the_way
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Post by the_way on Dec 30, 2017 18:54:12 GMT -5
Bringing a knife to a gunfight.
When you can't shoot from three. Heck, when you can't really shoot from 2 on the perimeter. When you don't have many ballhandlers on the roster. And the ones you do have, their best skill is to find a way to turn the ball over. On top of that, even if they beat their man down the court or off the dribble, they can't finish at the rack with a bucket or foul.
I've never seen anything like this. Derrickson and Govan are the only guys I trust from the 3 or 2 on the perimeter. They are a center and power forward.
In spite of all this.....the games are competitive. They pretty much go down to the wire.
The opposing team isn't fatigued from playing defense against us, which probably helps their offense and stresses our defense more.
Props to our guys. The fight is there. They are going to have to fight all season.
Defensively, maybe there is something schematically we could be doing differently? Some of these buckets are just too easy.
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Post by SSHoya on Dec 30, 2017 18:56:06 GMT -5
Yes Mulmore was awful but Mosley does not have a great handle and also has been guilty of incredibly careless turnovers including tonight. There are no guards on this team who are capable of playing at this level right now WYSIWYG. I can't imagine a great improvement in the guards' level of play going forward.
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Post by EtomicB on Dec 30, 2017 18:56:37 GMT -5
Mulmore shouldn't be allowed to step on a D1 floor...EVER! Why was he ever offered a schollie? What does he bring? I don't know, but that is on JTIII...I don't know what he saw in him Be fair, Broadus was the lead on Mulmore..
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the_way
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Post by the_way on Dec 30, 2017 19:00:58 GMT -5
I don't know, but that is on JTIII...I don't know what he saw in him Be fair, Broadus was the lead on Mulmore.. Our ace recruiter during the III era. Different viewpoints about the results.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Dec 30, 2017 19:01:12 GMT -5
Jagan needs to start at the point period. He brings toughness and D. It’s not like Mulmore brings assists and low TO numbers. Yep. Add in the fact that Jagan will be here next season, and it’s a total no-brainer. Mulmore just doesn’t have any D1 skills other than speed. He looks like a track guy trying to play bball. Just shouldn’t be on the floor in critical situations. Give 70% of his time to Jagan and Blair. I agree that Mulmore needs to be buried on the bench. But if you guys really think Jagan brings defense, you are not paying attention. He is a very poor defender.
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Post by zxhoya on Dec 30, 2017 19:01:59 GMT -5
Could someone give the final stat line for Dickerson and Mulmore? Mulmore & Dickerson 3 pts, 4 rebs, 0 asst, 2 stls, 8 to's This is simply amazing! 0 assist. In the Butler game thread I miraculously stated that I would prefer Dickerson over Mulmore, clearly I was delusional because the correct answer is.... C.) None of the above. We have to have the poorest point guard tandem in the BE, maybe even in all of the major BBall conferences.
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Post by bamahoya11 on Dec 30, 2017 19:02:28 GMT -5
Yes Mulmore was awful but Mosley does not have a great handle and also has been guilty of incredibly careless turnovers including tonight. There are no guards on this team who are capable of playing at this level right now That's more or less where I'm at. It's hard to fault the Coach's allocation of minutes when none of our guards can handle the ball and none of them can shoot consistently. I remember after the Syracuse game the dominant complaint on this board was that Ewing left Mulmore out in the key moments of the game. Tonight, it's that he left him in. There just aren't any good options, especially at point guard. At this point, I favor Blair and Jagan only because I see the benefit in getting experience for both of them. But we aren't going to suddenly become an effective ball handling team this year. Or a good three point team. It's going to take recruiting, possibly a few years of it, to fix this.
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Post by dchoya72 on Dec 30, 2017 19:02:46 GMT -5
Anything said by me would be kicking a dead horse. I missed the first half entirely. From what I saw in the 2nd half, our guard play is woeful--no concentration, poise or confidence.
I hardly think this ball handling factor will get better. Folks have said a gazillion times we need a point guard. I had hopes that someone would step up. Nothing I've seen says there is anyone on the squad who can step up to meet the need. This kills the efficiency of the talent we do have. Don't know if he's interested, but watching that little guy kill us only makes me think of Markquis Nowell. Why not??!!
