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Post by sleepy on Jan 4, 2019 12:45:52 GMT -5
You can play Malinowski and McClung as wings in a shorter set. Give up some defense for offense. LaBlanc can help. You can also play Mclung as point and Greg as a shooting guard. Or play a real small line-up and play him at the 4 with Akinjo, McClung, Blair and Govan and really pull defenses out. The combinations and playing time will be dictated by match-ups and who is playing well in the moment. This whole conversation and hand wringing about starters is ridiculous.
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Post by HometownHoya on Jan 4, 2019 12:50:14 GMT -5
I've never said 30+ for Greg too. I want him starting but unless he's hot like against Butler, he should be in the 20-25min range at both the 2/3. Play the hot hand. Curious on the rationale of more minutes for Mac than Greg. Greg is a better passer, better defender, better rebounder, has much more experience and is incredibly efficient. We have to develop Mac but not at the expense of the season. When Greg is on the court teams will have to account for him as a shooter, even if he is off during a given game. It opens up the floor and makes the offense more effective. I love the starting 5 from the last game because with the exception of Leblanc, everyone can hit the three. Switch Mac for Greg and teams can collapse, block lanes, etc. Mac is a better creator and facilitator. While Greg looked good at the 2, his advantages are not as clear at the 3 when matched with similarly sized and skilled players. Both are very key to the season but the future is the key for the program. As I said in the post you quoted, play the hot hand. I won't complain if there are games that Greg gets more minutes then Mac but overall Mac's skills are useful across more line-ups. Again, my argument is for the starting line-up and is focused on shoring up the line-up that plays mid-way through the 1st half when the starters are resting. In crunch time, both Mac and Greg should be on the court if they are playing well that day.
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Post by EtomicB on Jan 4, 2019 12:54:34 GMT -5
You can play Malinowski and McClung as wings in a shorter set. Give up some defense for offense. LaBlanc can help. You can also play Mclung as point and Greg as a shooting guard. Or play a real small line-up and play him at the 4 with Akinjo, McClung, Blair and Govan and really pull defenses out. The combinations and playing time will be dictated by match-ups and who is playing well in the moment. This whole conversation and hand wringing about starters is ridiculous. Exactly, so you're good with the starting line-up staying the same as the past 2 games and finding ways to get Mac a lot of time off the bench?
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Post by EtomicB on Jan 4, 2019 12:56:51 GMT -5
Why is there a debate about Greg vs Mac? They don't even play the same position. Mac is a 1/2 Hybrid and Greg is a 2/3 Hybrid. They overlap a little at the two position but only in games where we want to play big and and Akinjo is having a great game should there be a choice between one and the other. Otherwise there shouldn't be an issue. How I'd want minutes distributed: 1: Akinjo (25) Mac (15) 2: Mac (15) Akinjo (5) Greg (10) Blair (5) Mosley (5) 3: Pickett (15) Greg (10) Mosley (5) Blair (10) 4: Leblanc (25) Pickett (5) Greg (5) 5: Govan (30) Leblanc (5)Carter/Mourning (5) Based on foul trouble/fatigue we can work Mourning and or Carter in a little more but ideal scenerio is above. No Kaleb at all?
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Post by sleepy on Jan 4, 2019 13:06:37 GMT -5
You can also play Mclung as point and Greg as a shooting guard. Or play a real small line-up and play him at the 4 with Akinjo, McClung, Blair and Govan and really pull defenses out. The combinations and playing time will be dictated by match-ups and who is playing well in the moment. This whole conversation and hand wringing about starters is ridiculous. Exactly, so you're good with the starting line-up staying the same as the past 2 games and finding ways to get Mac a lot of time off the bench? Frankly my dear, I don't give a damn. Yes, I'd be fine with it. I could care less if we started Jaden, Carter, Mosley, Picket and Govan for goodness sake. If Mac starts great. If Greg starts, great. If Mourning starts, great. I'm not arguing against anyone starting or not starting, but the idea that it matters in the first place. The only thing I think matters is consistency, as players need to mentally adjust to when they enter the game. So just pick a damn starting line-up and keep it and adjust when the bench comes in accordingly. That being said, if I were Ewing, I would probably keep Mourning and Mac in the starting line-up and give them chances to win back their starting spots, as I don't think it sets great precedence losing starting spot after an injury and reshuffling it constantly when a player plays well in their place. Especially when he has used it as a disciplinary tactic before. The starting line up really doesn't matter so its a waste of time to tinker with it. Let players adjust to when they play, some players play better starting, some play better coming off the bench.
