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Post by michaelgrahmstylie on Dec 28, 2017 8:57:21 GMT -5
I think coach realizes a lot of thinks including players have to play. He's not on the floor. He needs a coach in the floor, as many say.. a point guard. I believe with this style of play, we will get a great point guard. Would be nice to get Moses Brown and the Cole kid. They would be nice acquisitions. Coach is building a team in his image, it takes time, talent and growing pains to get chemistry and cohesion. He coaching them hard, and they will grow. I love it. Love your comments. I guess the both of us must be related to Ewing.
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Post by michaelgrahmstylie on Dec 28, 2017 9:18:28 GMT -5
Glide, if I may, um, interject for a moment. Tough loss. Hard not to be pleased with the way the team looks, though. Govan and Derrickson have bounced back beautifully, Govan taking it strong under the hoop, and Derrickson being in position on O to utilize his talents, both big changes from last year. I was watching the game as best I could while at work (shhh), and was surprised at the lack of Mosely down the stretch. That was a vintage slapstick mess at the end of OT, waited a couple of seconds too long before getting going, and then... nothing, Ah well, Coach seems intent on getting certain people up and running, hopefully they'll get it ironed out. All in all, we seem very competitive, and I am pumped to get over the hump and take some big games as the season progresses. Back to you, Glide! Be careful with your glass-half-full comments on this board. I agree. I truly believe we will get there. We are going to have to be patient with our guys. The one thing I will add is that they are not, for the most part, afraid to shoot the rock. Let them play; let them grow; let them learn.
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Post by bamahoya11 on Dec 28, 2017 9:23:33 GMT -5
I am just now getting around to being able to write something on this game. First, losing an 18 point halftime lead is inexcusable. It shouldn't ever happen, particularly against a Butler team that is not an exceptional team. Butler played well and was capable of adjusting both on offense and defense, but this was a game that should have been decided in regulation. This game was pivotal for both teams, and Butler got it. For what it's worth, I think Ewing knows this. He's a competitor, and he knows this sort of thing shouldn't happen.
That said, I think this game exposed in a lot of ways that we just aren't a very good team right now. That's not Ewing's fault. He is coaching a team that he inherited. That team has some good players, but those good players mask a lot of holes.
This team is all about Govan and Derrickson. I thought Derrickson was exceptional last night. But we don't have anyone who can give them meaningful relief on the bench. By the end of the game, they were clearly worn out. It was really, really tough for them to defend in either overtime. Our far bigger weakness, though, is that we don't have a single consistent backcourt player. Not one. We have a lot of guys who show flashes, or do certain things well, but no one who can consistently give us reliable ball handling, shot making, and passing in the backcourt.
Replaying the game in my head, two things stand out that made the difference. One is that the lane was wide open in the second half. Butler's players would consistently blow by our guards. A guard would make a wrong read or pivot to the wrong side and Butler was off to the races. The second was the repetitive turnovers. We cannot handle the ball well, and we really struggle to handle and pass against the zone. All of that set up for a big comeback win.
Tough night-- on to Marquette.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2017 9:38:42 GMT -5
Too many turnovers (13) by Pickett, Mulmore and Blair. Butler's entire team had 12 turnovers. And if Johnson is going to get over 30 minutes a game, he needs to score more than 2 points.
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Dec 28, 2017 9:45:42 GMT -5
You have to make Martin give up the ball!! This! You have to "DENY" Martin the ball. Once he gets his on it it's going down!
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Dec 28, 2017 9:47:27 GMT -5
Glide: You've posted 14 times in 29 minutes. Try to avoid separate responses to each post. I'm commenting on each post I read, why is that a problem? And so what, I love hoops and my team. Ya'll always have something to say. Geez. Didn't know I was being timed on my typing speed. I won't apologize for my quick thinking maybe we need a point guard that can make good decisions in split seconds like I type? Hahaha. Happy New Year! #donthatetheplaya #icantbreathe #imallthewayup Hoyas4Ever you see this man. Oh, also I gave lots of thumbs up too. lol Damn, I took a 2 to 3 hiatus and all hell breaks loose.
