Bigs"R"Us
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Jan 18, 2018 9:59:09 GMT -5
Wait, we didn't land on the moon? I would add that the sheer volume of McClung footage is helpful. That said, we need to add some more quality guards. Kids that can make shots and are fundamentally sound.
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hoyazeke
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Post by hoyazeke on Jan 18, 2018 9:59:50 GMT -5
Don't take it the wrong way, but YouTube highlights tell you almost nothing about a player's skill level. YouTube highlights are very valuable, people underrate them - - if the YouTube highlights don't show someone using their off hand, they can't use their off hand - if the YouTube highlights only show dunks, that kid can't shoot - if the YouTube highlights only show threes, you should wonder about athleticism and the ability to penetrate - if the YouTube highlights don't show defense, you need to wonder if the kid can play defense - if the YouTube highlights don't show dribbling, you need to worry about handle I've watched enough youtube footage of McClung to know that : - he's got more athleticism than any guard we've had since *LJ Peak* - he can shoot from distance - gets good elevation on his jump, should be able to get his shot off at higher levels - he has decent handle - he's smart enough to know when not to challenge and to use the glass - has a decent midrange shot - can make a pass inside I don't understand what the problem people have with YouTube is here. It's not CGI, it's not a faked moon landing or some weird conspiracy, it's selective editing. If you approach the videos with a little bit of skepticism, you don't have to be a rocket scientist to make your own judgements. Watching these McClung videos is more fun than watching the team this year, some people are absolute masochists in dismissing the only fun thing going on in Hoya basketball. Fixed it for you.....😁
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TC
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Post by TC on Jan 18, 2018 10:12:18 GMT -5
I don't know in what world Peak wasn't a SF, but whatever.
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Post by hoopsmccan on Jan 18, 2018 10:46:21 GMT -5
I don't know in what world Peak wasn't a SF, but whatever. In a world where we consider Pickett and Johnson guards (otherwise known as a world I wish we didn't live in). hm
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BigmanU
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Post by BigmanU on Jan 18, 2018 10:58:35 GMT -5
I don't know in what world Peak wasn't a SF, but whatever. Peak was a true wing who played both SF/SG a lot. It actually just depended on the roster configuration.
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hoyazeke
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Post by hoyazeke on Jan 18, 2018 11:15:21 GMT -5
I don't know in what world Peak wasn't a SF, but whatever. Did you watch GTown? LJ played 1-3 for us. He is by definition a true combo guard (pg,sg,sf)...
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Post by Ranch Dressing on Jan 18, 2018 13:58:06 GMT -5
Totally agree, TC. Only thing I would add (something I said above) is that there is a huge volume of youtube material on Mac. We are seeing in-game highlights from almost every game. Skills and deficiencies will be apparent with the amount of content we are viewing.
Chris Lykes put together some impressive highlight reels as well. But those 20-30 top annual highlights were taken from across the entire season. Much more filtered (and I was "ga ga" over Lykes).
With Mac's highlights, we are seeing almost every scoring play he makes in each game.
I equate it more to watching game film on a player, rather than just a filtered highlight package produced by an older brother.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jan 18, 2018 15:07:23 GMT -5
Hoyatalk -- where not standing out in AAU your junior year summer dooms you but playing poorly in the Big East means you are Giannis Antetekounmpo.
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Post by lastmanstandig on Jan 18, 2018 17:29:24 GMT -5
-- We talked that Nova loss (sorry) and the symbolic importance of Mac McClung and lots more. Thanks.
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Post by dense on Jan 18, 2018 17:32:05 GMT -5
Hoyatalk -- where not standing out in AAU your junior year summer dooms you but playing poorly in the Big East means you are Giannis Antetekounmpo. Early post of the year candidate
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95hoya
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Post by 95hoya on Jan 18, 2018 17:42:09 GMT -5
YouTube highlights show made shots. That tells you nothing. You can't tell what kind of shooter McClung is from highlights. People looked at Pickett's highlights and had absurd expectations. Someone could shoot 8-25 in a game and you wouldn't know it.
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Bigs"R"Us
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Jan 18, 2018 19:07:21 GMT -5
You have to look at the finer points, i.e., elevation, range, spots on the floor, contested, off the dribble, step-back, etc. McClung's got a pretty good arsenal, plus grit. That said, he needs a partner in crime.
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Post by SaxaCD on Jan 18, 2018 21:02:11 GMT -5
You have to look at the finer points, i.e., elevation, range, spots on the floor, contested, off the dribble, step-back, etc. McClung's got a pretty good arsenal, plus grit. That said, he needs a partner in crime. Yep, absolutely. I think his attitude will be infectious, too, and with LeBlanc being relentless on the defensive end with a burgeoning offensive game, I think the team's demeanor is going to change completely. But you are right, he's a piece of the puzzle, not some kind of key to everything. We will lose Dickerson and Mulmore and add Malinowski, Grayson Carter, Mac LeBlanc (and Mourning). That looks to me to be a significant upgrade in talent level. The key will be the next year, replacing Govan, Derrickson, Mourning and Kaleb. Ewing and staff must not only recruit well, but get more talented guys than that group. That is how a team rebuilds, by upgrading the leaving parts every year. I think Mac is really a big part of the holistic rebuild process, as he has a bunch of tools and (this is overlooked by many) is a guy who didn't get serious about basketball until 7th grade. He comes from a family with multiple NCAA and professional athletes, and he is, by all accounts, a guy who not only likes a challenge, but loves to prove people wrong. I am intrigued to see what he can do against big-time players,so I hope he gets some invites to post-season All-Star games. But the coaches seem to want to build more than betting the farm on a quick fix, and I am more than ok with that.
