zxhoya
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Post by zxhoya on Dec 30, 2017 19:18:01 GMT -5
Sadly, my untrained eyes don't see Jagan as any worse a defender than our other guards. And while he is obviously not a point guard, I do feel more comfortable with him handling the rock (comfortable is a very relative term here) than any of the others. He is not any worse. But he is not any better. Our guards are liabilities on both ends. He may not be great, but he's better than Mulmickerson. I was gonna combine their names starting with Dickerson but that may have gotten me in trouble.
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adm1hoya
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Post by adm1hoya on Dec 30, 2017 19:18:20 GMT -5
If the story that was written in Mulmore's recruiting thread is to be believed, I don't think JT3 ever saw Mulmore play.. He was offered because JT3 trusted Broadus.. And if I were JT3 I would punch Broadus in the face the next time we met. Because that decision alone should of had him fired.
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dchoya72
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Post by dchoya72 on Dec 30, 2017 19:18:38 GMT -5
It says a lot for the strength of our team that with 25 turnovers we only lost by 9. We have talent!
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Dec 30, 2017 19:18:52 GMT -5
If Jagan is our best guard, we're in trouble. I dont think he is. Maybe 2nd...I go with J. Blair. Not yet. But he has the potential to be.
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EtomicB
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Post by EtomicB on Dec 30, 2017 19:19:32 GMT -5
Be fair, Broadus was the lead on Mulmore.. I get what you are saying with Broadus and you are right. But if Mulmore would have been a hit JTIII would have gotten the credit for recruiting and developing him also. Honestly I would still say be fair & give credit to Broadus.. It works both ways in my view..
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Dec 30, 2017 19:20:17 GMT -5
He is not any worse. But he is not any better. Our guards are liabilities on both ends. He may not be great, but he's better than Mulmickerson. No he is not. Jagan can't stay with any guard with quickness. All of our guards are poor defenders.
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beenaround
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Post by beenaround on Dec 30, 2017 19:23:27 GMT -5
I think Blair has a good stroke from outside...it just seems that he needs a lot of space to get it off right now. I think the release is a bit slow and perhaps he lacks some confidence, understandably. If he can release it quicker and be as accurate, he could be a threat..at least to a greater extent than anyone else. Not in love with his handle and penchant to drag his foot.
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zxhoya
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Post by zxhoya on Dec 30, 2017 19:26:04 GMT -5
He may not be great, but he's better than Mulmickerson. No he is not. Jagan can't stay with any guard with quickness. All of our guards are poor defenders. We'll just agree to disagree. Maybe I'm so blinded by the awfulness of that combo that I just want Jagan to get the full time opportunity to be equally awful.
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Post by dchoya72 on Dec 30, 2017 19:29:55 GMT -5
"The way", that"s unfair to III, we had some very decent guards and point guards during his tenure. However, the style of play was abysmal and our record over a succession of years was not attractive to great players...we were going down hill fast!
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Post by daytonahoya31 on Dec 30, 2017 19:32:59 GMT -5
The hard truth is this: Our starting point guard is not a Division I player at the Big East level, and maybe not at any level. Our backup point guard has no business being on a Big East roster, and probably not a Division I roster. And we don't have a lot of shooting. So, I'm just gonna look at this season as a tool for developing the young guys. Pickett, Walker, Jagan, Juggy, all of those guys should be given priority playing time, along with Marcus and Jessie....let's try and develop the future, because we have too many glaring holes in key places to win a lot of games at the Big East level....
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Post by daytonahoya31 on Dec 30, 2017 19:40:17 GMT -5
Sorry but team is poorly coached. Kids haven’t been taught to value the ball. 22.5 turnovers a game in Big East play. Message needs to be— you turn it over, you sit. This is not a poorly coached team. This is a team without the players - mainly the point guard play - needed to succeed. You can scream don't turn it over until you're blue in the face. But if your point guards are Division II level guys on a Big East roster, you're going to turn the ball over a lot...This is a recruiting issue, not a coaching issue
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Dec 30, 2017 19:53:06 GMT -5
No he is not. Jagan can't stay with any guard with quickness. All of our guards are poor defenders. We'll just agree to disagree. Maybe I'm so blinded by the awfulness of that combo that I just want Jagan to get the full time opportunity to be equally awful. I agree that Jagan deserves far more minutes than Mulmore. I just think they are both poor defenders.