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Dec 28, 2017 9:53:22 GMT -5
Glide, if I may, um, interject for a moment. Tough loss. Hard not to be pleased with the way the team looks, though. Govan and Derrickson have bounced back beautifully, Govan taking it strong under the hoop, and Derrickson being in position on O to utilize his talents, both big changes from last year. I was watching the game as best I could while at work (shhh), and was surprised at the lack of Mosely down the stretch. That was a vintage slapstick mess at the end of OT, waited a couple of seconds too long before getting going, and then... nothing, Ah well, Coach seems intent on getting certain people up and running, hopefully they'll get it ironed out. All in all, we seem very competitive, and I am pumped to get over the hump and take some big games as the season progresses. Back to you, Glide! Be careful with your glass-half-full comments on this board. I agree. I truly believe we will get there. We are going to have to be patient with our guys. The one thing I will add is that they are not, for the most part, afraid to shoot the rock. Let them play; let them grow; let them learn. #donthatetheplaya and thank you! any more complaints? lol
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Post by This Just In on Dec 28, 2017 10:17:01 GMT -5
The team looks greatly improved over the last 2 years. The offense is very fluent and constantly looking to attack (no more swinging the ball around the perimeter as the shot clock expires). Not during crunch time it's the same thing. Guard play. This is troubling as the swing the ball around perimeter coincided with Butler switching to a zone defense.
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Post by centercourt400s on Dec 28, 2017 10:18:03 GMT -5
Glide: You've posted 14 times in 29 minutes. Try to avoid separate responses to each post. I'm commenting on each post I read, why is that a problem? And so what, I love hoops and my team. Ya'll always something to say. Geez. Didn't know I was being timed on my typing speed. I won't apologize for my quick thinking maybe we need a point guard that can make good decisions in split seconds like I type? Hahaha. Happy New Year! #donthatetheplaya #icantbreathe #imallthewayup Hoyas4Ever you see this man. Oh, also I gave lots of thumbs up too. lol Glide - I love your enthusiasm but the problem is that with the volume you are posting at it becomes very difficult to read through these threads because it is all about you and your opinions. What makes Hoyatalk interesting is getting to read a variety of opinions and viewpoints. Right now you are just dominating everything and really degrading the experience. Please consider the experience of others when you post. Not asking you to stop, just please tone it down a bit, ok?
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Post by iheartdurenbros on Dec 28, 2017 10:19:30 GMT -5
I don’t know whether anyone has pointed this out, but Butler really packed the paint on the defensive end after half-time. Hoyas needed three-point shooters out there. That’s my guess as to why Pickett and Blair played together. When you play Mosely and Mulmore together there is no reason for the defense to come out to perimeter. Coach doesn’t have great choices really. It’s important to remember that JT3 left the guard position very weak. While nominally a senior, Mulmore is only a second-year player. Mosely and Blair show promise, but they still need more experience. Let’s root for their development. If Mosely, for instance, can become more of a perimeter threat, that would be huge.
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Post by mapei on Dec 28, 2017 10:27:30 GMT -5
I don't think most of us are giving Butler nearly enough credit. They played more slowly in the first half but really stepped up their defensive intensity in the second and thereafter. To my eyes, that's what changed the game. They also shot lights out (64% in the second half!), which almost always leads to a win and definitely limited our ability to rebound and run. In my mind Butler won this game every bit as much as - or more than - we lost it.
To add some additional contrarian perspective, few people thought we would be able to stay with the likes of Syracuse and Butler prior to the season. Believe it or not, we're seeing progress.
That said, of course we could use a stud point guard and a more dominant player or two (Jessie and Marcus are very good, but I wouldn't call them dominant against good competition). Our freshmen do make too many mistakes. But I wish this board showed more support for the players we have.
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Post by hoyainla on Dec 28, 2017 10:28:38 GMT -5
How we didn't go to zone in the 2nd half when they were just running into the paint every time is baffling. How we didn't get the ball to the FT line when they went to 2-3 zone is baffling. I mentioned early in the game that they were getting whatever shot they wanted, they were just missing them. This team is playing hard I will give them that. The personnel/play calling decisions are questionable, especially in crunch time. Not saying we have great answers but we do have better answers than others and they aren't being put in the correct spots.
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Post by This Just In on Dec 28, 2017 10:29:16 GMT -5
Those cup cake games or tune ups whatever you want to call it has started to look like a disservice to this team as now in both losses against similar talented teams the Hoyas have failed to close out the game. A couple of those cup cake games is okay but too much may give confidence to the players but it fails them in knowing how finish (ie. what shots to take, who should be taking the shots during crunch time).