The post graduate, Tre Dickerson, is not ready for prime time...he's always out of control. We have no on the court leadership!!! This is the first time that I believe the body language of our team, particularly the guards, looked scared!!! Didnt see much of Jahvon Blair. This is a grind, some big time growth has to take place. Maybe Pickett is dialing in, that corner jumper looked true.
Thinking about next year, MacLung will need someone to give him the ball. Where will we find him? He, whoever he is, has to come in ready!!! That's why I'm high on Markquis, he looks like he has the skills. SOS, SOS! Sorry, watching the second half made me go insane.
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Post by beenaround on Dec 30, 2017 19:04:40 GMT -5
Sadly, my untrained eyes don't see Jagan as any worse a defender than our other guards. And while he is obviously not a point guard, I do feel more comfortable with him handling the rock (comfortable is a very relative term here) than any of the others.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Dec 30, 2017 19:07:00 GMT -5
I don't know, but that is on JTIII...I don't know what he saw in him Be fair, Broadus was the lead on Mulmore.. JTIII signed off on him.
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Post by EtomicB on Dec 30, 2017 19:07:12 GMT -5
Jagan needs to start at the point period. He brings toughness and D. It’s not like Mulmore brings assists and low TO numbers. Yep. Add in the fact that Jagan will be here next season, and it’s a total no-brainer. Mulmore just doesn’t have any D1 skills other than speed. He looks like a track guy trying to play bball. Just shouldn’t be on the floor in critical situations. Give 70% of his time to Jagan and Blair. I agree completely, play the young kids..
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the_way
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Post by the_way on Dec 30, 2017 19:08:26 GMT -5
Jagan is our best guard on the roster. Again, only a sophomore. Still room to grow.
However, he is more of a utility guy at this point. Not really a 2 or 1, just a combo guard to eat up minutes.
Right now we need more than that. Not Jagan's fault. But it is the situation we are in now.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Dec 30, 2017 19:09:06 GMT -5
Sadly, my untrained eyes don't see Jagan as any worse a defender than our other guards. And while he is obviously not a point guard, I do feel more comfortable with him handling the rock (comfortable is a very relative term here) than any of the others. He is not any worse. But he is not any better. Our guards are liabilities on both ends.
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Post by EtomicB on Dec 30, 2017 19:09:24 GMT -5
Be fair, Broadus was the lead on Mulmore.. JTIII signed off on him. If the story that was written in Mulmore's recruiting thread is to be believed, I don't think JT3 ever saw Mulmore play.. He was offered because JT3 trusted Broadus..
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the_way
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Post by the_way on Dec 30, 2017 19:11:04 GMT -5
Given JTIII's track record, he probably would have signed him if he had seen Mulmore play.
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Post by dchoya72 on Dec 30, 2017 19:12:38 GMT -5
If Jagan is our best guard, we're in trouble. I dont think he is. Maybe 2nd...I go with J. Blair.
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Post by This Just In on Dec 30, 2017 19:13:03 GMT -5
I don't know, but that is on JTIII...I don't know what he saw in him Be fair, Broadus was the lead on Mulmore.. I get what you are saying with Broadus and you are right. But if Mulmore would have been a hit JTIII would have gotten the credit for recruiting and developing him also.
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Post by adm1hoya on Dec 30, 2017 19:14:12 GMT -5
Mulmore & Dickerson 3 pts, 4 rebs, 0 asst, 2 stls, 8 to's This is simply amazing! 0 assist. In the Butler game thread I miraculously stated that I would prefer Dickerson over Mulmore, clearly I was delusional because the correct answer is.... C.) None of the above. We have to have the poorest point guard tandem in the BE, maybe even in all of the major BBall conferences. I don't know why, but this has me laughing hysterically.
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Post by zxhoya on Dec 30, 2017 19:14:39 GMT -5
Sadly, my untrained eyes don't see Jagan as any worse a defender than our other guards. And while he is obviously not a point guard, I do feel more comfortable with him handling the rock (comfortable is a very relative term here) than any of the others. Exactly. You have to believe that the more he plays, the more opportunity he has to grow whereas that's not the case for the other two.
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Post by the_way on Dec 30, 2017 19:14:59 GMT -5
If Jagan is our best guard, we're in trouble. I dont think he is. Maybe 2nd...I go with J. Blair. Who do you trust more on the court, all things considered? I'd trust Jagan at this point. That may change. Jagan has a year's worth of experience over Blair.
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