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Post by sleepy on Jan 4, 2019 13:07:10 GMT -5
Exactly, so you're good with the starting line-up staying the same as the past 2 games and finding ways to get Mac a lot of time off the bench? Frankly my dear, I don't give a damn. Yes, I'd be fine with it. I could care less if we started Jaden, Carter, Mosley, Picket and Govan for goodness sake. If Mac starts great. If Greg starts, great. If Mourning starts, great. I'm not arguing against anyone starting or not starting, but the idea that it matters in the first place. The only thing I think matters is consistency, as players need to mentally adjust to when they enter the game. So just pick a damn starting line-up and keep it and adjust when the bench comes in accordingly. That being said, if I were Ewing, I would probably keep Mourning and Mac in the starting line-up and give them chances to win back their starting spots, as I don't think it sets great precedence losing starting spot after an injury and reshuffling it constantly when a player plays well in their place. Especially when he has used it as a disciplinary tactic before. The starting line up really doesn't matter so its a waste of time to tinker with it. Let players adjust to when they play, some players play better starting, some play better coming off the bench. Nope. He can come in if there is foul trouble of some sort.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jan 4, 2019 16:32:27 GMT -5
That being said, if I were Ewing, I would probably keep Mourning and Mac in the starting line-up and give them chances to win back their starting spots, as I don't think it sets great precedence losing starting spot after an injury and reshuffling it constantly when a player plays well in their place. Especially when he has used it as a disciplinary tactic before. The starting line up really doesn't matter so its a waste of time to tinker with it. Let players adjust to when they play, some players play better starting, some play better coming off the bench. Mourning should have lost his starting spot well before the injury. LeBlanc is a better player than Mourning by a significant margin, he's also worked hard, and he deserves it. It doesn't set a good precedent for recruits to see a freshman who, one could argue is the best player on the team, sit because a legacy kid is starting over him for no reason based on on-the-court performance. That's the real problem with his starting. While I do think people focus too much on starting lineups, I think it's relevant in the sense that Ewing does not typically have a quick hand in pulling people out of the game. Barring foul trouble or other odd factors, the starters generally play until the first media timeout, and sometimes beyond. In the case of Mourning, for example, that matters a lot, because he's playing significant minutes when you are trying to set the tone. You are essentially starting the game by handicapping yourself with a better player on the bench. It makes no sense. If Mourning is only going to play 5-7 minutes a game, he can't start because starting means he will play more than that. For all the talk about McClung and Akinjo, LeBlanc is very much part of our future too, whereas Mourning is not. So not only is LeBlanc head and shoulders better than Mourning, but he will also be around way longer, and have a large impact on the future of the program. I realize this comes across harsh on Mourning, and it's not intended that way at all. It just frustrates me that until his injury, we persisted in starting somebody that simply doesn't deserve the type of minutes he is routinely getting given how much of a liability he is on both ends of the floor.
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Post by jwp91 on Jan 4, 2019 16:35:37 GMT -5
I think Leblanc taking that spot is almost a foregone conclusion.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Jan 4, 2019 17:28:11 GMT -5
I expect LaBlanc to keep his starting role. Josh has proven himself and the games matter now. Not sure about Malinowski though. I would not start McClung again until he’s 100%. His game depends on explosiveness. Greg over Pickett intrigues.
