing the pace doesn't mean that we have to try and score directly from pushing the pace every time. I think this is a big issue with Mulmore and Dickerson, when they run they feel they have to score but it's not always feasible. When the opponents transition D is good we need to pull it out and set up the half court offense or even a secondary break. How many times has Mulmore and Dickerson just run over people for charges or forced a bad pass because they're just moving too fast and are out of control. I'll take basketball smarts over outright athletic ability any day, of course you'd want both.
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Post by zxhoya on Dec 30, 2017 22:29:02 GMT -5
It says a lot for the strength of our team that with 25 turnovers we only lost by 9. We have talent! Heart up and down the roster, and talent at the 4 and 5 positions. That is how good Jesse and especially Marcus both play. Most teams in the country would love to have them as starters. The problem is the guys with potential: Blair, Walker, and Picket, are raw and will show freshman inconsistencies. The guys with experience: Mosely and Johnson, are pretty much role players. Out of those guys, one or two guys may contribute a lot for a game here or there, but we need more consistency that they can't provide at this point. That is all are you going to get right now. This is a great post the_way, Church!
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Post by zxhoya on Dec 30, 2017 22:31:14 GMT -5
Heart up and down the roster, and talent at the 4 and 5 positions. That is how good Jesse and especially Marcus both play. Most teams in the country would love to have them as starters. The problem is the guys with potential: Blair, Walker, and Picket, are raw and will show freshman inconsistencies. The guys with experience: Mosely and Johnson, are pretty much role players. Out of those guys, one or two guys may contribute a lot for a game here or there, but we need more consistency that they can't provide at this point. That is all are you going to get right now. This is a great post the_way, Church! A drop the Mic post.
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GIGAFAN99
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on Dec 30, 2017 22:34:52 GMT -5
It says a lot for the strength of our team that with 25 turnovers we only lost by 9. We have talent! Heart up and down the roster, and talent at the 4 and 5 positions. That is how good Jesse and especially Marcus both play. Most teams in the country would love to have them as starters. The problem is the guys with potential: Blair, Walker, and Picket, are raw and will show freshman inconsistencies. The guys with experience: Mosely and Johnson, are pretty much role players. Out of those guys, one or two guys may contribute a lot for a game here or there, but we need more consistency that they can't provide at this point. That is all are you going to get right now. Pretty much sums it up.
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TC
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Post by TC on Dec 30, 2017 22:41:40 GMT -5
If Jagan is our best guard, we're in trouble. I dont think he is. Maybe 2nd...I go with J. Blair. Before tonight : Mosely : .534 FG%, .308 3P%, 2.6 APG, 1.5 TOPG Blair : .366 FG%, .327 3P%, 1.8 APG, 1.5 TOPG
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Post by jester on Dec 30, 2017 22:46:02 GMT -5
Heart up and down the roster, and talent at the 4 and 5 positions. That is how good Jesse and especially Marcus both play. Most teams in the country would love to have them as starters. The problem is the guys with potential: Blair, Walker, and Picket, are raw and will show freshman inconsistencies. The guys with experience: Mosely and Johnson, are pretty much role players. Out of those guys, one or two guys may contribute a lot for a game here or there, but we need more consistency that they can't provide at this point. That is all are you going to get right now. Pretty much sums it up. this. unfortunately this season will be painful at times, but looking forward to some major steps forward by the end of the year/BE tourney time for the freshmen to help us get excited for next year. With Mourning/Maclung/Leblanc/Malinowksi/Carter and possibly Govan back, along with a PG find, and development from Kaleb/Mosely...this team should have enough experience and pieces to push for NCAA tournament berth and for a change overachieve.
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TC
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Post by TC on Dec 30, 2017 22:56:15 GMT -5
this. unfortunately this season will be painful at times, but looking forward to some major steps forward by the end of the year/BE tourney time for the freshmen to help us get excited for next year. With Mourning/Maclung/Leblanc/Malinowksi/Carter and possibly Govan back, along with a PG find, and development from Kaleb/Mosely...this team should have enough experience and pieces to push for NCAA tournament berth and for a change overachieve. I think the key phrase there is "along with a PG find". If we don't get that, this team goes nowhere next year.