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Post by zxhoya on Jan 18, 2018 21:10:10 GMT -5
YouTube highlights show made shots. That tells you nothing. You can't tell what kind of shooter McClung is from highlights. People looked at Pickett's highlights and had absurd expectations. Someone could shoot 8-25 in a game and you wouldn't know it. I agree with this @95. YouTube can be used as a tool for us fans to get a sense of a player's abilities but there is so much more to being a good player than th shots he/she makes in edited video clips. I just recently watched a couple of the AAU games (Mac with Team Loaded VA) and although I was impressed with Mac in those games I think it gives more of truer sense of his game. Playing with and against better talent he shows he's definitely talented and he belongs but there was a level of timidness in that environment whereas the other guards where very aggressive, the way Mac plays in high school. I truly believe there will be a period of time that Mac will need to acclimate himself to the level of competition that high Div 1 provides. Confidence is everything for athletes and that's what I didn't really see in those AAU games, albeit a small sample size.
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Post by beenaround on Jan 18, 2018 22:05:43 GMT -5
YouTube highlights show made shots. That tells you nothing. You can't tell what kind of shooter McClung is from highlights. People looked at Pickett's highlights and had absurd expectations. Someone could shoot 8-25 in a game and you wouldn't know it. A high volume of highlights of many plays in each game do tell us SOMETHING. They do not tell a full story, and there will be weaknesses that do not show up. That said..the kid has a lot of skill and physical abilities, including hops. Based on Youtube, Mac would be a McD AA. He is not...but I guess I am an idiot, because I'm quite excited to see him next year.
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Post by SaxaCD on Jan 18, 2018 23:33:38 GMT -5
YouTube highlights show made shots. That tells you nothing. You can't tell what kind of shooter McClung is from highlights. People looked at Pickett's highlights and had absurd expectations. Someone could shoot 8-25 in a game and you wouldn't know it. People got high on Pickett's "star rating" a lot more than his highlights from what I recall (although I still think he will be a player with more strength and confidence).
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TC
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Post by TC on Jan 18, 2018 23:45:29 GMT -5
YouTube highlights show made shots. That tells you nothing. You can't tell what kind of shooter McClung is from highlights. People looked at Pickett's highlights and had absurd expectations. Someone could shoot 8-25 in a game and you wouldn't know it. People got high on Pickett's "star rating" a lot more than his highlights from what I recall (although I still think he will be a player with more strength and confidence). This. Here's the Pickett thread : hoyatalk2.proboards.com/thread/30413/jamorko-pickett-hoyaLotta people getting hyped about one line about him hitting 39% in AAU from three (how's that translating out so far?), not a lot of video excitement.
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Post by dense on Jan 19, 2018 0:58:53 GMT -5
YouTube highlights show made shots. That tells you nothing. You can't tell what kind of shooter McClung is from highlights. People looked at Pickett's highlights and had absurd expectations. Someone could shoot 8-25 in a game and you wouldn't know it. I agree with this @95. YouTube can be used as a tool for us fans to get a sense of a player's abilities but there is so much more to being a good player than th shots he/she makes in edited video clips. I just recently watched a couple of the AAU games (Mac with Team Loaded VA) and although I was impressed with Mac in those games I think it gives more of truer sense of his game. Playing with and against better talent he shows he's definitely talented and he belongs but there was a level of timidness in that environment whereas the other guards where very aggressive, the way Mac plays in high school. I truly believe there will be a period of time that Mac will need to acclimate himself to the level of competition that high Div 1 provides. Confidence is everything for athletes and that's what I didn't really see in those AAU games, albeit a small sample size. Agree with this. He didnt look out of place just not the same player. I am hoping that it was just trying to blend with talent. Not wanting to rock the boat.
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Post by 95hoya on Jan 19, 2018 1:27:01 GMT -5
You have to look at the finer points, i.e., elevation, range, spots on the floor, contested, off the dribble, step-back, etc. McClung's got a pretty good arsenal, plus grit. That said, he needs a partner in crime. Players are able to do things and try things against weaker competition because they can get away with. Those things you saw are not things he will be doing against better competition. Like someone else said, he was a different type of player in AAU. The physical tools are good. I think he really needs to work on his ball handling and spot up shooting. I think he's a secondary playmaker like Jagan is, but might be forced into primary duties before he's ready.
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Post by beenaround on Jan 19, 2018 10:41:22 GMT -5
95hoya, I understand that you do not think Mac will make as big a splash as many of us are hoping for as a freshman. My question is..are you glad we signed him or not?
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