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Post by EtomicB on Jan 4, 2019 17:55:08 GMT -5
Exactly, so you're good with the starting line-up staying the same as the past 2 games and finding ways to get Mac a lot of time off the bench? Frankly my dear, I don't give a damn. Yes, I'd be fine with it. I could care less if we started Jaden, Carter, Mosley, Picket and Govan for goodness sake. If Mac starts great. If Greg starts, great. If Mourning starts, great. I'm not arguing against anyone starting or not starting, but the idea that it matters in the first place. The only thing I think matters is consistency, as players need to mentally adjust to when they enter the game. So just pick a damn starting line-up and keep it and adjust when the bench comes in accordingly. That being said, if I were Ewing, I would probably keep Mourning and Mac in the starting line-up and give them chances to win back their starting spots, as I don't think it sets great precedence losing starting spot after an injury and reshuffling it constantly when a player plays well in their place. Especially when he has used it as a disciplinary tactic before. The starting line up really doesn't matter so its a waste of time to tinker with it. Let players adjust to when they play, some players play better starting, some play better coming off the bench. Hmmm, not to sure how I feel about you calling me dear... I know it's hyperbole but you'd wonder what's up if Jaden Robinson or even Kaleb Johnson started so you have to admit it matters in many ways... Consistency for players is ok but player cohesiveness matters more in my view, I just want groups on the floor that work well together as much as possible... I definitely disagree on going back to Mourning over LeBlanc, that can't happen imo
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Post by blueandgray on Jan 4, 2019 18:02:47 GMT -5
Curious on the rationale of more minutes for Mac than Greg. Greg is a better passer, better defender, better rebounder, has much more experience and is incredibly efficient. We have to develop Mac but not at the expense of the season. When Greg is on the court teams will have to account for him as a shooter, even if he is off during a given game. It opens up the floor and makes the offense more effective. I love the starting 5 from the last game because with the exception of Leblanc, everyone can hit the three. Switch Mac for Greg and teams can collapse, block lanes, etc. Mac is a better creator and facilitator. While Greg looked good at the 2, his advantages are not as clear at the 3 when matched with similarly sized and skilled players. Both are very key to the season but the future is the key for the program. As I said in the post you quoted, play the hot hand. I won't complain if there are games that Greg gets more minutes then Mac but overall Mac's skills are useful across more line-ups. Again, my argument is for the starting line-up and is focused on shoring up the line-up that plays mid-way through the 1st half when the starters are resting. In crunch time, both Mac and Greg should be on the court if they are playing well that day. Mac is a better facilitator? I always though that the ball kinda stops when it gets into Mac’s hands...and he’s never led the team in assists as Greg just did.
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Post by MCIGuy on Jan 4, 2019 18:28:22 GMT -5
Mac is a better creator and facilitator. While Greg looked good at the 2, his advantages are not as clear at the 3 when matched with similarly sized and skilled players. Both are very key to the season but the future is the key for the program. As I said in the post you quoted, play the hot hand. I won't complain if there are games that Greg gets more minutes then Mac but overall Mac's skills are useful across more line-ups. Again, my argument is for the starting line-up and is focused on shoring up the line-up that plays mid-way through the 1st half when the starters are resting. In crunch time, both Mac and Greg should be on the court if they are playing well that day. Mac is a better facilitator? I always though that the ball kinda stops when it gets into Mac’s hands...and he’s never led the team in assists as Greg just did. No, it doesn't stop in his hands. That would suggest he's a chucker of some sorts. He simply isn't as good at creating at this stage. Heck, Greg gives up the ball quicker than James too but James has a way of using clock and dribble to set up someone for a bucket. Mac isn't at that stage yet, particularly in the halfcourt. Once the ball is in his hands he'll either drive, take a shot or pass it out/around quickly to the nearest teammate.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Jan 4, 2019 18:30:22 GMT -5
Greg had a terrific game. Not sure how repeatable it is. Interested to see if it carries forward. Malinowski is a solid shooter, but can’t penetrate and finish like the Macster.