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Post by iheartdurenbros on Dec 30, 2017 23:10:20 GMT -5
you have to wonder is the up tempo nba style of offense is a good idea with the lack of talent in the backcourt. the team always looks rushed on offense. i'd almost opt for grind it out rock fights given the composition of the roster. JT3 decided to make this choice, giving up on uptempo and returning to Princeton last year. He lost credibility in the process. This is going to take time. Let’s enjoy the process.
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Post by daytonahoya31 on Dec 30, 2017 23:20:00 GMT -5
That's because we are no longer playing the MEAC conference 14.1 turnovers was our average in BE conference play last season with similar talent. Last year's team had LJ Peak and played an offense that wasn't reliant on a point guard to take care of the basketball.....Neither of that is the case right now
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Post by michaelgrahmstylie on Dec 30, 2017 23:27:37 GMT -5
I wanted to come and post my two cents first. I did not want them to be tainted in any way by the rich and intoxicating air spewed on this board (just kidding).
Seriously though, I hope somewhere tonight Ewing is telling our guys how proud he is of them. There is no cause for shame or alarm. Our guys showed up, they fought hard, however, tonight Marquette was the better team. It is so hard to come out on top when you are committing so many turn overs and the other team is knocking down approximately 60% of their three point shots.
We are a young and inexperienced team with no true point guard. I think everyone realizes what I am saying. So, to be completely honest, I wished we had won this game. We absorbed a lot of body blows and kept coming back; this is why I am most proud of this team.
If nothing else, I saw guts, determination, and character out there tonight. That's why I sincerely hope that Ewing is being too hard on the guys right now.
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Post by michaelgrahmstylie on Dec 30, 2017 23:45:59 GMT -5
This is not a poorly coached team. This is a team without the players - mainly the point guard play - needed to succeed. You can scream don't turn it over until you're blue in the face. But if your point guards are Division II level guys on a Big East roster, you're going to turn the ball over a lot...This is a recruiting issue, not a coaching issue The increase in turnovers from 14 to 23 in conference play is unheard of and coaching staff cannot be let of the hook that easily. Thank you! Enough said.
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Post by RockawayHoya on Dec 30, 2017 23:46:00 GMT -5
Just got back from the Bradley Center. Thankfully, only a handful of Hoya fans had to shield their eyes in the stadium every time Mulmore and Dickerson touched the ball. I sifted through about half of the pages, but most of the comments were dead on. We are beyond getting subpar play from the PG position, we are literally getting nothing. Mulmore/Dickerson combined for 31 minutes, 0 FGs, 0 ASTS, 8 TOs, 4 fouls and nothing that could be considered acceptable defense in this one. Some credit to Ewing for actually going with the no PG-lineup for the first time I can remember this year, but it was far too late and for not long enough. Put me squarely in the camp that believes all the minutes should be going to Mosely and Blair (and Walker when we need to go big); at least those are guys that you can at least see potentially developing in the years to come. It sucks that one of them will have to play out of position this year, but whoever does has to do so for the good of the team. Our PGs actually had me wishing for Drew Hall and Matt Causey; that should tell you all you need to know. It's time to shorten the rotation by 1-2; if guys complain about getting worn down from too many minutes, so be it. It also seemed like Pat tried a little zone today unlike in the Butler game, but unfortunately Marquette had some credible outside shooting and may have scared him from using it more than he would've liked. So I do give him more of a pass for at least trying to adjust in this one. Even with Rousey catching fire, the game was still there for the taking if we didn't shoot ourselves repeatedly in the foot with careless unforced turnovers. It'd be one thing if Marquette was playing exceptional defense... but they weren't. FWIW, I still think we need to be playing more zone than we should. There isn't a guy on the team that I would consider an above average 1-on-1 on the ball defender either on the perimeter or in the post, so we have to limit exposing any of them as much as possible. In other words, it's time for Louis Orr to start earning those paychecks. Jessie did seem to have an off day today, but honestly if his off day is 11 and 12, then he's come a long way. And he has. A lot of credit goes to Marquette for doubling both Jessie and Marcus the second they put the ball on the floor. Taking away one thing the opponent likes to do is something competent teams can accomplish, and we aren't there yet from both a personnel or coaching standpoint. I don't think anyone came into today thinking a 9 point loss on the road at a place where we never seem to win would be surprising. But what irks all of us is how we lost it. 46 turnovers in 2 conference games... we keep that up and going 5-13 will seem like a pipe dream pretty soon.