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Post by hoyainla on Dec 28, 2017 10:39:39 GMT -5
To add some additional contrarian perspective, few people thought we would be able to stay with the likes of Syracuse and Butler prior to the season. Believe it or not, we're seeing progress. (Jessie and Marcus are very good, but I wouldn't call them dominant against good competition). I couldn't disagree more with these 2 statements. I think more than half this board thought we would win 1 of 2 of those games. There are a lot of people that realize how bad JT3's coaching was and know this team could win games. If a good coach was at the helm this team would be easily undefeated. Not saying Pat won't get there but he's not close yet. The reason is because Jessie and Marcus are so good. They can both play on the block and have 3 point range. For some reason PE isn't a fan of them stepping out to th 3 point line which is a huge mistake I think. Just imagine if last night Jessie was taking the 3's as we were crumbling instead of the freshman. I just hope this isn't a sign of what's to come. The game had passed JT3 by and that was his problem. If Pat thinks big guys should just stay on the block then that's a bad sign. Seeing he was in the NBA so long he should know this. I guess we will see.
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Post by hoyainla on Dec 28, 2017 10:42:07 GMT -5
Those cup cake games or tune ups whatever you want to call it has started to look like a disservice to this team as now in both losses against similar talented teams the Hoyas have failed to close out the game. A couple of those cup cake games is okay but too much may give confidence to the players but it fails them in knowing how finish (ie. what shots to take, who should be taking the shots during crunch time). This was my complaint all along. The logic of all cupcakes to gain confidence is a bad one. By that theory this team now has no confidence and is in BE play. The schedule backers simply looked at last years team which was in shambles because of JT3's coaching and made it out to be more than that.
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Post by mapei on Dec 28, 2017 10:44:56 GMT -5
If Pat thinks big guys should just stay on the block then that's a bad sign. I agree with this part of your post.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Dec 28, 2017 10:47:11 GMT -5
If you play a tougher schedule and compound losses, that doesn't help confidence either. We are a few bounces away from being 12-0 and nationally ranked. Pickett, Blair, Mosely and Walker will be solid upperclassmen. The '18 recruits look solid. A few more pieces and we can climb to the top half of the conference. Mac is a solid start, but we need another heady playmaker.
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Dec 28, 2017 10:49:37 GMT -5
I'm commenting on each post I read, why is that a problem? And so what, I love hoops and my team. Ya'll always something to say. Geez. Didn't know I was being timed on my typing speed. I won't apologize for my quick thinking maybe we need a point guard that can make good decisions in split seconds like I type? Hahaha. Happy New Year! #donthatetheplaya #icantbreathe #imallthewayup Hoyas4Ever you see this man. Oh, also I gave lots of thumbs up too. lol Glide - I love your enthusiasm but the problem is that with the volume you are posting at it becomes very difficult to read through these threads because it is all about you and your opinions. What makes Hoyatalk interesting is getting to read a variety of opinions and viewpoints. Right now you are just dominating everything and really degrading the experience. Please consider the experience of others when you post. Not asking you to stop, just please tone it down a bit, ok? No, you're assuming it's all about me, it's what you people always do, "ASSUME" instead of ask. I never knew there was a problem with me responding to peoples comments. SO, what don't you ask instead of assume next time? I know what makes Hoyatalk interesting, people's comments, questions and answers, duhhhh. Dominating??? Did you ever ask me was I "intentionally" doing this. Have you given me ways to help me instead of ASSUME? Degrading? Is is it jealousy or hate? Which one? Fans that truly know me and people who truly know, know my heart. The know how considerate, thoughtful and respectful I am. Some of you don't even know me, but take shots at me behind a keyboard. Is it because of my skin color. I'm asking instead of assuming. Tone down??? No, it's not okay!!! It's BS. I can't help if I know my stuff. Stop the hate and assumptions and ask questions first. I can't win from losing on this board. Some of the worst fans in the world lie in here. I love reading the comments and responding to them. I thumbs up on most posts I like, is my thumbs on most posts here bothering you as well? smh Grow up! I wish could the kid, who as I was leaving the arena last didn't have a Ewing bobble head I gave him my bobble just to see his eyes light up. To know me is to love me. To hate me ...well I'll let you figure that one out. #donthatetheplay #icantbreathe
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Dec 28, 2017 10:50:56 GMT -5
Those cup cake games or tune ups whatever you want to call it has started to look like a disservice to this team as now in both losses against similar talented teams the Hoyas have failed to close out the game. A couple of those cup cake games is okay but too much may give confidence to the players but it fails them in knowing how finish (ie. what shots to take, who should be taking the shots during crunch time). This was my complaint all along. The logic of all cupcakes to gain confidence is a bad one. By that theory this team now has no confidence and is in BE play. The schedule backers simply looked at last years team which was in shambles because of JT3's coaching and made it out to be more than that. MIA JTIII & Waters. Simple.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Dec 28, 2017 10:53:55 GMT -5
Can't blame the coach for not having above average results from a below average team. Let's be realistic, we were picked to finish 9/10 for a reason. The team is playing much better than I expected and is fun to watch. Govan and Derrickson have flourished.
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