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Post by ewingitrust on Jan 4, 2019 19:50:28 GMT -5
If Mac's not 100% healthy. I would advise sitting him out. Greg's proven his worth. Ride the hot hand. It helps our offensive attack and Greg rebounds.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jan 4, 2019 20:51:06 GMT -5
You can also play Mclung as point and Greg as a shooting guard. Or play a real small line-up and play him at the 4 with Akinjo, McClung, Blair and Govan and really pull defenses out. The combinations and playing time will be dictated by match-ups and who is playing well in the moment. This whole conversation and hand wringing about starters is ridiculous. Exactly, so you're good with the starting line-up staying the same as the past 2 games and finding ways to get Mac a lot of time off the bench? I wouldn't care as long as Mac got a good amount of time. I think we should stagger them to some respect; we should aim to have one on the court at most or all times. But I don't at all agree with the oft-recommended action of never having them play together -- these guys are very talented and can be beasts this year; much less in future years. They need to learn to play together and constantly calling for Mac to get less time or never be on the court with Akinjo is incredibly short sighted, and I don't mean three years from now. And that's at the core of my disagreement with you, I think (and everyone who simply hasn't hated Mac from day 1). I simply don't agree with trying to optimize for the in game results against creampuffs. Mac and Akinjo have skillsets we will need in Big East play, because we aren't always going to have a guy hitting 7-8 from on step backs. They've both been improving immensely over the season. Setting the lineup and PT to optimize margin of victory versus Appalachian State doesn't accomplish any real goals except make people feel good. For all the complaining about Mac's bad shots or Akinjo's ball-pounding ... you really can't attribute a single loss to it. The entire team the bed against LMU. Akinjo didn't play well versus Cuse, but we lost with bad transition D and some bad decisions down the stretch as the skillset we needed from Akinjo and Mac sat on the bench. Bad defense (again) and lackluster shooting killed us versus SMU -- Akinjo and Mac had two of the better games. In fact, since Greg had a pretty terrible game versus SMU, he's probably contributed more to our losses than the frosh, or certainly more than Mac. This isn't a finished product, and it certainly wasn't back in November. The idea that you should be optimizing at that point and not **developing** isn't a good idea because the optimized November Georgetown Hoyas aren't a tourney team. I'm glad we're 1-0 in the Big Easy, but if our long term gameplan is hope Greg shoots 7-8 from 3 every game, it's not a plan that is going to work. So play Mac and Akinjo, and play them together. We're in BE play now, so if their screwups are intolerable, pull them. Play Greg, and if he's shooting that well, play him a ton. But deciding minutes and lineups right now based on Mac's full year stats -- ignoring that he's already a different, better player now than in early November, and ignoring his skillset or basing them on another player's stats right after a game that might end up being a career highlight -- is silly. Ewing has the ability to play guys and watch them in game. He can make adjustments. And now that we are in Big East play, the hook needs to be quicker. But it didn't need to be that quick against Campbell or Richmond. And I think people need to stop looking at Mac through a lens of only negatives and they need to stop attributing everything positive to half of a lineup change. Yes, Greg started, but we also had more minute for LeBlanc over Mourning, we saw Blair hitting shots and playing well, and we saw Pickett and Govan absolutely bring it on defense. I know people want to attribute that all to the change at SG ... but a lot of things changed.
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Post by EtomicB on Jan 5, 2019 1:37:00 GMT -5
Exactly, so you're good with the starting line-up staying the same as the past 2 games and finding ways to get Mac a lot of time off the bench? I wouldn't care as long as Mac got a good amount of time. I think we should stagger them to some respect; we should aim to have one on the court at most or all times. But I don't at all agree with the oft-recommended action of never having them play together -- these guys are very talented and can be beasts this year; much less in future years. They need to learn to play together and constantly calling for Mac to get less time or never be on the court with Akinjo is incredibly short sighted, and I don't mean three years from now. And that's at the core of my disagreement with you, I think (and everyone who simply hasn't hated Mac from day 1). I simply don't agree with trying to optimize for the in game results against creampuffs. Mac and Akinjo have skillsets we will need in Big East play, because we aren't always going to have a guy hitting 7-8 from on step backs. They've both been improving immensely over the season. Setting the lineup and PT to optimize margin of victory versus Appalachian State doesn't accomplish any real goals except make people feel good. For all the complaining about Mac's bad shots or Akinjo's ball-pounding ... you really can't attribute a single loss to it. The entire team the bed against LMU. Akinjo didn't play well versus Cuse, but we lost with bad transition D and some bad decisions down the stretch as the skillset we needed from Akinjo and Mac sat on the bench. Bad defense (again) and lackluster shooting killed us versus SMU -- Akinjo and Mac had two of the better games. In fact, since Greg had a pretty terrible game versus SMU, he's probably contributed more to our losses than the frosh, or certainly more than Mac. This isn't a finished product, and it certainly wasn't back in November. The idea that you should be optimizing at that point and not **developing** isn't a good idea because the optimized November Georgetown Hoyas aren't a tourney team. I'm glad we're 1-0 in the Big Easy, but if our long term gameplan is hope Greg shoots 7-8 from 3 every game, it's not a plan that is going to work. So play Mac and Akinjo, and play them together. We're in BE play now, so if their screwups are intolerable, pull them. Play Greg, and if he's shooting that well, play him a ton. But deciding minutes and lineups right now based on Mac's full year stats -- ignoring that he's already a different, better player now than in early November, and ignoring his skillset or basing them on another player's stats right after a game that might end up being a career highlight -- is silly. Ewing has the ability to play guys and watch them in game. He can make adjustments. And now that we are in Big East play, the hook needs to be quicker. But it didn't need to be that quick against Campbell or Richmond. And I think people need to stop looking at Mac through a lens of only negatives and they need to stop attributing everything positive to half of a lineup change. Yes, Greg started, but we also had more minute for LeBlanc over Mourning, we saw Blair hitting shots and playing well, and we saw Pickett and Govan absolutely bring it on defense. I know people want to attribute that all to the change at SG ... but a lot of things changed. I've never called for Akinjo & Mac to never play together, I do agree that it should be limited right now but there's a big difference between "limited" and "never"... Not to speak for anyone else but I don't recall anyone calling for zero time together either.. It's not that they need to learn to play together in my view, that's easy, it's that they still need time to learn/adjust to the college game. To me, it's tough on the team to have two players going thru the process at the same time, especially when both players are aggressive guards who are used to having the ball in their hands a lot... I get the point on the long-term and I thought the same way until I saw the Howard & Butler games and now I'm thinking, why can't the team play for both? Have both Mac & Akino made strides this season? absolutely, no doubt about it. Be honest though, after the LR game when they both went off how much progress did you think the team as a whole had made in the first 13 games of the season? The Howard game was a turning point in my eyes... If you're looking at the Butler game thru a "Greg" was hot glasses, then you're missing the bigger picture, GM wasn't hot against Howard but it was the best the team had looked all season... That play carried into a road game against a tougher opponent, right? Forget how well Greg shot, the team got very good looks for the 1st 35 minutes of the game, it wasn't just a hot Greg that produced the good results... The team also played pretty well defensively also, save for the 14 points given up in the last 2:30 minutes... For the bolded part check my post on page 4 of the Line-ups thread... hoyatalk2.proboards.com/thread/31216/lineups-2018-2019?page=4Believe me, I want Mac to get the 25+ minutes he averages now, he's a very big part of the team...
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jan 5, 2019 12:26:08 GMT -5
Quick reply ... I think the largest improvement against Howard and Butler was on the defensive end and the effort exhibited. So while I can see what you mean about improved ball movement, I don't think that's been the most significant improvement for the team as it has looked better (even accounting for Howard's terribleness). Not having Mac isn't even the most significant player change -- Mourning being out has affected more IMO. We'll likely have to disagree on the above. As for long term, while there are some posters who view long term as the following years, my focus would still be on this year. The thing is, I don't think this team can make the tourney without Akinjo and/or Mac making huge strides from the start of the season. So I never could agree with trying to maximize margin of victory against Campbell over playing time for either of them. As we get into Big East, we need to prioritize winning more. Unlike some, I don't necessarily think that means playing Mac and Akinjo less. And it certainly doesn't mean pulling them immediately after every mistake. But if they are having a terrible game, not playing to the game or if someone else is playing really well, sure, at this point, I'm fine cutting back on some developmental minutes. But it'd be a huge mistake to go think that we're going to go through the Big East and have a tourney caliber team with a Mosely-Malinowksi backcourt, especially with Pickett's offensive struggles.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2019 12:23:46 GMT -5
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Jan 7, 2019 13:35:31 GMT -5
Very nice.
You could have made some money in October betting that Greg would make the conference honor roll this season!
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Post by practice on Jan 7, 2019 13:40:51 GMT -5
I apologize if this has already been discussed/determined, but does Greg have one more year of eligibility? Could he be a grad student/player next year? Thanks.
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