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Post by hobokenhoya on Dec 30, 2017 19:54:19 GMT -5
Yep. Add in the fact that Jagan will be here next season, and it’s a total no-brainer. Mulmore just doesn’t have any D1 skills other than speed. He looks like a track guy trying to play bball. Just shouldn’t be on the floor in critical situations. Give 70% of his time to Jagan and Blair. I agree completely, play the young kids.. THIS!!! Mulmore and Dickerson aren't part of the future and they aren't doing anything to help the present so let's go Jagan and Blair as much as possible.
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Post by sleepy on Dec 30, 2017 20:11:14 GMT -5
Yep. Add in the fact that Jagan will be here next season, and it’s a total no-brainer. Mulmore just doesn’t have any D1 skills other than speed. He looks like a track guy trying to play bball. Just shouldn’t be on the floor in critical situations. Give 70% of his time to Jagan and Blair. I agree that Mulmore needs to be buried on the bench. But if you guys really think Jagan brings defense, you are not paying attention. He is a very poor defender. Agree on Jagan's D. Last year the effort and basic positioing made me think he would be a better than adequate defender. but watching him this year he just cannot go laterally to his right we have had many like that over the last few years but for some reason his lack of D really stands out this year.
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Post by vv83 on Dec 30, 2017 20:11:54 GMT -5
Isn't this game exactly what we all expected coming into the season - trying to play up-tempo basketball, in a tough conference, with no point guards and inexperienced/limited shooting guards? This result was pretty much what I expected from every game.
We can't get caught up in wins and losses (unless you really enjoy losses!). The key is the effort and style of play. We could have easily lost this game by 25+ points. When we got down 15 or so midway through the second half, instead of packing it in - we dug in and kept fighting. For me, that makes this a relatively OK performance. In fact, holding Marquette to 74 points in a game with a lot of possessions is actually a half decent defensive game. Nobody did anything except for Rousey - who did .... a lot.
We are playing fast with no guards who can dribble - 20+ turnovers is going to be the norm until we get much better guards.
Hopefully some under rated 3 star point guard who can really handle the ball will watch some of our games and realize that he can move right into the starting lineup with a group of solid frontcourt players, a HOF coach, and an uptempo stye of play. In a good league, at a great school. Until we get that point guard, a lot of games are going to look like this
One key is that Ewing won't give up on playing fast. He knows that we absolutely need to play that way
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Post by madgesiq92 on Dec 30, 2017 20:14:14 GMT -5
"The way", that"s unfair to III, we had some very decent guards and point guards during his tenure. However, the style of play was abysmal and our record over a succession of years was not attractive to great players...we were going down hill fast! As opposed to the “attractive” 23 turnover per game style of play?
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madgesiq92
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Post by madgesiq92 on Dec 30, 2017 20:22:03 GMT -5
Sorry but team is poorly coached. Kids haven’t been taught to value the ball. 22.5 turnovers a game in Big East play. Message needs to be— you turn it over, you sit. This is not a poorly coached team. This is a team without the players - mainly the point guard play - needed to succeed. You can scream don't turn it over until you're blue in the face. But if your point guards are Division II level guys on a Big East roster, you're going to turn the ball over a lot...This is a recruiting issue, not a coaching issue The increase in turnovers from 14 to 23 in conference play is unheard of and coaching staff cannot be let of the hook that easily.
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HoyaFanNY
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Post by HoyaFanNY on Dec 30, 2017 20:32:27 GMT -5
you have to wonder is the up tempo nba style of offense is a good idea with the lack of talent in the backcourt. the team always looks rushed on offense. i'd almost opt for grind it out rock fights given the composition of the roster.
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Post by daytonahoya31 on Dec 30, 2017 20:34:25 GMT -5
This is not a poorly coached team. This is a team without the players - mainly the point guard play - needed to succeed. You can scream don't turn it over until you're blue in the face. But if your point guards are Division II level guys on a Big East roster, you're going to turn the ball over a lot...This is a recruiting issue, not a coaching issue The increase in turnovers from 14 to 23 in conference play is unheard of and coaching staff cannot be let of the hook that easily. That's because we are no longer playing the MEAC conference
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Dec 30, 2017 21:02:33 GMT -5
you have to wonder is the up tempo nba style of offense is a good idea with the lack of talent in the backcourt. the team always looks rushed on offense. i'd almost opt for grind it out rock fights given the composition of the roster. Good Lord no! Winning 4 or 5 games playing ugly gets us nowhere. Changing the style and philosophy of the program will pay off down the road, even if it means an abysmal conference record.
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