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Post by michaelgrahmstylie on Dec 30, 2017 23:48:31 GMT -5
Sorry but team is poorly coached. Kids haven’t been taught to value the ball. 22.5 turnovers a game in Big East play. Message needs to be— you turn it over, you sit. This is not a poorly coached team. This is a team without the players - mainly the point guard play - needed to succeed. You can scream don't turn it over until you're blue in the face. But if your point guards are Division II level guys on a Big East roster, you're going to turn the ball over a lot...This is a recruiting issue, not a coaching issue Thank you! Enough said.
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Post by michaelgrahmstylie on Dec 30, 2017 23:50:29 GMT -5
you have to wonder is the up tempo nba style of offense is a good idea with the lack of talent in the backcourt. the team always looks rushed on offense. i'd almost opt for grind it out rock fights given the composition of the roster. Remember, we are trying to get guys to come to Georgetown.
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Post by OldHoyafan on Dec 30, 2017 23:59:00 GMT -5
If Jagan is our best guard, we're in trouble. I dont think he is. Maybe 2nd...I go with J. Blair. To be honest both Moseley and Blair are more suited to be small forwards. Their handles are more suited to driving the baseline than in the middle of the court. However because there really are no other options, Patrick has been trying to play them at the one and two positions respectively. Moseley sees less time than Mulmore, because he has been playing tentively the whole year. He has little confidence in his ability to drive he middle of the lane, fearful that he will be stripped and little confidence in his 3pt stroke to take the shot, fearful that he will miss. I agree with all who say that Mulmore and Dickerson are not D1 pg’s, but they do try to drive the lane , even though they don’t have the skills to get all the way there if there is anyone’s there in front of them and even when they get all the way to the hoop, they are so surprised that they got there, that they miss the shot, but they at least tried. Moseley and Blair could play 2guard or small forward on a team that had a D1 pg that could penetrate the lane and put pressure on the defense. I watched some of the DePaul v Xavier game today and DePaul has a pg coming off the bench that is heads and shoulders above any guard the Hoyas put on the court. To be honest if I were Patrick, Dickerson would not play any meaningful minutes the rest of the way. Mulmore would be used to spell Moseley for a few minutes and that’s all. Mosely is not the answer at the pg or 2guard position, but he does have a higher B.B. IQ than Mulmore or Dickerson. This is just my observation of Moseley, but he seems to like to look good with his passes, i.e., the behind the back, or look away passes, which may cause his tentativeness in driving the lane or shooting the 3pt shot. Patrick has played Blair more b/c even though he does not have the handle to consistently drive the lane to shoot his floater, he has had no qualms in trying. I hope that Moseley loses his inhibitions about driving the lane and shooting 3 pt shots and goes for it. You are only going to get better if you try and fail rather than not trying at all. Patrick is betting that Blair and Pickett will get better at shooting and driving the lane by the end of the season by not having any inhibitions to try doing the game not just in practice. He will do the same for Moseley. SO JUST DO IT young man go for it.
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Post by riley32ps on Dec 31, 2017 2:08:42 GMT -5
After viewing game came away frustrated at guard play but saying "believe future is very bright". As has been stated, need guards, guards, guards. It may be the 19-20 season before we make that step back to being in the hunt for the NCAAs. See big positives with the style of play change, type of recruits we are seeing coupled with the high energy on the recruiting trail, the sources of coaching wisdom Coach Ewing can tap, and the competitiveness we're seeing with this initial group despite the talent shortcomings. Hoping to see Walker and Blair get more playing time with an eye towards the future. JP is a kid who could be All American caliber by junior year. Get him in the weight room and use part of this year to work on his post up game so he develop into an in and out weapon.
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